|
Post by snoggle on Apr 22, 2019 10:28:43 GMT
Things seem to have gone quiet on this, after TfL promised to 'conclude their findings in the spring'. I was thinking of emailing the contact at TfL to ask for an update and ask some questions in light of the February report, but if they've kicked it into the long grass, could doing so be counterproductive in terms of reawakening the issue / keeping the 384 serving all the roads in Barnet that it does now? The report didn't mention anything about the northbound bus stop on Barnet Hill part of the proposals, which I would quite like an update on as I think better access from the tube is important, but I don't want to rock the boat if TfL have climbed down on changing the 384 and quietly intend to keep the status quo. Any advice appreciated. Spring lasts until 21 June so TfL have lots of time. I'd just leave them alone for now. If nothing has appeared by early June then I'd just ask them when they expect to publish their updated conclusions.
|
|
|
Post by uakari on Apr 22, 2019 16:04:06 GMT
Things seem to have gone quiet on this, after TfL promised to 'conclude their findings in the spring'. I was thinking of emailing the contact at TfL to ask for an update and ask some questions in light of the February report, but if they've kicked it into the long grass, could doing so be counterproductive in terms of reawakening the issue / keeping the 384 serving all the roads in Barnet that it does now? The report didn't mention anything about the northbound bus stop on Barnet Hill part of the proposals, which I would quite like an update on as I think better access from the tube is important, but I don't want to rock the boat if TfL have climbed down on changing the 384 and quietly intend to keep the status quo. Any advice appreciated. Spring lasts until 21 June so TfL have lots of time. I'd just leave them alone for now. If nothing has appeared by early June then I'd just ask them when they expect to publish their updated conclusions. But do you think that contacting them now to ask some of the questions I have would be counterproductive and make them feel more like they have to make changes when they were just going to quietly leave things as they are?
|
|
|
Post by snoggle on Apr 22, 2019 17:44:30 GMT
Spring lasts until 21 June so TfL have lots of time. I'd just leave them alone for now. If nothing has appeared by early June then I'd just ask them when they expect to publish their updated conclusions. But do you think that contacting them now to ask some of the questions I have would be counterproductive and make them feel more like they have to make changes when they were just going to quietly leave things as they are? Are they new questions or repeats of old ones that you've already clearly made? I wouldn't go back and repeat old questions - the human reaction is to go "oh heck not him again saying those same things". I know that sounds unprofessional but it can and does happen. If you have brand new questions that you've not raised before and you feel they need to be asked now then ask them. To be honest it's not really for me to say what you do.
|
|
|
Post by snoggle on Jun 5, 2019 22:01:08 GMT
The latest TfL Customer Services papers include a short reference to the conclusions on this consultation being published "shortly". Obviously with TfL's current performance on consultations that could mean almost anything.
|
|
|
Post by ian on Jun 28, 2019 8:52:46 GMT
Well we have reached the last working day in Q2, for a consultation that was originally supposed to report back in Q1 and then 'spring'.
Dare I make the connection that if Edgware and the relevant parts of Mill Hill (to this proposal) are now to lose their bus connection to Northwick Park Hospital, that a direct bus connection to Barnet Hospital would be an even more welcome development...
|
|
|
Post by VWH1414 on Jun 28, 2019 9:41:24 GMT
Well we have reached the last working day in Q2, for a consultation that was originally supposed to report back in Q1 and then 'spring'. Dare I make the connection that if Edgware and the relevant parts of Mill Hill (to this proposal) are now to lose their bus connection to Northwick Park Hospital, that a direct bus connection to Barnet Hospital would be an even more welcome development... I do overall think that the 384 changes are a useful idea, considering that there is no direct link to Barnet (614/644 is non TfL and costs more - Will deter people, 107 takes a much longer routing to get there, and you can also get the busy and already overpacked 251 to Totteridge & Whetstone, which then means swapping for a train, adding more money to your journey, plus more messing around). Also with the link to Northwick Park Hospital being lost, it could be even more useful. The only thing is, I don't think the 292 should receive a decrease in frequency, as in no way is the 384 helping the route, as many users will use it to get to Borehamwood, where the 384 does not go.
|
|
|
Post by kmkcheng on Jun 28, 2019 10:10:04 GMT
I do overall think that the 384 changes are a useful idea, considering that there is no direct link to Barnet (614/644 is non TfL and costs more - Will deter people, 107 takes a much longer routing to get there, and you can also get the busy and already overpacked 251 to Totteridge & Whetstone, which then means swapping for a train, adding more money to your journey, plus more messing around). Also with the link to Northwick Park Hospital being lost, it could be even more useful. The only thing is, I don't think the 292 should receive a decrease in frequency, as in no way is the 384 helping the route, as many users will use it to get to Borehamwood, where the 384 does not go. I believe Uno charges the same as the TfL fare between Barnet and Queensbury (£1.50). You just can’t use oyster that’s all
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Jun 28, 2019 11:49:55 GMT
Well we have reached the last working day in Q2, for a consultation that was originally supposed to report back in Q1 and then 'spring'. Dare I make the connection that if Edgware and the relevant parts of Mill Hill (to this proposal) are now to lose their bus connection to Northwick Park Hospital, that a direct bus connection to Barnet Hospital would be an even more welcome development... I do overall think that the 384 changes are a useful idea, considering that there is no direct link to Barnet (614/644 is non TfL and costs more - Will deter people, 107 takes a much longer routing to get there, and you can also get the busy and already overpacked 251 to Totteridge & Whetstone, which then means swapping for a train, adding more money to your journey, plus more messing around). Also with the link to Northwick Park Hospital being lost, it could be even more useful. The only thing is, I don't think the 292 should receive a decrease in frequency, as in no way is the 384 helping the route, as many users will use it to get to Borehamwood, where the 384 does not go. On the other hand, many of the useful local 384 links that the route was introduced to meet are eroded - that doesn’t sit well with me and gives TfL the liberty to erode more of these useful routes that run off the beaten track.
|
|
|
Post by VWH1414 on Jun 28, 2019 11:59:49 GMT
I do overall think that the 384 changes are a useful idea, considering that there is no direct link to Barnet (614/644 is non TfL and costs more - Will deter people, 107 takes a much longer routing to get there, and you can also get the busy and already overpacked 251 to Totteridge & Whetstone, which then means swapping for a train, adding more money to your journey, plus more messing around). Also with the link to Northwick Park Hospital being lost, it could be even more useful. The only thing is, I don't think the 292 should receive a decrease in frequency, as in no way is the 384 helping the route, as many users will use it to get to Borehamwood, where the 384 does not go. On the other hand, many of the useful local 384 links that the route was introduced to meet are eroded - that doesn’t sit well with me and gives TfL the liberty to erode more of these useful routes that run off the beaten track. Realistically the idea could be thought out in a better way, e.g. keep some of the side road links or reroute another route slightly to serve those areas. But it is a similar situation to the 303/305 situation with many broken links left still unreplaced. it is TfL afterall.
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Jun 28, 2019 13:10:14 GMT
On the other hand, many of the useful local 384 links that the route was introduced to meet are eroded - that doesn’t sit well with me and gives TfL the liberty to erode more of these useful routes that run off the beaten track. Realistically the idea could be thought out in a better way, e.g. keep some of the side road links or reroute another route slightly to serve those areas. But it is a similar situation to the 303/305 situation with many broken links left still unreplaced. it is TfL afterall. If it was me, I'd re-route another route to be that direct Barnet to Edgware link but the 305 no longer exists as this is what I'd of done: Extend the old 305 to Broadfields from Edgware & divert the 288 to Barnet via the proposed routing instead with the 384 remaining unchanged. Not sure if you can get away now with extending the 303 to Broadfields instead but I'd say it could work
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 17:16:55 GMT
Well into the summer months and still no update on what's going on regarding these routes... uakari have you contacted your person at TfL for an update?
|
|
|
Post by danorak on Jul 13, 2019 19:07:59 GMT
Well into the summer months and still no update on what's going on regarding these routes... uakari have you contacted your person at TfL for an update? In the same way that we have a thread detailing the tendering programme, I wonder if there might be some merit in an 'active and outstanding consultations' thread. It would be closed for discussion so that that still took place on the dedicated threads but it would be a one-stop shop to check what is still open and what is overdue for a TfL response. Any thoughts? (Might add this to the 'forum ideas' section.)
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Jul 13, 2019 19:37:53 GMT
Well into the summer months and still no update on what's going on regarding these routes... uakari have you contacted your person at TfL for an update? In the same way that we have a thread detailing the tendering programme, I wonder if there might be some merit in an 'active and outstanding consultations' thread. It would be closed for discussion so that that still took place on the dedicated threads but it would be a one-stop shop to check what is still open and what is overdue for a TfL response. Any thoughts? (Might add this to the 'forum ideas' section.) I like that idea, makes tons of sense to me.
|
|
|
Post by ian on Sept 1, 2019 18:13:59 GMT
Tick, tock...
Early 2019 begat spring, begat summer and now we are into September, almost a year on and still nothing.
|
|
|
Post by southlondonbus on Sept 1, 2019 18:17:49 GMT
Probably due to high opposition due to all the side streets the 384 would be removed from.
|
|