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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 8, 2023 10:09:59 GMT
The Bus station has just been closed for "an emergency practice of a bus recovery," but can't help notice the standing arrangements seem quite similar to what might happen during the closure. The diversions have the 111, 216, 285, 411 and 481 using the Wood Street stand, the 406 and 418 using the Sury Basin stand, and the 71, 465 and K1 using a temporary stand on Kingsgate Road (presumably this is the little used right turn lane). This makes sense. I don't know whether the Wood Street stand means the one opposite Kingston Station or the bus stops named Wood Street, outside and opposite John Lewis. The former seems more likely, but this is only a one bus stand so don't know how 2 high frequency and 3 low frequency routes will fit in to the stand. It would also mean vehicles have to navigate the entire Kingston one way system to reach the stand, if the bus layby at Cromwell Bus Station is closed. Again, I'm not sure how 2 high frequency and 1 low frequency route will all fit into the right turn lane on Kingsgate Road (assuming it is that - it would make sense), personally I would send either the 71 or K1 into Fairfields, with the cuts to routes 57 and 213 one of them should be able to fit in as well. I also assume provincial services like the 715 will use the Birkenhead Road stand. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 8, 2023 10:40:12 GMT
The Bus station has just been closed for "an emergency practice of a bus recovery," but can't help notice the standing arrangements seem quite similar to what might happen during the closure. The diversions have the 111, 216, 285, 411 and 481 using the Wood Street stand, the 406 and 418 using the Sury Basin stand, and the 71, 465 and K1 using a temporary stand on Kingsgate Road (presumably this is the little used right turn lane). This makes sense. I don't know whether the Wood Street stand means the one opposite Kingston Station or the bus stops named Wood Street, outside and opposite John Lewis. The former seems more likely, but this is only a one bus stand so don't know how 2 high frequency and 3 low frequency routes will fit in to the stand. It would also mean vehicles have to navigate the entire Kingston one way system to reach the stand, if the bus layby at Cromwell Bus Station is closed. Again, I'm not sure how 2 high frequency and 1 low frequency route will all fit into the right turn lane on Kingsgate Road (assuming it is that - it would make sense), personally I would send either the 71 or K1 into Fairfields, with the cuts to routes 57 and 213 one of them should be able to fit in as well. I also assume provincial services like the 715 will use the Birkenhead Road stand. From my perspective I see no reason why the bus lane from the bus station to Wood Street would close. It would certainly aid standing arrangements on Wood Street as the 111 etc could stand there instead of making the stops outside John Lewis really busy. I know in the past they have done this for short term closures but it really isn’t favourable for a long term closure as it would affect through routes like the 281 and x26, although they could just as easily stop on Wood Street opposite the station instead. Although the 71/K1 could just as easily terminate at College Roundabout, outside the court or Brook Street and depart via Kingston Hall Road instead. I would personally drop the 85 to Fairfield instead temporarily. I think Birkenhead Avenue, the one by Tiffin Boys would be out as I’m pretty sure it’s no access now towards London Road. Pretty sure it’s blocked by the telephone exchange. Would have been around the time Wickes was being converted to Lidl. So only traffic heading towards Queen Elizabeth Road could use it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 11:13:20 GMT
This makes sense. I don't know whether the Wood Street stand means the one opposite Kingston Station or the bus stops named Wood Street, outside and opposite John Lewis. The former seems more likely, but this is only a one bus stand so don't know how 2 high frequency and 3 low frequency routes will fit in to the stand. It would also mean vehicles have to navigate the entire Kingston one way system to reach the stand, if the bus layby at Cromwell Bus Station is closed. Again, I'm not sure how 2 high frequency and 1 low frequency route will all fit into the right turn lane on Kingsgate Road (assuming it is that - it would make sense), personally I would send either the 71 or K1 into Fairfields, with the cuts to routes 57 and 213 one of them should be able to fit in as well. I also assume provincial services like the 715 will use the Birkenhead Road stand. From my perspective I see no reason why the bus lane from the bus station to Wood Street would close. It would certainly aid standing arrangements on Wood Street as the 111 etc could stand there instead of making the stops outside John Lewis really busy. I know in the past they have done this for short term closures but it really isn’t favourable for a long term closure as it would affect through routes like the 281 and x26, although they could just as easily stop on Wood Street opposite the station instead. Although the 71/K1 could just as easily terminate at College Roundabout, outside the court or Brook Street and depart via Kingston Hall Road instead. I would personally drop the 85 to Fairfield instead temporarily. I think Birkenhead Avenue, the one by Tiffin Boys would be out as I’m pretty sure it’s no access now towards London Road. Pretty sure it’s blocked by the telephone exchange. Would have been around the time Wickes was being converted to Lidl. So only traffic heading towards Queen Elizabeth Road could use it. Earlier this year before 111 converted to EV, there would occasionally be a LT on stand at Birkenhead Avenue, the buses have to loop around the school and then turn left before Lidl onto Birkenhead Avenue. |
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Post by londonbuses on Aug 8, 2023 11:17:32 GMT
The Bus station has just been closed for "an emergency practice of a bus recovery," but can't help notice the standing arrangements seem quite similar to what might happen during the closure. The diversions have the 111, 216, 285, 411 and 481 using the Wood Street stand, the 406 and 418 using the Sury Basin stand, and the 71, 465 and K1 using a temporary stand on Kingsgate Road (presumably this is the little used right turn lane). This makes sense. I don't know whether the Wood Street stand means the one opposite Kingston Station or the bus stops named Wood Street, outside and opposite John Lewis. The former seems more likely, but this is only a one bus stand so don't know how 2 high frequency and 3 low frequency routes will fit in to the stand. It would also mean vehicles have to navigate the entire Kingston one way system to reach the stand, if the bus layby at Cromwell Bus Station is closed. Again, I'm not sure how 2 high frequency and 1 low frequency route will all fit into the right turn lane on Kingsgate Road (assuming it is that - it would make sense), personally I would send either the 71 or K1 into Fairfields, with the cuts to routes 57 and 213 one of them should be able to fit in as well. I also assume provincial services like the 715 will use the Birkenhead Road stand. The Wood Street stand is the one outside Kingston station. Presumably if this was used as a long term stand during the works, the whole layby section including both Kingston Station stops would be used as a stand, and the buses first stop would be Wood Street. The 281 could temporarily stop at the 65/X26 stop opposite the Rotunda. The right turn lane on Kingsgate Road is roughly 60m (between the start of the lane and the car park exit which can't be blocked), so is easily long enough to fit 5 buses. Personally I would have the 406/418 standing on Kingsgate Road and the K1 standing at Sury Basin, as it won't be easy for double deckers to loop around the Sainsburys car park every 10 minutes, whereas the K1's 9m SDs would be fine. |
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Post by londonbuses on Aug 8, 2023 11:34:07 GMT
This makes sense. I don't know whether the Wood Street stand means the one opposite Kingston Station or the bus stops named Wood Street, outside and opposite John Lewis. The former seems more likely, but this is only a one bus stand so don't know how 2 high frequency and 3 low frequency routes will fit in to the stand. It would also mean vehicles have to navigate the entire Kingston one way system to reach the stand, if the bus layby at Cromwell Bus Station is closed. Again, I'm not sure how 2 high frequency and 1 low frequency route will all fit into the right turn lane on Kingsgate Road (assuming it is that - it would make sense), personally I would send either the 71 or K1 into Fairfields, with the cuts to routes 57 and 213 one of them should be able to fit in as well. I also assume provincial services like the 715 will use the Birkenhead Road stand. From my perspective I see no reason why the bus lane from the bus station to Wood Street would close. It would certainly aid standing arrangements on Wood Street as the 111 etc could stand there instead of making the stops outside John Lewis really busy. I know in the past they have done this for short term closures but it really isn’t favourable for a long term closure as it would affect through routes like the 281 and x26, although they could just as easily stop on Wood Street opposite the station instead. Although the 71/K1 could just as easily terminate at College Roundabout, outside the court or Brook Street and depart via Kingston Hall Road instead. I would personally drop the 85 to Fairfield instead temporarily. I think Birkenhead Avenue, the one by Tiffin Boys would be out as I’m pretty sure it’s no access now towards London Road. Pretty sure it’s blocked by the telephone exchange. Would have been around the time Wickes was being converted to Lidl. So only traffic heading towards Queen Elizabeth Road could use it. Personally I can't see how that bus lane could stay open, it is only accessible directly from the bus station, and there is absolutely no way any length bus would be able to turn directly from Cromwell Road into the bus lane. Not having the traffic lights for buses to cross Cromwell Road to access the bus lane in operation would also aid traffic flow around the one way system during the lane closure. I would suspect buses will have to loop the one way system to stand at Wood Street, potentially with widened headways, throughout the works. Having the 71 or K1 terminating at College Roundabout would be ridiculous, as the routes wouldn't properly serve the town centre, Kingsgate Road is a good location for these routes to stand. The Birkenhead Road stand is still accessible, but buses now have to follow the 57/213 around to the new Lidl and turn into Birkenhead Road there to access the stand, and when leaving the stand, buses turn directly onto Queen Elizabeth Road. This long loop would add too much time onto high frequency routes, but I would expect the non-TfL routes to stand here as well as some space being left for curtailed 57/213s as happens now. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 8, 2023 11:40:14 GMT
From my perspective I see no reason why the bus lane from the bus station to Wood Street would close. It would certainly aid standing arrangements on Wood Street as the 111 etc could stand there instead of making the stops outside John Lewis really busy. I know in the past they have done this for short term closures but it really isn’t favourable for a long term closure as it would affect through routes like the 281 and x26, although they could just as easily stop on Wood Street opposite the station instead. Although the 71/K1 could just as easily terminate at College Roundabout, outside the court or Brook Street and depart via Kingston Hall Road instead. I would personally drop the 85 to Fairfield instead temporarily. I think Birkenhead Avenue, the one by Tiffin Boys would be out as I’m pretty sure it’s no access now towards London Road. Pretty sure it’s blocked by the telephone exchange. Would have been around the time Wickes was being converted to Lidl. So only traffic heading towards Queen Elizabeth Road could use it. Personally I can't see how that bus lane could stay open, it is only accessible directly from the bus station, and there is absolutely no way any length bus would be able to turn directly from Cromwell Road into the bus lane. Not having the traffic lights for buses to cross Cromwell Road to access the bus lane in operation would also aid traffic flow around the one way system during the lane closure. I would suspect buses will have to loop the one way system to stand at Wood Street, potentially with widened headways, throughout the works. Having the 71 or K1 terminating at College Roundabout would be ridiculous, as the routes wouldn't properly serve the town centre, Kingsgate Road is a good location for these routes to stand. The Birkenhead Road stand is still accessible, but buses now have to follow the 57/213 around to the new Lidl and turn into Birkenhead Road to access the stand, and when leaving the stand, buses turn directly onto Queen Elizabeth Road. This long loop would add too much time onto high frequency routes, but I would expect the non-TfL routes to stand here as well as curtailed 57/213s as happens now. To be honest we don’t know how much of the bus station will remain open during the works. If it is only the central section then where the diagonal bays are and stops on the outside then perhaps those four bays the 406/418 use will remain in use and part of the site will remain open. This would then alllw set down at Wood Street by John Lewis, one way system then swing around the bus station as it’s pretty wide and then exit using the contra flow bus lane to stand on Wood Street. If it’s anything like when West Croydon was done they won’t touch the Road surface within the bus station. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 8, 2023 12:04:51 GMT
This makes sense. I don't know whether the Wood Street stand means the one opposite Kingston Station or the bus stops named Wood Street, outside and opposite John Lewis. The former seems more likely, but this is only a one bus stand so don't know how 2 high frequency and 3 low frequency routes will fit in to the stand. It would also mean vehicles have to navigate the entire Kingston one way system to reach the stand, if the bus layby at Cromwell Bus Station is closed. Again, I'm not sure how 2 high frequency and 1 low frequency route will all fit into the right turn lane on Kingsgate Road (assuming it is that - it would make sense), personally I would send either the 71 or K1 into Fairfields, with the cuts to routes 57 and 213 one of them should be able to fit in as well. I also assume provincial services like the 715 will use the Birkenhead Road stand. From my perspective I see no reason why the bus lane from the bus station to Wood Street would close. It would certainly aid standing arrangements on Wood Street as the 111 etc could stand there instead of making the stops outside John Lewis really busy. I know in the past they have done this for short term closures but it really isn’t favourable for a long term closure as it would affect through routes like the 281 and x26, although they could just as easily stop on Wood Street opposite the station instead. Although the 71/K1 could just as easily terminate at College Roundabout, outside the court or Brook Street and depart via Kingston Hall Road instead. I would personally drop the 85 to Fairfield instead temporarily. I think Birkenhead Avenue, the one by Tiffin Boys would be out as I’m pretty sure it’s no access now towards London Road. Pretty sure it’s blocked by the telephone exchange. Would have been around the time Wickes was being converted to Lidl. So only traffic heading towards Queen Elizabeth Road could use it. Regarding the bus lane from the bus station, I would have thought it would close as the bus station would be closed to all vehicles, and for buses to U-turn in the yellow box into the lane would cause significant disruption to traffic flow. The main problem with cutting the 71/K1 to Brook Street/College Roundabout (or the 85 to Fairfield for that matter) is that they would no longer serve Kingston properly. Additionally the K1 cannot serve Brook Street due to it approaching Kingston from Fairfield South. EDIT: Having seen your later reply, if only the part of the bus station where the buses stand and passengers wait is being redeveloped (as you said could be the case), then the 111 etc could use the bus layby to turn around easily. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 8, 2023 12:10:17 GMT
From my perspective I see no reason why the bus lane from the bus station to Wood Street would close. It would certainly aid standing arrangements on Wood Street as the 111 etc could stand there instead of making the stops outside John Lewis really busy. I know in the past they have done this for short term closures but it really isn’t favourable for a long term closure as it would affect through routes like the 281 and x26, although they could just as easily stop on Wood Street opposite the station instead. Although the 71/K1 could just as easily terminate at College Roundabout, outside the court or Brook Street and depart via Kingston Hall Road instead. I would personally drop the 85 to Fairfield instead temporarily. I think Birkenhead Avenue, the one by Tiffin Boys would be out as I’m pretty sure it’s no access now towards London Road. Pretty sure it’s blocked by the telephone exchange. Would have been around the time Wickes was being converted to Lidl. So only traffic heading towards Queen Elizabeth Road could use it. Earlier this year before 111 converted to EV, there would occasionally be a LT on stand at Birkenhead Avenue, the buses have to loop around the school and then turn left before Lidl onto Birkenhead Avenue. Yes I saw that about this time last year. I originally thought it was a route test for route 671 until I realised that route terminates at the other Tiffin School! For provincial routes that would be fine as they would turn left as required and serve Eden Street as the first stop, as opposed to the bus station. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 8, 2023 12:16:21 GMT
From my perspective I see no reason why the bus lane from the bus station to Wood Street would close. It would certainly aid standing arrangements on Wood Street as the 111 etc could stand there instead of making the stops outside John Lewis really busy. I know in the past they have done this for short term closures but it really isn’t favourable for a long term closure as it would affect through routes like the 281 and x26, although they could just as easily stop on Wood Street opposite the station instead. Although the 71/K1 could just as easily terminate at College Roundabout, outside the court or Brook Street and depart via Kingston Hall Road instead. I would personally drop the 85 to Fairfield instead temporarily. I think Birkenhead Avenue, the one by Tiffin Boys would be out as I’m pretty sure it’s no access now towards London Road. Pretty sure it’s blocked by the telephone exchange. Would have been around the time Wickes was being converted to Lidl. So only traffic heading towards Queen Elizabeth Road could use it. Regarding the bus lane from the bus station, I would have thought it would close as the bus station would be closed to all vehicles, and for buses to U-turn in the yellow box into the lane would cause significant disruption to traffic flow. The main problem with cutting the 71/K1 to Brook Street/College Roundabout (or the 85 to Fairfield for that matter) is that they would no longer serve Kingston properly. Additionally the K1 cannot serve Brook Street due to it approaching Kingston from Fairfield South. EDIT: Having seen your later reply, if only the part of the bus station where the buses stand and passengers wait is being redeveloped (as you said could be the case), then the 111 etc could use the bus layby to turn around easily. If we go by the Fairfield argument then none of the 57/131/213 service Kingston properly either. The only reason the 85 was extended was to provide more space at Fairfield so a temporary return wouldn’t be the worst thing. As for the 71/K1 again having them avoid the mess that will be Eden Street with extra people waiting wouldn’t be the worst thing. Removing them temporarily would allow more space for other passengers and buses to pick up and alight. But perhaps leave the 71 and remove the 465 instead. But anything to reduce the amount of buses as no doubt it will be chockablock with passengers waiting to get on buses. That is exactly my thinking for the 111 and 481 etc. Yes, some could stand on Wood Street outside John Lewis but it isn’t suitable for a long term closure as through routes like the x26 and 281 would suffer. So I’ll guess we’ll wait and see how they plan to do construction. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 8, 2023 12:16:37 GMT
This makes sense. I don't know whether the Wood Street stand means the one opposite Kingston Station or the bus stops named Wood Street, outside and opposite John Lewis. The former seems more likely, but this is only a one bus stand so don't know how 2 high frequency and 3 low frequency routes will fit in to the stand. It would also mean vehicles have to navigate the entire Kingston one way system to reach the stand, if the bus layby at Cromwell Bus Station is closed. Again, I'm not sure how 2 high frequency and 1 low frequency route will all fit into the right turn lane on Kingsgate Road (assuming it is that - it would make sense), personally I would send either the 71 or K1 into Fairfields, with the cuts to routes 57 and 213 one of them should be able to fit in as well. I also assume provincial services like the 715 will use the Birkenhead Road stand. The Wood Street stand is the one outside Kingston station. Presumably if this was used as a long term stand during the works, the whole layby section including both Kingston Station stops would be used as a stand, and the buses first stop would be Wood Street. The 281 could temporarily stop at the 65/X26 stop opposite the Rotunda. The right turn lane on Kingsgate Road is roughly 60m (between the start of the lane and the car park exit which can't be blocked), so is easily long enough to fit 5 buses. Personally I would have the 406/418 standing on Kingsgate Road and the K1 standing at Sury Basin, as it won't be easy for double deckers to loop around the Sainsburys car park every 10 minutes, whereas the K1's 9m SDs would be fine. Thank you for clarifying that. If the 281 used the 65/X26 bus stop, then the entire layby could be earmarked for 111 etc and then 4-5 buses could fit in the area at a time. The loading bay at the back could even be temporarily suspended to give space for an additional bus. Ah I didn't realise that the right turn lane was so long, and would agree with you re switching the 406/418 with the K1. As southlondon413 said, the 406/418 S stands could remain accessible, so they may not even have to share the Kingsgate Road layby with the 71/465. Or, alternatively, one of the Kingston Bridge routes could use the S stands with the K1 at Sury Basin and 406/418 at Kingsgate Road, as it seems to be long enough for 71/406/418/465. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 8, 2023 12:25:13 GMT
Regarding the bus lane from the bus station, I would have thought it would close as the bus station would be closed to all vehicles, and for buses to U-turn in the yellow box into the lane would cause significant disruption to traffic flow. The main problem with cutting the 71/K1 to Brook Street/College Roundabout (or the 85 to Fairfield for that matter) is that they would no longer serve Kingston properly. Additionally the K1 cannot serve Brook Street due to it approaching Kingston from Fairfield South. EDIT: Having seen your later reply, if only the part of the bus station where the buses stand and passengers wait is being redeveloped (as you said could be the case), then the 111 etc could use the bus layby to turn around easily. If we go by the Fairfield argument then none of the 57/131/213 service Kingston properly either. The only reason the 85 was extended was to provide more space at Fairfield so a temporary return wouldn’t be the worst thing. As for the 71/K1 again having them avoid the mess that will be Eden Street with extra people waiting wouldn’t be the worst thing. Removing them temporarily would allow more space for other passengers and buses to pick up and alight. But perhaps leave the 71 and remove the 465 instead. But anything to reduce the amount of buses as no doubt it will be chockablock with passengers waiting to get on buses. That is exactly my thinking for the 111 and 481 etc. Yes, some could stand on Wood Street outside John Lewis but it isn’t suitable for a long term closure as through routes like the x26 and 281 would suffer. So I’ll guess we’ll wait and see how they plan to do construction. I agree with that about Wood Street (outside John Lewis) - I completely forgot about the 281! However, despite how chockablock Kingston would get with buses and passengers, I don't think it would be a good idea to remove any bus services from Kingston temporarily. I understand it would be possible to change to the 406/418/K2/K3 with a total of 16bph, but I imagine that would be perceived badly, especially with those with mobility problems. A solution could be to terminate every other 71 at Brook Street and send the others to Kingsgate Road. |
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Post by beaver14uk on Aug 8, 2023 16:21:38 GMT
Incorrect the road surface at West Croydon was changed as were the standing arrangements. [quote timestamp="1691494447" source="/post/763804/thread" author=" londonbuses"]Personally I can't see how that bus lane could stay open, it is only accessible directly from the bus station, and there is absolutely no way any length bus would be able to turn directly from Cromwell Road into the bus lane. Not having the traffic lights for buses to cross Cromwell Road to access the bus lane in operation would also aid traffic flow around the one way system during the lane closure. I would suspect buses will have to loop the one way system to stand at Wood Street, potentially with widened headways, throughout the works. Having the 71 or K1 terminating at College Roundabout would be ridiculous, as the routes wouldn't properly serve the town centre, Kingsgate Road is a good location for these routes to stand. The Birkenhead Road stand is still accessible, but buses now have to follow the 57/213 around to the new Lidl and turn into Birkenhead Road to access the stand, and when leaving the stand, buses turn directly onto Queen Elizabeth Road. This long loop would add too much time onto high frequency routes, but I would expect the non-TfL routes to stand here as well as curtailed 57/213s as happens now. To be honest we don’t know how much of the bus station will remain open during the works. If it is only the central section then where the diagonal bays are and stops on the outside then perhaps those four bays the 406/418 use will remain in use and part of the site will remain open. This would then alllw set down at Wood Street by John Lewis, one way system then swing around the bus station as it’s pretty wide and then exit using the contra flow bus lane to stand on Wood Street. If it’s anything like when West Croydon was done they won’t touch the Road surface within the bus station.[/quote] |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 8, 2023 16:38:50 GMT
Incorrect the road surface at West Croydon was changed as were the standing arrangements. [quote timestamp="1691494447" source="/post/763804/thread" author=" londonbuses "]Personally I can't see how that bus lane could stay open, it is only accessible directly from the bus station, and there is absolutely no way any length bus would be able to turn directly from Cromwell Road into the bus lane. Not having the traffic lights for buses to cross Cromwell Road to access the bus lane in operation would also aid traffic flow around the one way system during the lane closure. I would suspect buses will have to loop the one way system to stand at Wood Street, potentially with widened headways, throughout the works. Having the 71 or K1 terminating at College Roundabout would be ridiculous, as the routes wouldn't properly serve the town centre, Kingsgate Road is a good location for these routes to stand. The Birkenhead Road stand is still accessible, but buses now have to follow the 57/213 around to the new Lidl and turn into Birkenhead Road to access the stand, and when leaving the stand, buses turn directly onto Queen Elizabeth Road. This long loop would add too much time onto high frequency routes, but I would expect the non-TfL routes to stand here as well as curtailed 57/213s as happens now. To be honest we don’t know how much of the bus station will remain open during the works. If it is only the central section then where the diagonal bays are and stops on the outside then perhaps those four bays the 406/418 use will remain in use and part of the site will remain open. This would then alllw set down at Wood Street by John Lewis, one way system then swing around the bus station as it’s pretty wide and then exit using the contra flow bus lane to stand on Wood Street. If it’s anything like when West Croydon was done they won’t touch the Road surface within the bus station. [/quote]Okay but that’s still a very minimal amount of work that could be carried out overnight or over one day, perhaps a Saturday night and all day the Sunday. There aren’t many residents that directly face the bus station and only the student block adjacent. To be honest if you live there close by you should be used to heavy traffic noise so a bit of overnight resurfacing really shouldn’t be a problem. Besides in my mind not every 111, 216, 285 or 481 would need to spin around, but having it available would free Wood Street by John Lewis from becoming overwhelmed with buses standing. |
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Post by beaver14uk on Aug 8, 2023 16:43:55 GMT
[ I am sure that was all looked into and clearly not possible. quote author=" southlondon413" source="/post/763839/thread" timestamp="1691512730"] Incorrect the road surface at West Croydon was changed as were the standing arrangements. To be honest we don’t know how much of the bus station will remain open during the works. If it is only the central section then where the diagonal bays are and stops on the outside then perhaps those four bays the 406/418 use will remain in use and part of the site will remain open. This would then alllw set down at Wood Street by John Lewis, one way system then swing around the bus station as it’s pretty wide and then exit using the contra flow bus lane to stand on Wood Street. If it’s anything like when West Croydon was done they won’t touch the Road surface within the bus station. [/quote]Okay but that’s still a very minimal amount of work that could be carried out overnight or over one day, perhaps a Saturday night and all day the Sunday. There aren’t many residents that directly face the bus station and only the student block adjacent. To be honest if you live there close by you should be used to heavy traffic noise so a bit of overnight resurfacing really shouldn’t be a problem. Besides in my mind not every 111, 216, 285 or 481 would need to spin around, but having it available would free Wood Street by John Lewis from becoming overwhelmed with buses standing. [/quote] |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 8, 2023 16:48:18 GMT
[ I am sure that was all looked into and clearly not possible. quote author=" southlondon413" source="/post/763839/thread" timestamp="1691512730"] Incorrect the road surface at West Croydon was changed as were the standing arrangements. To be honest we don’t know how much of the bus station will remain open during the works. If it is only the central section then where the diagonal bays are and stops on the outside then perhaps those four bays the 406/418 use will remain in use and part of the site will remain open. This would then alllw set down at Wood Street by John Lewis, one way system then swing around the bus station as it’s pretty wide and then exit using the contra flow bus lane to stand on Wood Street. If it’s anything like when West Croydon was done they won’t touch the Road surface within the bus station. Okay but that’s still a very minimal amount of work that could be carried out overnight or over one day, perhaps a Saturday night and all day the Sunday. There aren’t many residents that directly face the bus station and only the student block adjacent. To be honest if you live there close by you should be used to heavy traffic noise so a bit of overnight resurfacing really shouldn’t be a problem. Besides in my mind not every 111, 216, 285 or 481 would need to spin around, but having it available would free Wood Street by John Lewis from becoming overwhelmed with buses standing. [/quote] [/quote] Unless you know something it hasn’t yet been revealed what the arrangements will be for the closure. Everything mentioned here today is purely speculation and opinion based. As I’ve said before when Cromwell Road has been inaccessible in the past they have used Wood Street but that was typically a Sunday when the Ride London was on so there was no x26 or through 281 to consider. This would likely be at least a month and Wood Street just isn’t designed for that. |
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