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Post by londonbuses on Mar 25, 2023 0:13:29 GMT
That would take Eden Street back to the days when it took ages to get out to Cromwell Road because of the sheer amount of buses backed up. As I've previously said on another thread, I believe Eden Street should be made one way northbound. That would allow it to have two lanes on the section approaching the traffic lights, the left lane for buses towards Kingston Bridge and Richmond Road and the right lane for buses towards Cromwell Road - therefore buses wouldn't back up any further than they do nowadays. No extra buses would use the right turn filter from Clarence Street to Cromwell Road as the only routes being extended to Fairfield are ones crossing Kingston Bridge, so buses backing up here wouldn't be an issue. In fact that junction would be able to be massively simplified as the bus shortcut from Cromwell Road Bus Station to Wood Street could be removed, also giving more pedestrian space outside the Rotunda. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 25, 2023 7:00:54 GMT
That would take Eden Street back to the days when it took ages to get out to Cromwell Road because of the sheer amount of buses backed up. As I've previously said on another thread, I believe Eden Street should be made one way northbound. That would allow it to have two lanes on the section approaching the traffic lights, the left lane for buses towards Kingston Bridge and Richmond Road and the right lane for buses towards Cromwell Road - therefore buses wouldn't back up any further than they do nowadays. No extra buses would use the right turn filter from Clarence Street to Cromwell Road as the only routes being extended to Fairfield are ones crossing Kingston Bridge, so buses backing up here wouldn't be an issue. In fact that junction would be able to be massively simplified as the bus shortcut from Cromwell Road Bus Station to Wood Street could be removed, also giving more pedestrian space outside the Rotunda. I think the simplest solution would be to divert all bus traffic via Wheatfield Way, it was a surprisingly workable solution during the last Eden Street closure. It would allow a better interchange between routes terminating at Fairfield and heading towards Surbiton. There may even be space for new stands for the 85/371 on Brook Street as Ashdown Road could be used for access to the remaining part of Eden Street and the High Street. |
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Post by londonbuses on Mar 25, 2023 12:32:14 GMT
I think the simplest solution would be to divert all bus traffic via Wheatfield Way, it was a surprisingly workable solution during the last Eden Street closure. It would allow a better interchange between routes terminating at Fairfield and heading towards Surbiton. There may even be space for new stands for the 85/371 on Brook Street as Ashdown Road could be used for access to the remaining part of Eden Street and the High Street. I agree Wheatfield Way could take the bus traffic, but I don't think it's wide enough for permanent stops for the 71/85/281/406/418/465/K1/K2/K3/K4 to be installed - the pavement is very narrow. The expanded Fairfield would have an exit where the Cattle Market car park toilets are, and could have a right turn onto Wheatfield Way so the 57/65/111/131/213/216/285/371/411/481 wouldn't serve Eden Street and would run directly to Kingston Station or Cromwell Road, but this would block both carriageways on Wheatfield Way as opposed to just having an left turn and routes using Ashdown Road and Eden Street to turn around. However I think stops on Eden Street are necessary, unless the small section of shops between Wheatfield Way, Clarence Street and Weston Park could be gotten rid of (the Metro Bank and a travel shop), which would create a better pedestrian route to Fairfield Bus Station. Closing Eden Street southbound is much simpler, because all of the routes that use Eden Street can just stop at the expanded Fairfield Bus Station and at a new stop next to College Roundabout. |
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Post by thelondonthing on May 16, 2023 12:50:05 GMT
With the confirmation in March that redevelopment of Cromwell Road Bus Station will begin in December 2023, new and updated CG 'artist's impressions' of the new bus station are now available. 1. Revised main building - including retail unit and information kiosk - which you can compare with the original digital renders here, from November 2020. Most of the design is essentially the same, with only minor revisions, such as signage (switching to 'Kingston, Cromwell Road Bus Station' rather than 'Kingston Bus Station, Cromwell Road), and street furniture (removal of the outdoor seating area, and tweaks to design details). Also, spot the left-hand-drive New Routemaster with its doors facing the road; and the Stagecoach Enviro200 EV (!!)...  2. Substantially redesigned passenger thoroughfare (which you can again compare with the original design here).  The original design featured a full-length canopy made of what the architects called "mild steel with a three part epoxy finish", with pillars sinking into brick plinths. The new design is quite different, now using what is referred to as a "weathering steel" - similar to that used in the Ordsall Chord Bridge in Greater Manchester. Essentially, it looks like rusty metal to start with, and with the effects of weathering over time, the colour deepens further. In the image below, you can see - in addition to a New Routemaster on the K4 (!!?) - on the left, the original canopy design; on the upper right, the new weathering steel on day one; and below it, the "medium term appearance" of the weathering steel, showing how the colour will change in the coming years.  A major advantage of weathering steel is that it never needs to be painted or treated - it's simply left exposed to the elements. However, while I personally find this material quite beautiful, I'll be the first to admit that it's quite a... bold choice, and it may not be to everyone's tastes. Notably, this change is coming very late in the day - with demolition work due to begin in December, a fresh planning application that included this eleventh-hour design revision was submitted to Kingston Council just three weeks ago. The brick plinths are gone in the new design too - now replaced with "Anthracite Grey" steel cladding. According to the latest documentation, the reason for this change is that "the lower section would allow passengers or members of the public to climb up from ground level to the top of the brick plinths. From here, they may have been able to hang from the structure or vandalise high-level equipment." This is why we can't have nice things. 3. We also have our first view of what the new bus station will look like at night. This is the same view as the picture two-above this one, but with night-time illuminations in place. I wonder if the information centre will actually be staffed late into the night...  4. And finally, an external view of the new bus station at night.  So, there you go. |
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Post by TB123 on May 16, 2023 15:05:16 GMT
With the confirmation in March that redevelopment of Cromwell Road Bus Station will begin in December 2023, new and updated CG 'artist's impressions' of the new bus station are now available. 1. Revised main building and information centre, which you can compare with the original digital renders here, from November 2020. Most of the design is essentially the same, with only minor revisions, such as signage (switching to 'Kingston, Cromwell Road Bus Station' rather than 'Kingston Bus Station, Cromwell Road), and street furniture (removal of the outdoor seating area, and tweaks to design details). Also, spot the left-hand-drive New Routemaster with its doors facing the road; and the Stagecoach Enviro200 EV (!!)... 2. Substantially redesigned passenger thoroughfare (which you can again compare with the original design here). The original design featured a full-length canopy made of what the architects called "mild steel with a three part epoxy finish", with pillars sinking into brick plinths. The new design is quite different, now using what is referred to as a "weathering steel" - similar to that used in the Ordsall Chord Bridge in Greater Manchester. Essentially, it looks like rusty metal to start with, and with the effects of weathering over time, the colour deepens further. In the image below, you can see - in addition to a New Routemaster on the K4 (!!?) - the original canopy design on the left; on the upper right, the new weathering steel on day one; and below it, the "medium term appearance" of the weathering steel, showing how the colour will change in the coming years. A major advantage of weathering steel is that it never needs to be painted or treated - it's simply left exposed to the elements. However, while I personally find this material quite beautiful, I'll be the first to admit that it's quite a... bold choice, and it may not be to everyone's tastes. Notably, this change is coming very late in the day - with demolition work due to begin in December, a fresh planning application that included this eleventh-hour design revision was submitted to Kingston Council just three weeks ago. The brick plinths are gone in the new design too - now replaced with "Anthracite Grey" steel cladding. According to the latest documentation, the reason for this change is that "the lower section would allow passengers or members of the public to climb up from ground level to the top of the brick plinths. From here, they may have been able to hang from the structure or vandalise high-level equipment." This is why we can't have nice things. 3. We also have our first view of what the new bus station will look like at night. This is the same view as the picture two-above this one, but with night-time illuminations in place. I wonder if the information centre will actually be staffed late into the night... 4. And finally, an external view of the new bus station at night. So, there you go. Looks great |
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Post by LK65EBO on May 16, 2023 15:32:25 GMT
With the confirmation in March that redevelopment of Cromwell Road Bus Station will begin in December 2023, new and updated CG 'artist's impressions' of the new bus station are now available. 1. Revised main building - including retail unit and information kiosk - which you can compare with the original digital renders here, from November 2020. Most of the design is essentially the same, with only minor revisions, such as signage (switching to 'Kingston, Cromwell Road Bus Station' rather than 'Kingston Bus Station, Cromwell Road), and street furniture (removal of the outdoor seating area, and tweaks to design details). Also, spot the left-hand-drive New Routemaster with its doors facing the road; and the Stagecoach Enviro200 EV (!!)... 2. Substantially redesigned passenger thoroughfare (which you can again compare with the original design here). The original design featured a full-length canopy made of what the architects called "mild steel with a three part epoxy finish", with pillars sinking into brick plinths. The new design is quite different, now using what is referred to as a "weathering steel" - similar to that used in the Ordsall Chord Bridge in Greater Manchester. Essentially, it looks like rusty metal to start with, and with the effects of weathering over time, the colour deepens further. In the image below, you can see - in addition to a New Routemaster on the K4 (!!?) - on the left, the original canopy design; on the upper right, the new weathering steel on day one; and below it, the "medium term appearance" of the weathering steel, showing how the colour will change in the coming years. A major advantage of weathering steel is that it never needs to be painted or treated - it's simply left exposed to the elements. However, while I personally find this material quite beautiful, I'll be the first to admit that it's quite a... bold choice, and it may not be to everyone's tastes. Notably, this change is coming very late in the day - with demolition work due to begin in December, a fresh planning application that included this eleventh-hour design revision was submitted to Kingston Council just three weeks ago. The brick plinths are gone in the new design too - now replaced with "Anthracite Grey" steel cladding. According to the latest documentation, the reason for this change is that "the lower section would allow passengers or members of the public to climb up from ground level to the top of the brick plinths. From here, they may have been able to hang from the structure or vandalise high-level equipment." This is why we can't have nice things. 3. We also have our first view of what the new bus station will look like at night. This is the same view as the picture two-above this one, but with night-time illuminations in place. I wonder if the information centre will actually be staffed late into the night... 4. And finally, an external view of the new bus station at night. So, there you go. LT on the K4  |
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Post by thelondonthing on May 17, 2023 12:22:08 GMT
A tiny bit more info. Documentation from TfL's latest Programmes and Investment Committee meeting, held today, shows that the "target date" for construction (or, more accurately, demolition) to start on site is 3 December 2023.  £1.7m was spent on the project in TfL's 2022/23 fiscal year; specifically on 'completing the detailed design' for the new bus station. A further £4.3m has been allocated in FY2023/24, for "construction to commence" on the project. Given that works will continue into the following fiscal year, and that funding appears to have been allocated only to 'commence' construction, it's not yet clear if additional funding will be needed in FY2024/25 to complete the project. |
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Post by cardinal on May 17, 2023 13:09:31 GMT
With the confirmation in March that redevelopment of Cromwell Road Bus Station will begin in December 2023, new and updated CG 'artist's impressions' of the new bus station are now available. 1. Revised main building - including retail unit and information kiosk - which you can compare with the original digital renders here, from November 2020. Most of the design is essentially the same, with only minor revisions, such as signage (switching to 'Kingston, Cromwell Road Bus Station' rather than 'Kingston Bus Station, Cromwell Road), and street furniture (removal of the outdoor seating area, and tweaks to design details). Also, spot the left-hand-drive New Routemaster with its doors facing the road; and the Stagecoach Enviro200 EV (!!)... 2. Substantially redesigned passenger thoroughfare (which you can again compare with the original design here). The original design featured a full-length canopy made of what the architects called "mild steel with a three part epoxy finish", with pillars sinking into brick plinths. The new design is quite different, now using what is referred to as a "weathering steel" - similar to that used in the Ordsall Chord Bridge in Greater Manchester. Essentially, it looks like rusty metal to start with, and with the effects of weathering over time, the colour deepens further. In the image below, you can see - in addition to a New Routemaster on the K4 (!!?) - on the left, the original canopy design; on the upper right, the new weathering steel on day one; and below it, the "medium term appearance" of the weathering steel, showing how the colour will change in the coming years. A major advantage of weathering steel is that it never needs to be painted or treated - it's simply left exposed to the elements. However, while I personally find this material quite beautiful, I'll be the first to admit that it's quite a... bold choice, and it may not be to everyone's tastes. Notably, this change is coming very late in the day - with demolition work due to begin in December, a fresh planning application that included this eleventh-hour design revision was submitted to Kingston Council just three weeks ago. The brick plinths are gone in the new design too - now replaced with "Anthracite Grey" steel cladding. According to the latest documentation, the reason for this change is that "the lower section would allow passengers or members of the public to climb up from ground level to the top of the brick plinths. From here, they may have been able to hang from the structure or vandalise high-level equipment." This is why we can't have nice things. 3. We also have our first view of what the new bus station will look like at night. This is the same view as the picture two-above this one, but with night-time illuminations in place. I wonder if the information centre will actually be staffed late into the night... 4. And finally, an external view of the new bus station at night. So, there you go. That was a good read thank you ! Looks good in my opinion. I’ll also look forward to catching an LT on the K4 around the Mansfield Estate. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 8:10:01 GMT
Works will begin within the next three weeks and will last until Early 2025, a lane will be closed to allow the provision of a temporary pedestrian walkway.
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Post by londonbuses on Aug 8, 2023 8:55:08 GMT
Works will begin within the next three weeks and will last until Early 2025, a lane will be closed to allow the provision of a temporary pedestrian walkway. Surprised the works are starting a lot earlier than planned, I thought the provisional date for works to commence was December. Guessing the stops will be closed throughout, so Eden Street and Wood Street stops will likely be severely overcrowded throughout the works. Is there any information available yet on standing arrangements for the 71, 111, 216, 285, 406, 411, 418, 465, 481, K1 or the non-TfL routes while the bus station is closed? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 9:15:16 GMT
Works will begin within the next three weeks and will last until Early 2025, a lane will be closed to allow the provision of a temporary pedestrian walkway. Surprised the works are starting a lot earlier than planned, I thought the provisional date for works to commence was December. Guessing the stops will be closed throughout, so Eden Street and Wood Street stops will likely be severely overcrowded throughout the works. Is there any information available yet on standing arrangements for the 71, 111, 216, 285, 406, 411, 418, 465, 481, K1 or the non-TfL routes while the bus station is closed? There's no info anywhere about what's happening with the buses, it may be the case that the buses would only be affected later on. The dates were released on the councils website very very recently. There are some preparation works happening next week by TFL which will involve a temporary lane closure for a day. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 8, 2023 9:27:55 GMT
Surprised the works are starting a lot earlier than planned, I thought the provisional date for works to commence was December. Guessing the stops will be closed throughout, so Eden Street and Wood Street stops will likely be severely overcrowded throughout the works. Is there any information available yet on standing arrangements for the 71, 111, 216, 285, 406, 411, 418, 465, 481, K1 or the non-TfL routes while the bus station is closed? There's no info anywhere about what's happening with the buses, it may be the case that the buses would only be affected later on. The dates were released on the councils website very very recently. There are some preparation works happening next week by TFL which will involve a temporary lane closure for a day. I think you might be hearing zebras instead of horses. It looks like the TfL works are a bit further down the road. The first set are by number 18/20 Cromwell Road and the second a bit further down by Queen Elizabeth Road. The works by Kingston Council seem to be outside the bus station but are related to highway/footpath improvements so they could be doing prep work for the eventual demolition and rebuild. This doesn’t necessarily mean the demolition is starting on the 29th. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 9:35:19 GMT
There's no info anywhere about what's happening with the buses, it may be the case that the buses would only be affected later on. The dates were released on the councils website very very recently. There are some preparation works happening next week by TFL which will involve a temporary lane closure for a day. I think you might be hearing zebras instead of horses. It looks like the TfL works are a bit further down the road. The first set are by number 18/20 Cromwell Road and the second a bit further down by Queen Elizabeth Road. The works by Kingston Council seem to be outside the bus station but are related to highway/footpath improvements so they could be doing prep work for the eventual demolition and rebuild. This doesn’t necessarily mean the demolition is starting on the 29th. I never mentioned the demolition? I simply stated works are beginning in the next few weeks. Which involves a 24 hour closure of the lane next to the bus station until Early 2025 |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 8, 2023 9:39:23 GMT
I think you might be hearing zebras instead of horses. It looks like the TfL works are a bit further down the road. The first set are by number 18/20 Cromwell Road and the second a bit further down by Queen Elizabeth Road. The works by Kingston Council seem to be outside the bus station but are related to highway/footpath improvements so they could be doing prep work for the eventual demolition and rebuild. This doesn’t necessarily mean the demolition is starting on the 29th. I never mentioned the demolition? I simply stated works are beginning in the next few weeks. Which involves a 24 hour closure of the lane next to the bus station until Early 2025 I am simply informing you that the prep works you mentioned by TfL aren’t at the bus station, they are further down the road. They seem more closely related to a new building which is going up on the corner replacing the old nursery and church. The works being carried out in the lane by the bus station are being done by the council and not TfL. |
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Post by londonbuses on Aug 8, 2023 9:50:52 GMT
The Bus station has just been closed for "an emergency practice of a bus recovery," but can't help notice the standing arrangements seem quite similar to what might happen during the closure.
The diversions have the 111, 216, 285, 411 and 481 using the Wood Street stand, the 406 and 418 using the Sury Basin stand, and the 71, 465 and K1 using a temporary stand on Kingsgate Road (presumably this is the little used right turn lane).
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