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Post by greg on Aug 5, 2020 22:11:09 GMT
Don’t think they’re going to get meddled with personally, the more buses the safer at the moment. Think if anything to be withdrawn, its more route cutbacks and frequency and etc and smaller routes. But in your case, I personally would extend the 30 to Notting Hill, and just cut the 274 to Baker Street. Portman Square has WAY too many buses in my opinion, and though the 274 carries a few its not even much of a walk, just about minutes down the road. Why extend the 30 to Notting hill gate? at warren street/baker street you can just take the 27 at marble arch there is the 94 the 274 links lancaster gate with islington/the inner roads of camden example regents park or london zoo or lords cricket ground This may seem off, and I am a local but the roads the 274 serve are empty! It is partially the reason why the 274 was a single decker route. It picks up barely anything between Baker Street and Camden Town as the roads it serves are just rich houses with people who own Ferrari’s and stuff and no one reaches for the 274 at London Zoo, people just walk to Camden as its like down the road and no one walks to London Central Mosque from London Zoo. I believe the 274 also converted to double deck during the 46/214 tender as it was the cheapest out of the three. Extending the 30 which has much better links would work, to East and a MUCH quicker routing than the 27 which goes all the way down Paddington, Kensington which is almost 40 minutes, whereas the 30 would take about 15/20.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 22:15:13 GMT
Bus patronage seems to be rising each week now. It is still well down on last year , obviously.
Fingers crossed, the accountants see that rise and limit the size of cuts which will inevitably come.
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Post by aaron1 on Aug 5, 2020 22:52:34 GMT
I hope to the roads in Central Roads get empty that way the route can go longer like they do a night
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Post by vjaska on Aug 5, 2020 22:58:05 GMT
There have been talks of buses being replaced down Portman Square but you need to realise it's not a long corridor as is with Park Lane. Park Lane is a very good route for buses terminating at Victoria or like the 36 & 148, avoiding Central London. I don't know how busy the 74 gets, I could see that be a contender as with the 274, the 74 whenever I see though does seem to be fairly busy to Baker Street Station & Oxford Street however so I think the 274 would be a great option. The 94 talks are irking me, even if the 94 gets cut to Marble Arch/North Row I still think there would still be demand on the western side of the route to justify an extension with the 440 extended to Acton Green from TGC, and the 94 either extended to TGC or Chiswick Business Park via the old 440 routing in Bollo Lane. I could see the 274 going with it cut to Portman Square or Marble Arch and maybe the 148 may sustain a cut to Notting Hill with the 94 kept in a reliable form from Picadilly Circus - Acton Green/Chiswick Business Park. For the one way to get rid of 274 it and keep the links is to merge with the 74 I don't think a Putney to Camden Town or Islington Angel can work but it worth a try No it wouldn't work - for starters, both routes provide different purposes but also the traffic levels haven't dropped sufficiently outside of Central London to allow such a thing.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 6, 2020 5:18:42 GMT
There have been talks of buses being replaced down Portman Square but you need to realise it's not a long corridor as is with Park Lane. Park Lane is a very good route for buses terminating at Victoria or like the 36 & 148, avoiding Central London. I don't know how busy the 74 gets, I could see that be a contender as with the 274, the 74 whenever I see though does seem to be fairly busy to Baker Street Station & Oxford Street however so I think the 274 would be a great option. The 94 talks are irking me, even if the 94 gets cut to Marble Arch/North Row I still think there would still be demand on the western side of the route to justify an extension with the 440 extended to Acton Green from TGC, and the 94 either extended to TGC or Chiswick Business Park via the old 440 routing in Bollo Lane. I could see the 274 going with it cut to Portman Square or Marble Arch and maybe the 148 may sustain a cut to Notting Hill with the 94 kept in a reliable form from Picadilly Circus - Acton Green/Chiswick Business Park. For the one way to get rid of 274 it and keep the links is to merge with the 74 I don't think a Putney to Camden Town or Islington Angel can work but it worth a try Yes extend the 74 back to Camden Town and reroute the 274 via the 31 route to Maida Hill with a loop working eastbound to serve Camden High Street. As a result the 31 could be reduced slightly to every 12 minutes. Cross Camden link from Maida Hill to Islington and increases the busy Camden Town to Kilburn section of the 31 to 10bph.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 6, 2020 6:38:07 GMT
@greg I'm wondering why you think tfl will cut anything at the moment. Isn't public transport supposed to be accessible for all?
Not going to lie I feel as if Geoff Hobbs is influencing these major decisions and I'm wondering if he's capitalist because I certainly can't imagine a labour Mayor being capitalist.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 6, 2020 6:50:05 GMT
@greg I'm wondering why you think tfl will cut anything at the moment. Isn't public transport supposed to be accessible for all? Not going to lie I feel as if Geoff Hobbs is influencing these major decisions and I'm wondering if he's capitalist because I certainly can't imagine a labour Mayor being capitalist. Probably because they will go into the public service equivalent of bankruptcy, which would result in cuts to anything that was not profitable ... ie 90% of the bus network
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Post by rif153 on Aug 6, 2020 10:53:49 GMT
@greg I'm wondering why you think tfl will cut anything at the moment. Isn't public transport supposed to be accessible for all? Not going to lie I feel as if Geoff Hobbs is influencing these major decisions and I'm wondering if he's capitalist because I certainly can't imagine a labour Mayor being capitalist. Well when TfL were close to going bankrupt Sadiq Khan threatened to cut all services, not to create more bus routes. Therefore austerity won the argument! Just a joke don't take it too seriously.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 6, 2020 10:56:16 GMT
For the one way to get rid of 274 it and keep the links is to merge with the 74 I don't think a Putney to Camden Town or Islington Angel can work but it worth a try No it wouldn't work - for starters, both routes provide different purposes but also the traffic levels haven't dropped sufficiently outside of Central London to allow such a thing. There's too common an assumption on here that just because two routes used to be one that we should go back to then - its important to remember that these routes weren't split up for no reason. Also time after time I see people proposing merging routes with different frequencies which doesn't make sense at all - just because a 6bph service on Sundays is needed for the 274 doesn't mean you'll need the same service level on the 74 too.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 6, 2020 11:09:15 GMT
No it wouldn't work - for starters, both routes provide different purposes but also the traffic levels haven't dropped sufficiently outside of Central London to allow such a thing. There's too common an assumption on here that just because two routes used to be one that we should go back to then - its important to remember that these routes weren't split up for no reason. Also time after time I see people proposing merging routes with different frequencies which doesn't make sense at all - just because a 6bph service on Sundays is needed for the 274 doesn't mean you'll need the same service level on the 74 too. It's also worth bearing in mind that it might have been a good idea splitting these routes nearly 30 years ago, and the 74 was rerouted to Kings Cross then but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the best use of resources now. Returning the 74 to Camden Town shouldn't be a problem, the frequencies are virtually the same, or an obvious alternative would be just to curtail the 74 at Marble Arch and leave the 274 as it is.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 6, 2020 11:21:49 GMT
There's too common an assumption on here that just because two routes used to be one that we should go back to then - its important to remember that these routes weren't split up for no reason. Also time after time I see people proposing merging routes with different frequencies which doesn't make sense at all - just because a 6bph service on Sundays is needed for the 274 doesn't mean you'll need the same service level on the 74 too. It's also worth bearing in mind that it might have been a good idea splitting these routes nearly 30 years ago, and the 74 was rerouted to Kings Cross then but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the best use of resources now. Returning the 74 to Camden Town shouldn't be a problem, the frequencies are virtually the same, or an obvious alternative would be just to curtail the 74 at Marble Arch and leave the 274 as it is. Additionally if it saves money, what might not be ideal, will just have to work.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 6, 2020 11:37:35 GMT
There's too common an assumption on here that just because two routes used to be one that we should go back to then - its important to remember that these routes weren't split up for no reason. Also time after time I see people proposing merging routes with different frequencies which doesn't make sense at all - just because a 6bph service on Sundays is needed for the 274 doesn't mean you'll need the same service level on the 74 too. It's also worth bearing in mind that it might have been a good idea splitting these routes nearly 30 years ago, and the 74 was rerouted to Kings Cross then but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the best use of resources now. Returning the 74 to Camden Town shouldn't be a problem, the frequencies are virtually the same, or an obvious alternative would be just to curtail the 74 at Marble Arch and leave the 274 as it is. The proposal wasn't to return the 74 to Camden Town but to simply merge the 74 & 274 together which is two different things altogether.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 6, 2020 11:39:14 GMT
It's also worth bearing in mind that it might have been a good idea splitting these routes nearly 30 years ago, and the 74 was rerouted to Kings Cross then but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the best use of resources now. Returning the 74 to Camden Town shouldn't be a problem, the frequencies are virtually the same, or an obvious alternative would be just to curtail the 74 at Marble Arch and leave the 274 as it is. Additionally if it saves money, what might not be ideal, will just have to work. And if the merged route becomes less reliable as a result, carry on waving goodbye to patronage as people seek out alternative.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 6, 2020 11:43:09 GMT
Additionally if it saves money, what might not be ideal, will just have to work. And if the merged route becomes less reliable as a result, carry on waving goodbye to patronage as people seek out alternative. As long as savings exceed lost revenue, a change would no doubt be deemed a success.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 6, 2020 11:54:38 GMT
It's also worth bearing in mind that it might have been a good idea splitting these routes nearly 30 years ago, and the 74 was rerouted to Kings Cross then but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the best use of resources now. Returning the 74 to Camden Town shouldn't be a problem, the frequencies are virtually the same, or an obvious alternative would be just to curtail the 74 at Marble Arch and leave the 274 as it is. The proposal wasn't to return the 74 to Camden Town but to simply merge the 74 & 274 together which is two different things altogether. My proposal is to extend the 74 to Camden Town with changes to the 274.
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