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Post by greenboy on Apr 7, 2020 11:36:45 GMT
I've heard unions are calling for boarding through the middle doors to prevent the driver getting COVID 19 On the other hand, controlled boarding through the front door and alighting through the centre door reduces passenger contact. Most passengers only need to tap a card on the oyster reader and do not need to face or get close to the driver to speak. I know that drivers are contracting coronavirus, and sadly some have now died. Contact with passengers though is not the sole route of transmission. Outside of London very few drivers would have this option. I apologise if my comments here upset or offend anyone. Throughout this crisis I have been trying to see the bigger picture, and to apply considered thought rather than knee-jerk reaction. The answers are not always simple, or without consequence. I don't think you have anything to apologise for and you're quite right in saying that there is a bigger picture. If drivers are happier with passengers boarding though the rear doors on 2 or 3 doored buses I can't see any problem in implementing that as it has been in other countries. I think boarding passengers are quite capable of waiting for others to get off and the loss of revenue is irrelevant at the moment with few people travelling anyway.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 7, 2020 12:07:47 GMT
I've heard unions are calling for boarding through the middle doors to prevent the driver getting COVID 19 On the other hand, controlled boarding through the front door and alighting through the centre door reduces passenger contact. Most passengers only need to tap a card on the oyster reader and do not need to face or get close to the driver to speak. I know that drivers are contracting coronavirus, and sadly some have now died. Contact with passengers though is not the sole route of transmission. Outside of London very few drivers would have this option. I apologise if my comments here upset or offend anyone. Throughout this crisis I have been trying to see the bigger picture, and to apply considered thought rather than knee-jerk reaction. The answers are not always simple, or without consequence. Nothing to apologise for, regardless of whether I agree with yourself or not, I always do like reading your posts as it’s always coming from an interesting place.
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 7, 2020 15:29:33 GMT
On the other hand, controlled boarding through the front door and alighting through the centre door reduces passenger contact. Most passengers only need to tap a card on the oyster reader and do not need to face or get close to the driver to speak. I know that drivers are contracting coronavirus, and sadly some have now died. Contact with passengers though is not the sole route of transmission. Outside of London very few drivers would have this option. I apologise if my comments here upset or offend anyone. Throughout this crisis I have been trying to see the bigger picture, and to apply considered thought rather than knee-jerk reaction. The answers are not always simple, or without consequence. Nothing to apologise for, regardless of whether I agree with yourself or not, I always do like reading your posts as it’s always coming from an interesting place. Thank you for the encouragement!
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 7, 2020 16:52:19 GMT
On the other hand, controlled boarding through the front door and alighting through the centre door reduces passenger contact. Most passengers only need to tap a card on the oyster reader and do not need to face or get close to the driver to speak. I know that drivers are contracting coronavirus, and sadly some have now died. Contact with passengers though is not the sole route of transmission. Outside of London very few drivers would have this option. I apologise if my comments here upset or offend anyone. Throughout this crisis I have been trying to see the bigger picture, and to apply considered thought rather than knee-jerk reaction. The answers are not always simple, or without consequence. I don't think you have anything to apologise for and you're quite right in saying that there is a bigger picture. If drivers are happier with passengers boarding though the rear doors on 2 or 3 doored buses I can't see any problem in implementing that as it has been in other countries. I think boarding passengers are quite capable of waiting for others to get off and the loss of revenue is irrelevant at the moment with few people travelling anyway. I will take slight issue with your statement that revenue is not important: Although passenger numbers are severely depleted - it has been reported to the Commons Transport Select Committee that bus passenger numbers in London are 80% down on this time last year* (and outside London it is even greater at an average 88%). However that is still 20% of all journeys being made, which is still a substantial slice of revenue from fares and other reimbursements, such as the amounts TfL receives for Freedom Pass journeys. Only when that money is guaranteed from another source can TfL instruct operators to move to centre-door boarding and free travel. EDIT: I see on the Coronavirus - Transport Impact thread that it has now been agreed with the Unite union that all bus driver screens will be sealed from tomorrow (8th April). Also all Unite Health & Safety Reps will be released from their regular duties so they can ensure that existing safety measures such as social distancing, supply of hand-sanitiser etc. are being observed properly. * source: www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/rail-journeys-at-5-of-normal-levels-as-uk-stays-home-due-to-coronavirus
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Post by Alex on Apr 8, 2020 0:10:24 GMT
On the other hand, controlled boarding through the front door and alighting through the centre door reduces passenger contact. Most passengers only need to tap a card on the oyster reader and do not need to face or get close to the driver to speak. I know that drivers are contracting coronavirus, and sadly some have now died. Contact with passengers though is not the sole route of transmission. Outside of London very few drivers would have this option. I apologise if my comments here upset or offend anyone. Throughout this crisis I have been trying to see the bigger picture, and to apply considered thought rather than knee-jerk reaction. The answers are not always simple, or without consequence. You haven't said anything wrong and as other members have said, it might not even be about the passengers, there's all sorts of other things going on and contraction of the virus could have come from anywhere. I'm travelling 1.5 hours each way on public transport (to to a job in said area!) when I would rather stay out of the way - I could infect my workplace without even having anything to do with work.....
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Post by rugbyref on Apr 8, 2020 7:47:11 GMT
Time to reverse the boarding changes to keep passengers away from drivers during the Coronavirus crisis! I don’t see that having any effect - I mean if people board through one door, then your increasing the risk of spreading it amongst passengers and then what happens on single door buses? The driver doesn’t need to interact with passengers and has an assault screen Tfl has announced a 4 week trial on some routes out of Walworth. Perhaps your rejection of the idea was hasty?
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Post by vjaska on Apr 8, 2020 12:52:35 GMT
I don’t see that having any effect - I mean if people board through one door, then your increasing the risk of spreading it amongst passengers and then what happens on single door buses? The driver doesn’t need to interact with passengers and has an assault screen Tfl has announced a 4 week trial on some routes out of Walworth. Perhaps your rejection of the idea was hasty? I know you deeply dislike me for no good reason but really any need for the last line especially as I wasn’t the only one who made the same point so will you be throwing that sentence at others?
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Post by george on Apr 8, 2020 13:04:12 GMT
Tfl has announced a 4 week trial on some routes out of Walworth. Perhaps your rejection of the idea was hasty? I know you deeply dislike me for no good reason but really any need for the last line especially as I wasn’t the only one who made the same point so will you be throwing that sentence at others? A perfect valid case you make and one that should be mentioned. Last week when I used a bus that had back door boarding only everyone to gather together to let the people off the bus first, of course the streets of London are much quite now but it only takes one person to pass it and what happened the drivers on the single door buses?
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Post by vjaska on Apr 8, 2020 13:09:06 GMT
I know you deeply dislike me for no good reason but really any need for the last line especially as I wasn’t the only one who made the same point so will you be throwing that sentence at others? A perfect valid case you make and one that should be mentioned. Last week when I used a bus that had back door boarding only everyone to gather together to let the people off the bus first, of course the streets of London are much quite now but it only takes one person to pass it and what happened the drivers on the single door buses? Exactly - snowman made a very good point in that people are assuming it’s passengers passing it on to staff rather than actually investigating if cleaning practices and other things are causing the spread. Before anyone says, I’m not throwing any accusations at staff but should think all avenues should be investigated - what about giving drivers PPE instead of a trial I’m dubious about?
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Post by rugbyref on Apr 9, 2020 8:39:08 GMT
Tfl has announced a 4 week trial on some routes out of Walworth. Perhaps your rejection of the idea was hasty? I know you deeply dislike me for no good reason but really any need for the last line especially as I wasn’t the only one who made the same point so will you be throwing that sentence at others? I thought my last sentence was remarkably restrained. If your immediate reaction to all suggestions wasn’t negative, perhaps you would get different reactions. I liken your replies to a referee who is always looking for something to penalise, rather than looking to prevent offences.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 9, 2020 11:43:30 GMT
I know you deeply dislike me for no good reason but really any need for the last line especially as I wasn’t the only one who made the same point so will you be throwing that sentence at others? I thought my last sentence was remarkably restrained. If your immediate reaction to all suggestions wasn’t negative, perhaps you would get different reactions. I liken your replies to a referee who is always looking for something to penalise, rather than looking to prevent offences. I’d rather be honest than sit there and be false - you’ve had many opportunities to PM me and discuss it properly rather than put a few sly comments in to a few posts.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 17, 2020 5:35:17 GMT
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Post by galwhv69 on Dec 2, 2020 15:58:09 GMT
Have noticed that the middle and rear door oyster readers are now getting fully removed
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 2, 2020 16:00:22 GMT
Have noticed that the middle and rear door oyster readers are now getting fully removed They were in the process of being removed before the pandemic however it seems to have been accelerated in the past few weeks.
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Post by galwhv69 on Dec 2, 2020 16:01:45 GMT
Have noticed that the middle and rear door oyster readers are now getting fully removed They were in the process of being removed before the pandemic however it seems to have been accelerated in the past few weeks. Ah Only noticed the first one today as earlier they were getting covered up with the vinyl sticker card things
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