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Post by rugbyref on Aug 18, 2018 20:56:20 GMT
....when being on a route in the 300 series meant you were likely to be north of London, and a 400 series meant you were South? Nostalgia isn’t what it used to be!
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Post by busaholic on Aug 18, 2018 21:15:02 GMT
....when being on a route in the 300 series meant you were likely to be north of London, and a 400 series meant you were South? Nostalgia isn’t what it used to be! Yes, but do you remember whether route(s) through the Dartford Tunnel were numbered in the 300s or the 400s, or both?! Not a trick question, I don't believe the specially adapted Ford Trader buses for cyclists carried a route number, but I could be wrong. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 18, 2018 21:28:55 GMT
....when being on a route in the 300 series meant you were likely to be north of London, and a 400 series meant you were South? Nostalgia isn’t what it used to be! Yes, but do you remember whether route(s) through the Dartford Tunnel were numbered in the 300s or the 400s, or both?! Not a trick question, I don't believe the specially adapted Ford Trader buses for cyclists carried a route number, but I could be wrong. I remember the Eastern National 402 through the Dartford Tunnel. Used a mix of Bristol VRs and Leyland Nationals. |
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Post by busaholic on Aug 18, 2018 21:49:59 GMT
Yes, but do you remember whether route(s) through the Dartford Tunnel were numbered in the 300s or the 400s, or both?! Not a trick question, I don't believe the specially adapted Ford Trader buses for cyclists carried a route number, but I could be wrong. I remember the Eastern National 402 through the Dartford Tunnel. Used a mix of Bristol VRs and Leyland Nationals. Very confusing, doubly so if it continued to Pratts Bottom and Dunton Green! |
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Post by mbs474 on Aug 19, 2018 8:43:18 GMT
Perhaps as a compromise, when a route between Grays and Dartford was introduced through the tunnel it was numbered 399. Out west things were much more blurred with 4xx routes reaching some distance north of the river to places like Uxbridge and High Wycombe. Staines garage had an entire run out of 4xx numbered bus routes despite being north of the Thames.
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Post by Ted Barclay on Aug 19, 2018 9:39:04 GMT
Perhaps as a compromise, when a route between Grays and Dartford was introduced through the tunnel it was numbered 399. Out west things were much more blurred with 4xx routes reaching some distance north of the river to places like Uxbridge and High Wycombe. Staines garage had an entire run out of 4xx numbered bus routes despite being north of the Thames. The first bus route through the Dartford Tunnel was an RT route numbered 300. After about a year the 300 was altered to operate entirely north of the Thames. It replacement was GS operated route 399. From 56 seats to 26 seats - indicative of how busy the cross river service was! Ted B |
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Post by mbs474 on Aug 19, 2018 11:48:42 GMT
Perhaps as a compromise, when a route between Grays and Dartford was introduced through the tunnel it was numbered 399. Out west things were much more blurred with 4xx routes reaching some distance north of the river to places like Uxbridge and High Wycombe. Staines garage had an entire run out of 4xx numbered bus routes despite being north of the Thames. The first bus route through the Dartford Tunnel was an RT route numbered 300. After about a year the 300 was altered to operate entirely north of the Thames. It replacement was GS operated route 399. From 56 seats to 26 seats - indicative of how busy the cross river service was! Ted B Yes indeed, Ensignbus do quite well over that corridor now. All they needed back in the 60’s was a couple of huge shopping centres either side of the river! |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 19, 2018 14:33:35 GMT
....when being on a route in the 300 series meant you were likely to be north of London, and a 400 series meant you were South? Nostalgia isn’t what it used to be! No but I do remember 1-99 meant Newcastle City services 100-199 meant Sunderland area services 200-299 meant cross boundary services to County Durham from Sunderland 300-399 meant North Tyneside local services 400-499 meant cross boundary services to Northumberland from Newcastle / North Tyneside 500-599 meant South Tyneside local services 600-699 meant SW Gateshead / East Northumberland services 700-799 meant Newcastle to North / North West County Durham cross boundary services 800-899 didn't mean anything apart from some very limited seasonal services 900+ meant Work Services   When there was a proper logical numbering system in Tyne and Wear with very few route number duplications. Now it's a complete shambles with the same numbers used multiple times by the same or different operators. Lost count as to how many Number Ones there now are in Tyne and Wear. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 19, 2018 15:43:12 GMT
....when being on a route in the 300 series meant you were likely to be north of London, and a 400 series meant you were South? Nostalgia isn’t what it used to be! No but I do remember 1-99 meant Newcastle City services 100-199 meant Sunderland area services 200-299 meant cross boundary services to County Durham from Sunderland 300-399 meant North Tyneside local services 400-499 meant cross boundary services to Northumberland from Newcastle / North Tyneside 500-599 meant South Tyneside local services 600-699 meant SW Gateshead / East Northumberland services 700-799 meant Newcastle to North / North West County Durham cross boundary services 800-899 didn't mean anything apart from some very limited seasonal services 900+ meant Work Services When there was a proper logical numbering system in Tyne and Wear with very few route number duplications. Now it's a complete shambles with the same numbers used multiple times by the same or different operators. Lost count as to how many Number Ones there now are in Tyne and Wear. In M&D/East Kent land : 1-99 Maidstone area 100-199 Medway 200-299 Tonbridge/Tunbridge Wells 300-399 Swale 400-499 Hastings/Rye 500-599 Ashford/Folkestone 600-699 Canterbury/East Kent ...and in the South West 1-99 Plymouth/South Hams 100-199 Exeter/Torbay 200-299 West/Central Somerset (Taunton, Minehead) 300-399 Barnstaple/Bideford/North Devon coast 400-499 Yeovil and South Somerset 500-599 Cornwall Oh how I think this sort of numbering system is so much better than having loads of 1s, 2s etc... |
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Post by rugbyref on Aug 24, 2018 20:05:04 GMT
On a slight tangent, I remember when routes 212 and 244 ran from Muswell Hill Broadway and 104 ran through nearby Finchley. Is there a minimum distance from the old area that tfl applies when reusing a route number?
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Post by busaholic on Aug 24, 2018 20:15:32 GMT
Just off the top of my head, I remember as a kid the 287 ran from Brentwood to Hornchurch Garage via Romford, and I believe at one time it operated further west, to Becontree Heath or Barking? It got withdrawn years ago, but lo and behold.... I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, some deliberate but others quite random.
P.S. Sorry, this was meant as a response to the above. I forgot to quote. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 24, 2018 22:27:46 GMT
On a slight tangent, I remember when routes 212 and 244 ran from Muswell Hill Broadway and 104 ran through nearby Finchley. Is there a minimum distance from the old area that tfl applies when reusing a route number? 1989 : route 138 from Bromley to Coney Hall withdrawn. 1990 : route 138 introduced from Catford to Coney Hall via Bromley. |
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 24, 2018 22:52:54 GMT
On a slight tangent, I remember when routes 212 and 244 ran from Muswell Hill Broadway and 104 ran through nearby Finchley. Is there a minimum distance from the old area that tfl applies when reusing a route number? I remember the 274 used to run in Ealing using MCW Metro deckers  Can't remember when the Camden area route started though  87 was Barking to Harold Hill back in the day, before the 77A was renumbered Nostalgia isn't what it used to be  |
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Post by busman on Aug 27, 2018 1:34:27 GMT
I remember two discontinued E4 routes in West London. The first being Chiswick Grove Park to Park Royal ASDA (predecessor to the current 440) and the second incarnation being from Windmill Park to Perivale Tesco via West Ealing and Hanwell. The E10 and E11 have since been introduced even though E4 has long been redundant. I wonder if/when we will see the number being re-used.
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Post by busman on Aug 27, 2018 1:50:02 GMT
Who l remembers the N89 going to London Bridge with the odd westbound journey diverted to Southall Brent Road instead of Uxbridge? I’m sure at one stage there was even a crazy early morning journey or two that continued beyond Brent Road via Heathrow and West Drayton to Uxbridge. I also remember being able to catch an N11 from Acton all the way to Hackney? Or an N2 from North Finchley to Crystal Palace. The N90 (I think) ran from Hammond Street to Kingston or something crazy like that. Also who remembers the N81 from Victoria to Gillingham? Or the N56 night bus express to Heathrow? Those were the days 🙂
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Can't remember when the Camden area route started though 
87 was Barking to Harold Hill back in the day, before the 77A was renumbered 
