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Post by redexpress on Aug 27, 2018 6:10:56 GMT
Who l remembers the N89 going to London Bridge with the odd westbound journey diverted to Southall Brent Road instead of Uxbridge? I’m sure at one stage there was even a crazy early morning journey or two that continued beyond Brent Road via Heathrow and West Drayton to Uxbridge. I also remember being able to catch an N11 from Acton all the way to Hackney? Or an N2 from North Finchley to Crystal Palace. The N90 (I think) ran from Hammond Street to Kingston or something crazy like that. Also who remembers the N81 from Victoria to Gillingham? Or the N56 night bus express to Heathrow? Those were the days 🙂 N90 was Hammond Street - Victoria (had previously been Waltham X - Pimlico). It's the N92 that was the really long one, Potters Bar - Kingston. Never got to ride that one as the route had already been cut back by the time I moved to London. Must have been fun with those nice fast Scanias on the PB allocation. |
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Post by busaholic on Aug 27, 2018 13:58:22 GMT
Who l remembers the N89 going to London Bridge with the odd westbound journey diverted to Southall Brent Road instead of Uxbridge? I’m sure at one stage there was even a crazy early morning journey or two that continued beyond Brent Road via Heathrow and West Drayton to Uxbridge. I also remember being able to catch an N11 from Acton all the way to Hackney? Or an N2 from North Finchley to Crystal Palace. The N90 (I think) ran from Hammond Street to Kingston or something crazy like that. Also who remembers the N81 from Victoria to Gillingham? Or the N56 night bus express to Heathrow? Those were the days 🙂 I'm unclear as to the importance, strategic or otherwise, of Brent Road, but it was the terminus of the night route 289 which begat the N89 and started at the beginning of the Second World War. There were very few all-night bus routes until forty years or so ago, and those there were had usually been tram or trolleybus routes, or based on them. The 289 was a mixture of the daytime trolleybus route 607 and the 17 bus route, but with that deviation to Brent Road. I'm thinking armament manufacture, but I could be barking up the wrong tree! |
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 27, 2018 15:24:01 GMT
Who l remembers the N89 going to London Bridge with the odd westbound journey diverted to Southall Brent Road instead of Uxbridge? I’m sure at one stage there was even a crazy early morning journey or two that continued beyond Brent Road via Heathrow and West Drayton to Uxbridge. I also remember being able to catch an N11 from Acton all the way to Hackney? Or an N2 from North Finchley to Crystal Palace. The N90 (I think) ran from Hammond Street to Kingston or something crazy like that. Also who remembers the N81 from Victoria to Gillingham? Or the N56 night bus express to Heathrow? Those were the days 🙂 I'm unclear as to the importance, strategic or otherwise, of Brent Road, but it was the terminus of the night route 289 which begat the N89 and started at the beginning of the Second World War. There were very few all-night bus routes until forty years or so ago, and those there were had usually been tram or trolleybus routes, or based on them. The 289 was a mixture of the daytime trolleybus route 607 and the 17 bus route, but with that deviation to Brent Road. I'm thinking armament manufacture, but I could be barking up the wrong tree!
You're not far off. Where Heston Services is now was the site for the Fairey Aircraft Factory, so Brent Road is not a million miles away.  |
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Post by busaholic on Aug 27, 2018 15:55:10 GMT
I'm unclear as to the importance, strategic or otherwise, of Brent Road, but it was the terminus of the night route 289 which begat the N89 and started at the beginning of the Second World War. There were very few all-night bus routes until forty years or so ago, and those there were had usually been tram or trolleybus routes, or based on them. The 289 was a mixture of the daytime trolleybus route 607 and the 17 bus route, but with that deviation to Brent Road. I'm thinking armament manufacture, but I could be barking up the wrong tree!
You're not far off. Where Heston Services is now was the site for the Fairey Aircraft Factory, so Brent Road is not a million miles away. I think you've provided the answer, sir.  |
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Post by Ted Barclay on Aug 27, 2018 18:21:42 GMT
Who l remembers the N89 going to London Bridge with the odd westbound journey diverted to Southall Brent Road instead of Uxbridge? I’m sure at one stage there was even a crazy early morning journey or two that continued beyond Brent Road via Heathrow and West Drayton to Uxbridge. I also remember being able to catch an N11 from Acton all the way to Hackney? Or an N2 from North Finchley to Crystal Palace. The N90 (I think) ran from Hammond Street to Kingston or something crazy like that. Also who remembers the N81 from Victoria to Gillingham? Or the N56 night bus express to Heathrow? Those were the days 🙂 I'm unclear as to the importance, strategic or otherwise, of Brent Road, but it was the terminus of the night route 289 which begat the N89 and started at the beginning of the Second World War. There were very few all-night bus routes until forty years or so ago, and those there were had usually been tram or trolleybus routes, or based on them. The 289 was a mixture of the daytime trolleybus route 607 and the 17 bus route, but with that deviation to Brent Road. I'm thinking armament manufacture, but I could be barking up the wrong tree! From 1934 the 17 was an all day service between Southall, Brent Road and London Bridge, which included a night service (except on Saturday nights). After the Uxbridge Road tram route was converted to trolleyus route 607 in November 1936, the day 17 was gradually cut back ending up as only running east of Shepherds Bush (Princess Victoria). The night service continued and around 1939/40 was renumbered 289. Although the square of 17 is 289, the renumbering was probably related to the fact that 289 was the next lowest vacant night number. Ted B |
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Post by busaholic on Aug 27, 2018 20:57:08 GMT
I'm unclear as to the importance, strategic or otherwise, of Brent Road, but it was the terminus of the night route 289 which begat the N89 and started at the beginning of the Second World War. There were very few all-night bus routes until forty years or so ago, and those there were had usually been tram or trolleybus routes, or based on them. The 289 was a mixture of the daytime trolleybus route 607 and the 17 bus route, but with that deviation to Brent Road. I'm thinking armament manufacture, but I could be barking up the wrong tree! From 1934 the 17 was an all day service between Southall, Brent Road and London Bridge, which included a night service (except on Saturday nights). After the Uxbridge Road tram route was converted to trolleyus route 607 in November 1936, the day 17 was gradually cut back ending up as only running east of Shepherds Bush (Princess Victoria). The night service continued and around 1939/40 was renumbered 289. Although the square of 17 is 289, the renumbering was probably related to the fact that 289 was the next lowest vacant night number. Ted B I wasn't aware of the history of the 17, although I do have vague memories of 'spotting' at London Bridge station, and the 17 sharing a stand with the 7A. The 18B was the one I loved most though, a combination of the number and those wonderful 8 ft wide Leyland Titans, the RTW class. |
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 27, 2018 21:19:49 GMT
From 1934 the 17 was an all day service between Southall, Brent Road and London Bridge, which included a night service (except on Saturday nights). After the Uxbridge Road tram route was converted to trolleyus route 607 in November 1936, the day 17 was gradually cut back ending up as only running east of Shepherds Bush (Princess Victoria). The night service continued and around 1939/40 was renumbered 289. Although the square of 17 is 289, the renumbering was probably related to the fact that 289 was the next lowest vacant night number. Ted B I wasn't aware of the history of the 17, although I do have vague memories of 'spotting' at London Bridge station, and the 17 sharing a stand with the 7A. The 18B was the one I loved most though, a combination of the number and those wonderful 8 ft wide Leyland Titans, the RTW class.
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Post by busaholic on Aug 27, 2018 21:30:22 GMT
I wasn't aware of the history of the 17, although I do have vague memories of 'spotting' at London Bridge station, and the 17 sharing a stand with the 7A. The 18B was the one I loved most though, a combination of the number and those wonderful 8 ft wide Leyland Titans, the RTW class.
A memory for you courtesy of Ians Bus Stop page Thank you - I'm not sure I ever managed to travel on an 18B. I was under strict instructions to just stand there: amazing what a 7 or 8 year old was allowed to do compared with nowadays. My other LB memory is of the 13s arriving and the blind changing to 'Peckham via Peckham Hill Street' for buses returning to Rye Lane garage, which on a Saturday lunchtime seemed to be most of them! You couldn't then get a normal service bus between the two places. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 23:44:39 GMT
I caught the N56 Heathrow journey once. Great fun.
Also liked travelling on the Airbus routes. On Christmas Day the A1’s were packed, often standing room only.
I miss garage journeys as well, best ones were the slightly off route examples. The drivers never seemed to like picking people up when on these trips. They’d often already cashed up and removed the ticket machine.
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Post by busaholic on Aug 31, 2018 16:40:52 GMT
I caught the N56 Heathrow journey once. Great fun. Also liked travelling on the Airbus routes. On Christmas Day the A1’s were packed, often standing room only. I miss garage journeys as well, best ones were the slightly off route examples. The drivers never seemed to like picking people up when on these trips. They’d often already cashed up and removed the ticket machine. Even if you worked for LT, but were unknown to the driver/crew, there could be friction. I had an argument by mail with the garage manager at NS over a 139 that was meant to take presenting passengers (just me, admittedly) to North Street. He made it clear what he thought about Head Office trying to interfere (as he saw it) with the operation of 'his' buses! it was an interesting off route one, which I never did, and the route, being a dodo, partly due to its pathetic headways and staff cuts, died shortly afterwards. |
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Post by moz on Sept 17, 2018 5:40:23 GMT
The N59 was a good laugh from West Dulwich to Stanmore while it lasted, definitely tightly timed and those Metros got no sympathy.
I also heard about (but never saw) garage runs on the 70 from Victoria to NX via the 36.
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Post by londonbuses2018 on Sept 17, 2018 15:43:20 GMT
The N59 was a good laugh from West Dulwich to Stanmore while it lasted, definitely tightly timed and those Metros got no sympathy. I also heard about (but never saw) garage runs on the 70 from Victoria to NX via the 36. Moz West Dulwich to Stanmore Would have loved to been alive then . |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 17, 2018 18:48:20 GMT
The N59 was a good laugh from West Dulwich to Stanmore while it lasted, definitely tightly timed and those Metros got no sympathy. I also heard about (but never saw) garage runs on the 70 from Victoria to NX via the 36. Moz West Dulwich to Stanmore Would have loved to been alive then . Oh 1980s Night Buses were something else. Only did one night riding on them with friends but still a couple of vivid memories of that night. Being a N2 (I think) at Brixton heading south to somewhere - Crystal Palace possibly. Oh and being at Friern Barnet at eek o'clock in the morning wondering if the bus back to town had gone or not - only hourly back then. Finally getting kicked off a N89 at somewhere like Hanwell and getting a 207 to Uxbridge where we had breakfast in the cafe in the tube station. |
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 17, 2018 19:45:07 GMT
West Dulwich to Stanmore Would have loved to been alive then . Oh 1980s Night Buses were something else. Only did one night riding on them with friends but still a couple of vivid memories of that night. Being a N2 (I think) at Brixton heading south to somewhere - Crystal Palace possibly. Oh and being at Friern Barnet at eek o'clock in the morning wondering if the bus back to town had gone or not - only hourly back then. Finally getting kicked off a N89 at somewhere like Hanwell and getting a 207 to Uxbridge where we had breakfast in the cafe in the tube station. I remember RMs on the 207 and loooong driver changes, bizarrely by Ealing Hospital rather than Hanwell Garage when I was little... N89 is vaguely familiar too. Remembered the 65 with RMs, took one to Richmond Ice Rink - which never should have closed, the company who demolished it went bust and nothing replaced it  so my nearest Ice Rink was Queens Ice in Queensway after that... not bus related I also remember R Stock trains on the District line (which used to run to Hounslow West before the Heathrow extension)  |
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Post by busaholic on Sept 17, 2018 20:44:06 GMT
I'd have loved to have gone on a 236 garage journey in crew RF days from Finsbury Park to AR, especially when the regular service between those points was provided by 70 seat trolleybuses on the 627, 659 or 679 routes. I can imagine an RF and a trolleybus racing each other going east from Manor House (the crew RF routes, basically the 208/A, 210, 227 and 236, were notorious for such behaviour!)
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so my nearest Ice Rink was Queens Ice in Queensway after that... not bus related I also remember R Stock trains on the District line (which used to run to Hounslow West before the Heathrow extension) 