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Post by jay38a on Feb 5, 2018 22:08:37 GMT
The 358 always seems to have a full allocation of Citaros every day, but very occasionally sees Enviro 200s (the 126/284 ones). I think the fact that the Citaro's can't be used on any other route is the key factor here, there are 19 Citaro's for a PVR of 17 so at least three would have to be VOR for an oddity to appear on the 358, To be picky they could be used on the 126, 246 and R9 too, just they are not blinded. I know they were actually going to be ordered with these on the blinds but the then EM ordered them with just 358 and 293!!!!. He was the EM at BE before and now at C, so you can see the resemblance of blind issues!!!!! |
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Post by sid on Feb 5, 2018 22:19:59 GMT
I think the fact that the Citaro's can't be used on any other route is the key factor here, there are 19 Citaro's for a PVR of 17 so at least three would have to be VOR for an oddity to appear on the 358, To be picky they could be used on the 126, 246 and R9 too, just they are not blinded. I know they were actually going to be ordered with these on the blinds but the then EM ordered them with just 358 and 293!!!!. He was the EM at BE before and now at C, so you can see the resemblance of blind issues!!!!! Fair enough I'm happy to be corrected, I did wonder about the R9 but I assumed they would have made the odd appearance by now with or without blinds. |
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Post by YY13VKP on Feb 5, 2018 23:56:21 GMT
I think the fact that the Citaro's can't be used on any other route is the key factor here, there are 19 Citaro's for a PVR of 17 so at least three would have to be VOR for an oddity to appear on the 358, To be picky they could be used on the 126, 246 and R9 too, just they are not blinded. I know they were actually going to be ordered with these on the blinds but the then EM ordered them with just 358 and 293!!!!. He was the EM at BE before and now at C, so you can see the resemblance of blind issues!!!!! I’ve worked with said EM whilst at C, and I remember him saying something about wanting to go back to the Metrobus days with future blinds, when every single route the garage had were on the blinds. The X26 buses only have 293, 405 and X26 on its blindset, but he has overseen the WHV blind change which include a few more routes than they originally had, the 355 and X26 the additions. I haven’t had the chance to go through a WS blindset fully but I believe the blinds contain all single deck routes at C plus the 293. I hope the new blindset that’s due to be fitted on the 434 buses when they are refurbished are blinds that contain all the garage routes, especially since they’ve been straying on double deck routes recently, boy how id love to get one of those blinded for the X26  If the LCD blinds rumoured for the H2/H3 Buses are true, then that’ll solve the whole debate about blinds, especially if these blinds are included on all future vehicles and retrofitted on the existing fleet. But TfL are cash strapped at the moment so I don’t see it happening |
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Post by sid on Feb 6, 2018 6:44:53 GMT
To be picky they could be used on the 126, 246 and R9 too, just they are not blinded. I know they were actually going to be ordered with these on the blinds but the then EM ordered them with just 358 and 293!!!!. He was the EM at BE before and now at C, so you can see the resemblance of blind issues!!!!! I’ve worked with said EM whilst at C, and I remember him saying something about wanting to go back to the Metrobus days with future blinds, when every single route the garage had were on the blinds. The X26 buses only have 293, 405 and X26 on its blindset, but he has overseen the WHV blind change which include a few more routes than they originally had, the 355 and X26 the additions. I haven’t had the chance to go through a WS blindset fully but I believe the blinds contain all single deck routes at C plus the 293. I hope the new blindset that’s due to be fitted on the 434 buses when they are refurbished are blinds that contain all the garage routes, especially since they’ve been straying on double deck routes recently, boy how id love to get one of those blinded for the X26 If the LCD blinds rumoured for the H2/H3 Buses are true, then that’ll solve the whole debate about blinds, especially if these blinds are included on all future vehicles and retrofitted on the existing fleet. But TfL are cash strapped at the moment so I don’t see it happening TfL being strapped for cash is all the more reason to do just that, greatly reduces operating costs. |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Feb 6, 2018 9:12:26 GMT
More that I've thought of:
D3, 323 and 549 of WH all with pretty much the same E200s
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Post by YY13VKP on Feb 6, 2018 11:26:43 GMT
I’ve worked with said EM whilst at C, and I remember him saying something about wanting to go back to the Metrobus days with future blinds, when every single route the garage had were on the blinds. The X26 buses only have 293, 405 and X26 on its blindset, but he has overseen the WHV blind change which include a few more routes than they originally had, the 355 and X26 the additions. I haven’t had the chance to go through a WS blindset fully but I believe the blinds contain all single deck routes at C plus the 293. I hope the new blindset that’s due to be fitted on the 434 buses when they are refurbished are blinds that contain all the garage routes, especially since they’ve been straying on double deck routes recently, boy how id love to get one of those blinded for the X26 If the LCD blinds rumoured for the H2/H3 Buses are true, then that’ll solve the whole debate about blinds, especially if these blinds are included on all future vehicles and retrofitted on the existing fleet. But TfL are cash strapped at the moment so I don’t see it happening TfL being strapped for cash is all the more reason to do just that, greatly reduces operating costs. Wouldn't it cost them a lot to retrofit the technology on more than 2,000 buses across London? |
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Post by sid on Feb 6, 2018 12:01:19 GMT
TfL being strapped for cash is all the more reason to do just that, greatly reduces operating costs. Wouldn't it cost them a lot to retrofit the technology on more than 2,000 buses across London? Probably worthwhile retro fitting newer buses? It's also worth bearing in mind that almost all ex London buses operating elsewhere have been retrofitted. |
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Post by NWBusConnoisseur on Feb 6, 2018 20:28:12 GMT
H2 and H3 only use Optare Solos. I have never seen anything else on the round since Arriva took over in 2006.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 6, 2018 20:29:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 20:37:40 GMT
147 is pretty strict with its E400s (I know it does see a few VWLs and Hybrids but still rare).
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Post by YY13VKP on Feb 6, 2018 20:37:59 GMT
Does the 343 count? Easy there, the route's only been with Go-Ahead for 4 days now |
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Post by galwhv69 on Feb 6, 2018 21:30:16 GMT
Does the 343 count? Easy there, the route's only been with Go-Ahead for 4 days now Wasn't Why7 on the route? (I know the bus was actually eh185 that was "withdrawn") |
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Post by rugbyref on Feb 7, 2018 9:10:10 GMT
Must be the only buses from MB not to have appeared on R9!
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 4, 2018 10:54:12 GMT
The 227 nearly follows its allocation with occasional e200's about
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Post by busaholic on Mar 4, 2018 21:58:53 GMT
To be picky they could be used on the 126, 246 and R9 too, just they are not blinded. I know they were actually going to be ordered with these on the blinds but the then EM ordered them with just 358 and 293!!!!. He was the EM at BE before and now at C, so you can see the resemblance of blind issues!!!!! I’ve worked with said EM whilst at C, and I remember him saying something about wanting to go back to the Metrobus days with future blinds, when every single route the garage had were on the blinds. The X26 buses only have 293, 405 and X26 on its blindset, but he has overseen the WHV blind change which include a few more routes than they originally had, the 355 and X26 the additions. I haven’t had the chance to go through a WS blindset fully but I believe the blinds contain all single deck routes at C plus the 293. I hope the new blindset that’s due to be fitted on the 434 buses when they are refurbished are blinds that contain all the garage routes, especially since they’ve been straying on double deck routes recently, boy how id love to get one of those blinded for the X26 If the LCD blinds rumoured for the H2/H3 Buses are true, then that’ll solve the whole debate about blinds, especially if these blinds are included on all future vehicles and retrofitted on the existing fleet. But TfL are cash strapped at the moment so I don’t see it happening I live in LCD land and they are not the panacea that many see them as, especially with so much evening and night operation. There were very good reasons why 'traditional' blinds were retained by TfL and Lothian, decided by people who knew a thing or two about bus operation and were persuasive enough to successfully transmit these reasons to the pursestring holders. Sadly, the professionals have gone and we're left with the beancounters, plus the people who'd be as happy selling baked beans if the salary was as good. Route changes don't come thick and fast these days, nor are 'via' blinds used, in which case I'd be more prepared to consider LCD, but even with their 'issues' I believe the current sort of blinds should be kept. |
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