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Post by snoggle on Sept 28, 2018 10:27:49 GMT
I can't say I'm surprised the 343's now consulted to be extended to Aldgate, though I do admit that I thought it was going to replace the section of the 40 that's to be withdrawn via Fenchurch Street. Looks like that small section what have any bus service at or as a result. "Doesn't matter - the nearest bus stops are ONLY 300 metres away. PS we don't give a stuff if you can't or don't want to walk 300 metres or if it is cold, pouring with rain or blowing a gale. The walk WILL do you good - even if it kills you." |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Sept 28, 2018 10:30:03 GMT
"We are proposing to no longer run route 11 between Liverpool Street station and Victoria, and we would extend the service to Oxford Circus via Grosvenor Place, Piccadilly and Berkeley Square, where customer demand is highest. The proposals would also provide a new connection between Buckingham Palace Road, and Mayfair and Oxford Circus. They would also improve reliability on route 11 and 19, as well as better matching customer demand." Erm ... Good to see TfL still haven't hired their proof reader Could not understand what they were getting at here when I read that. Moreover, will a N311 be created or left as N11? |
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Post by danorak on Sept 28, 2018 10:36:15 GMT
Some frequency cuts there too, which haven't been previously flagged up. The 53 one - to every eight minutes - will go down like a cup of cold sick. (EDIT: does anyone have a pre-2003 53 timetable at all? Would be useful to compare the frequency through Woolwich before the 453 was carved out of it with what's planned now) The 53 is already packed so any loss of capacity is going to be a bad move. And the changes to the 180 will put more pressure on the parallel 177. |
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Post by 15002 on Sept 28, 2018 10:36:58 GMT
"We are proposing to no longer run route 11 between Liverpool Street station and Victoria, and we would extend the service to Oxford Circus via Grosvenor Place, Piccadilly and Berkeley Square, where customer demand is highest. The proposals would also provide a new connection between Buckingham Palace Road, and Mayfair and Oxford Circus. They would also improve reliability on route 11 and 19, as well as better matching customer demand." Erm ... Good to see TfL still haven't hired their proof reader Could not understand what they were getting at here when I read that. Moreover, will a N311 be created or left as N11? According to the consultation, the N11 is being renumbered to the N311 from what I’ve understood. |
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Post by snowman on Sept 28, 2018 10:39:57 GMT
Some frequency cuts there too, which haven't been previously flagged up. The 53 one - to every eight minutes - will go down like a cup of cold sick. (EDIT: does anyone have a pre-2003 53 timetable at all? Would be useful to compare the frequency through Woolwich before the 453 was carved out of it with what's planned now) Given that it's x7.5mins now will anybody even notice? And are references to vomit really necessary? Some people might be eating! I'd actually be more concerned about where the 53 will terminate, if Lower Marsh is the set down point it's not very good. If the 53 is going to use the current 341 stand I doubt if it will be able to pick up or set down there because of the adjacent cycle lane. www.flickr.com/photos/154741497@N03/43153043000/in/dateposted-public/The map shows the terminus of 53 as Westminster Bridge Road, although it is never good practice to scale off a map, the route appears to end almost exactly where the junction of Carlisle Lane is. Cant really work out where the stand would be unless it is on some out of service loop |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 10:40:28 GMT
Could not understand what they were getting at here when I read that. Moreover, will a N311 be created or left as N11? According to the consultation, the N11 is being renumbered to the N311 from what I’ve understood. Yes. That will cause confusion at the City end. Can't see why the N11 cannot remain.
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Post by LBOTG on Sept 28, 2018 10:48:27 GMT
No mention whatsoever of Fetter Lane being deprived of its bus service other than on the map in the "Waterloo to Fleet Street" section!
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Post by vjaska on Sept 28, 2018 10:49:33 GMT
Some frequency cuts there too, which haven't been previously flagged up. The 53 one - to every eight minutes - will go down like a cup of cold sick. (EDIT: does anyone have a pre-2003 53 timetable at all? Would be useful to compare the frequency through Woolwich before the 453 was carved out of it with what's planned now) Given that it's x7.5mins now will anybody even notice? And are references to vomit really necessary? Some people might be eating! I'd actually be more concerned about where the 53 will terminate, if Lower Marsh is the set down point it's not very good. If the 53 is going to use the current 341 stand I doubt if it will be able to pick up or set down there because of the adjacent cycle lane. www.flickr.com/photos/154741497@N03/43153043000/in/dateposted-public/It would set down and pick up at St. Thomas's Hospital and it's highly likely it will use the 341 stand given the 341 will move elsewhere. |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 28, 2018 10:55:50 GMT
Here's another example of proof reading failure from the Technical Note. "Repurpose a route 476 bus stand at Euston Bus Station for route 59 Repurpose a route 476 bus stand at King’s Cross, York Way for route 59" Yer wot?  This is a shambles given all the other errors people are finding. Didn't they bother to read any of this before they sent it out? |
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Post by M1104 on Sept 28, 2018 10:56:21 GMT
"We are proposing to no longer run route 11 between Liverpool Street station and Victoria, and we would extend the service to Oxford Circus via Grosvenor Place, Piccadilly and Berkeley Square, where customer demand is highest. The proposals would also provide a new connection between Buckingham Palace Road, and Mayfair and Oxford Circus. They would also improve reliability on route 11 and 19, as well as better matching customer demand." Erm ... Good to see TfL still haven't hired their proof reader Could not understand what they were getting at here when I read that. Moreover, will a N311 be created or left as N11? Presumably remaining as N11 as it will still be a night version extension of the 11 |
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Post by LBOTG on Sept 28, 2018 10:58:45 GMT
Well I never, there's somewhere called "Bayliss Road" which the 341 will no longer serve...
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Post by vjaska on Sept 28, 2018 10:59:31 GMT
Here's another example of proof reading failure from the Technical Note. "Repurpose a route 476 bus stand at Euston Bus Station for route 59 Repurpose a route 476 bus stand at King’s Cross, York Way for route 59" Yer wot? This is a shambles given all the other errors people are finding. Didn't they bother to read any of this before they sent it out? I wonder if this purposely done in some sort of weird psychological way in the hope someone might ignore what is actually going on - granted, extremely unlikely but I'd thought I'd throw out a bad guess lol. Better wording would of been to replace Repurpose with Re-use or even just say swap the routes between the two stands. |
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Post by sid on Sept 28, 2018 11:04:06 GMT
Given that it's x7.5mins now will anybody even notice? And are references to vomit really necessary? Some people might be eating! I'd actually be more concerned about where the 53 will terminate, if Lower Marsh is the set down point it's not very good. If the 53 is going to use the current 341 stand I doubt if it will be able to pick up or set down there because of the adjacent cycle lane. www.flickr.com/photos/154741497@N03/43153043000/in/dateposted-public/It would set down and pick up at St. Thomas's Hospital and it's highly likely it will use the 341 stand given the 341 will move elsewhere. Ideally the 53 will still serve St Thomas's Hospital but as far as I know this hasn't been confirmed? It's because the 341 is moving stand that I can't help thinking the 53 will be using that stand and Lower Marsh will be the pick up and set down point. |
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Post by lundnah on Sept 28, 2018 11:04:31 GMT
According to the consultation, the N11 is being renumbered to the N311 from what I’ve understood. Yes. That will cause confusion at the City end. Can't see why the N11 cannot remain.
"Routes N11, N19 and N22 would remain unchanged, although route N11 would be renumbered N311 to better reflect the day service, as it would not run to Oxford Circus." |
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Post by LBOTG on Sept 28, 2018 11:05:43 GMT
Even more in the supporting material document:
"Routes 26, 48 and 55 and all run between London Bridget to Hackney Road"
Spelling and knowledge errors here!
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This is a shambles given all the other errors people are finding. Didn't they bother to read any of this before they sent it out?