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Post by snowman on Nov 8, 2018 6:58:44 GMT
Just been re-reading this and proposed implementation date is Autumn 2018 for shortening 27 consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-27-and-440/I wonder if this is delaying the bus changes document as 10 is proposed to end, freeing LT buses to 27, but unless 27 is shortened not really enough buses to take over 100% (of course could operate a mix for a while). Should really announce any consultation update before it appears as going ahead in fortnightly bus changes document
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 8, 2018 17:39:30 GMT
Just been re-reading this and proposed implementation date is Autumn 2018 for shortening 27 consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-27-and-440/I wonder if this is delaying the bus changes document as 10 is proposed to end, freeing LT buses to 27, but unless 27 is shortened not really enough buses to take over 100% (of course could operate a mix for a while). Should really announce any consultation update before it appears as going ahead in fortnightly bus changes document The only issue is whether or not the Chiswick Park terminus can accommodate LTs.
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Post by aaron1 on Nov 8, 2018 22:51:58 GMT
The 440 Extended from Stonebridge Park to Wembley Arena is on 25 May 2019
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 14, 2018 16:42:00 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 14, 2018 16:48:14 GMT
Does that mean the 27 will still serve King Street before standing?
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Post by LX09FBJ on Nov 14, 2018 17:25:21 GMT
... Of the 604 public responses, nine per cent supported or strongly supported the proposed changes to route 27, three per cent neither supported nor opposed them, 72 per cent opposed or strongly opposed them, three per cent did not use the route and 13 per cent did not answer. ... We have reviewed all of the consultation responses and intend to proceed with the scheme as proposed in early 2019 with one alteration: instead of terminating at Hammersmith Grove, route 27 would terminate at a bus stand on Glenthorne Road currently used by rail replacement buses. The last and first stops would be at this location instead of at Hammersmith Grove. This is because the Hammersmith Grove stand has been removed as part of a local urban realm scheme. ... Wow, just wow. TfL continue to shoot themselves in both feet again. So a large majority of people oppose this change? Well their options mean nowt so we’re going to do it regardless. This is why I don’t even bother with consultations as TfL will go ahead, irrelevant to what the travelling public actually thinks. It’s merely something to allow TfL to say “we consulted this change” to hush critics. Once someone at TfL actually bothers to listen to what people actually say then the bus network can actually start improving. I’m ashamed to say I voted for Khan’t in 2016 but with the power of hindsight I wouldn’t have not bothered.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 14, 2018 17:31:46 GMT
Sadly the writing was on the wall with this one as soon as tfl (whether skewed or not) revealed how many extra bph they were running along Chiswick High Road which were not needed.
I do think the affection for the 27 probably came from the fact it's a long standing route in the area.
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Post by busman on Nov 14, 2018 17:35:05 GMT
So 72% of users were opposed or strongly opposed to the changes on the 27, yet TfL decide to move ahead. This is exactly why I don’t take part in these faux consultations.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 17:48:15 GMT
Sorry I must be confused, I thought TfL wanted to INCREASE bus ridership ...
Some of the commonly raised issues are actually quite good, and some of the TfL responses to issues raised are actually laughable.
It has been said before and will be said again, TfL consultations are as useful as a chocolate teapot and are already confirmed before they go public. They are a clear as day tick box exercise. I long for the day of transparency and honesty from this organisation, but I'm more likely to live until the age of 200.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 14, 2018 17:50:22 GMT
So 72% of users were opposed or strongly opposed to the changes on the 27, yet TfL decide to move ahead. This is exactly why I don’t take part in these faux consultations. They listened and ammended it! 😂🤣
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 14, 2018 17:54:27 GMT
... Of the 604 public responses, nine per cent supported or strongly supported the proposed changes to route 27, three per cent neither supported nor opposed them, 72 per cent opposed or strongly opposed them, three per cent did not use the route and 13 per cent did not answer. ... We have reviewed all of the consultation responses and intend to proceed with the scheme as proposed in early 2019 with one alteration: instead of terminating at Hammersmith Grove, route 27 would terminate at a bus stand on Glenthorne Road currently used by rail replacement buses. The last and first stops would be at this location instead of at Hammersmith Grove. This is because the Hammersmith Grove stand has been removed as part of a local urban realm scheme. ... Wow, just wow. TfL continue to shoot themselves in both feet again. So a large majority of people oppose this change? Well their options mean nowt so we’re going to do it regardless. This is why I don’t even bother with consultations as TfL will go ahead, irrelevant to what the travelling public actually thinks. It’s merely something to allow TfL to say “we consulted this change” to hush critics. Once someone at TfL actually bothers to listen to what people actually say then the bus network can actually start improving. I’m ashamed to say I voted for Khan’t in 2016 but with the power of hindsight I wouldn’t have not bothered. But that is to be expected .... people will generally oppose reductions and agree with increases .... but to get the feeling a consultation exercise is now pretty pointless ... they might as just well tell the public what the proposals are that ARE going to happen and not give option to provide feedback.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 17:58:34 GMT
So 72% of users were opposed or strongly opposed to the changes on the 27, yet TfL decide to move ahead. This is exactly why I don’t take part in these faux consultations. They listened and ammended it! 😂🤣 I wouldn't quite say that. They amended it because the original stand they proposed to use is now unavailable.
This must surely become the route with the shortest difference between day and night sections, no?
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Post by sid on Nov 15, 2018 11:44:42 GMT
Wow, just wow. TfL continue to shoot themselves in both feet again. So a large majority of people oppose this change? Well their options mean nowt so we’re going to do it regardless. This is why I don’t even bother with consultations as TfL will go ahead, irrelevant to what the travelling public actually thinks. It’s merely something to allow TfL to say “we consulted this change” to hush critics. Once someone at TfL actually bothers to listen to what people actually say then the bus network can actually start improving. I’m ashamed to say I voted for Khan’t in 2016 but with the power of hindsight I wouldn’t have not bothered. But that is to be expected .... people will generally oppose reductions and agree with increases .... but to get the feeling a consultation exercise is now pretty pointless ... they might as just well tell the public what the proposals are that ARE going to happen and not give option to provide feedback. Exactly, if the proposal is to withdraw route xx then inevitably most people will either be against it or not bothered either way if it doesn't affect them. The consultations just seem a waste of time and resources.
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Post by ronnie on Nov 15, 2018 12:07:34 GMT
But that is to be expected .... people will generally oppose reductions and agree with increases .... but to get the feeling a consultation exercise is now pretty pointless ... they might as just well tell the public what the proposals are that ARE going to happen and not give option to provide feedback. Exactly, if the proposal is to withdraw route xx then inevitably most people will either be against it or not bothered either way if it doesn't affect them. The consultations just seem a waste of time and resources. What a shameful situation........... This is similar to the 25 where >50% opposed but it still is planned to be cut back to the middle of nowhere (aka Holborn Circus)
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 15, 2018 12:13:47 GMT
Exactly, if the proposal is to withdraw route xx then inevitably most people will either be against it or not bothered either way if it doesn't affect them. The consultations just seem a waste of time and resources. What a shameful situation........... This is similar to the 25 where >50% opposed but it still is planned to be cut back to the middle of nowhere (aka Holborn Circus) Do you honestly expect the majority of people to be in favour of any cut(s) announced? Plus the is at old adage, that protesters always shout louder than those who agree.
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