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Post by george on Mar 3, 2019 10:28:47 GMT
Putney Heath, Green Man is alighting only, seems more a stand than a bus station as first stop is on the public road opposite the stands  If your going by this rule then 419 or any bus that terminates at Richmond bus station can't count. You can pick up a 337 from the bus station but in clapahm the route uses a stand. |
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Post by ronnie on Mar 3, 2019 11:40:35 GMT
I don't think any terminus that neither allows passengers to board or alight there can be described as a bus station: preferably they should allow both. Where does Edgware fall into that then? I think that one should be a bus station. Happy to stand corrected |
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Post by ronnie on Mar 3, 2019 11:41:49 GMT
Now that you mention the 133. The N133 does as well According to Wikipedia - "A bus station is a structure where city or intercity buses stop to pick up and drop off passengers. While the term bus depot also refers to a bus station, it can also refer to a bus garage. A bus station is larger than a bus stop, which is usually simply a place on the roadside, where buses can stop. It may be intended as a terminal station for a number of routes, or as a transfer station where the routes continue. Bus station platforms may be assigned to fixed bus lines, or variable in combination with a dynamic passenger information system." If the above is accepted would the 507 be included? as the Waterloo Cab Road would not be classed as a bus station. I think the Waterloo ones are all fairly contentious |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 3, 2019 11:56:29 GMT
According to Wikipedia - "A bus station is a structure where city or intercity buses stop to pick up and drop off passengers. While the term bus depot also refers to a bus station, it can also refer to a bus garage. A bus station is larger than a bus stop, which is usually simply a place on the roadside, where buses can stop. It may be intended as a terminal station for a number of routes, or as a transfer station where the routes continue. Bus station platforms may be assigned to fixed bus lines, or variable in combination with a dynamic passenger information system." If the above is accepted would the 507 be included? as the Waterloo Cab Road would not be classed as a bus station. I think the Waterloo ones are all fairly contentious None of the Waterloo terminals are bus stations though, there are just stands. |
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Post by COBO on Mar 3, 2019 13:14:01 GMT
Where does Edgware fall into that then? I think that one should be a bus station. Happy to stand corrected I'm know but according to his description he dosen't think any terminus that neither allows passengers to board or alight there can be described as a bus station: preferably they should allow both. But what about Edgware where terminating buses alight passengers at the tube Station but buses leaving Edgware pick passengers up at the bus station. |
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Post by VWH1414 on Mar 3, 2019 13:18:54 GMT
240 Starts at Edgware Bus Station and ends at Golders Green Bus Station
340 Starts at Edgware Bus Station and ends at Harrow Bus Station
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Post by londonbuses2018 on Mar 3, 2019 13:20:45 GMT
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Post by rif153 on Mar 3, 2019 13:36:53 GMT
I think that one should be a bus station. Happy to stand corrected I'm know but according to his description he dosen't think any terminus that neither allows passengers to board or alight there can be described as a bus station: preferably they should allow both. But what about Edgware where terminating buses alight passengers at the tube Station but buses leaving Edgware pick passengers up at the bus station. Sinilarly, at Victoria, passengers alight from the 13, 16, 52 and 170 in the Bus Station on Terminus Place and then pick up passengers on Wilton Road which is why I was hesitant to put the 13 on my inital list. Talking of the 13, North Finchley Bus Station has a similar arrangment where the last stop on the 13 and 460 is outside the Bus Station but the first stop on both routes is inside the bus station. This lead me to the conclusion the 13 doesn't really count. |
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Post by busaholic on Mar 3, 2019 15:19:49 GMT
I think that one should be a bus station. Happy to stand corrected I'm know but according to his description he dosen't think any terminus that neither allows passengers to board or alight there can be described as a bus station: preferably they should allow both. But what about Edgware where terminating buses alight passengers at the tube Station but buses leaving Edgware pick passengers up at the bus station. The last time I visited Edgware you probably weren't born, but there were two separate places where buses terminated. One I would certainly have described as a bus station and the other one too, probably. From what you say, passengers can get on there, so I'd call it a bus ststion. The old stands in Lewisham, at Rennell Street behind the Odeon, didn't constitute a bus station though, even if you could both leave and enter buses there. All the buses stood on the offside of the road(s) too, but as they were crew operated there wasn't perceived to be a problem with the arrangement. When the bus station opened a few yards from the station entrance it was welcomed by many, including myself, a local in those days, and you could board and alight. The only problem I foresaw was that it was too limited a space, with opo coming to fruition, and looking at the possibility of more staff reliefs taking there for New Cross and, possibly, Catford too. Now I wouldn't class it as a bus station, except in the directional sense i.e. meet you at the bus station. |
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Post by John tuthill on Mar 3, 2019 16:24:36 GMT
I was thinking of routes which start and end at bus stations and I came up with a list which of routes: 48, 69, 97, 102, 111, 149, 154, 156, 157, 181, 203, 210, 211, 216, 217, 221, 257, 260, 266, 285, 340, 419 and X26. Without muddying the waters too much on what is and isn't bus station, let's create a list of routes that both start and end at bus stations What is your definition of a bus station? Somewhere like Victoria or Turnpike Lane where you have designated bus stands under cover, or places like Golders Green Station where they park in the open? |
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Post by busaholic on Mar 3, 2019 17:15:40 GMT
I was thinking of routes which start and end at bus stations and I came up with a list which of routes: 48, 69, 97, 102, 111, 149, 154, 156, 157, 181, 203, 210, 211, 216, 217, 221, 257, 260, 266, 285, 340, 419 and X26. Without muddying the waters too much on what is and isn't bus station, let's create a list of routes that both start and end at bus stations What is your definition of a bus station? Somewhere like Victoria or Turnpike Lane where you have designated bus stands under cover, or places like Golders Green Station where they park in the open? Bus stations under cover have only ever been the exception in London. My definition would include other traffic being banned and, in some cases, the land actually being owned by TfL and its predecessors. Golders Green meets all the criteria, but I wouldn't really include the 'round the corner' bit in Finchley Road, because one stop doesn't make a bus station imo. Victoria was only covered for a small proportion of its existence, and then not completely because Terminus Place was never included. The various stops in Vauxhall Bridge Road have never been a bus station: in fact, how they're arranged these days makes a farce of the idea of an integrated transport system.The bus stops at Romford Station on the same side as the station entrance are exemplary though, and I'd almost be prepared to give it honorary bus station status if only similar arrangements pertained in the opposite direction! |
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Post by rif153 on Mar 3, 2019 17:34:17 GMT
I was thinking of routes which start and end at bus stations and I came up with a list which of routes: 48, 69, 97, 102, 111, 149, 154, 156, 157, 181, 203, 210, 211, 216, 217, 221, 257, 260, 266, 285, 340, 419 and X26. Without muddying the waters too much on what is and isn't bus station, let's create a list of routes that both start and end at bus stations What is your definition of a bus station? Somewhere like Victoria or Turnpike Lane where you have designated bus stands under cover, or places like Golders Green Station where they park in the open? I don't think the bus stands have to be undercover for it to be a bus station. I would call a piece of land which is a dedicated bus terminus/has infrastructure provisions for buses to call at. I wouldn't say the 81 starts at Hounslow Bus Station because the first stop on the route isn't in Hounslow Bus Station. Its not always black and white but here's a list I've made: Peckham Edmonton Green Tottenham Hale London Bridge Turnpike Lane Slough Kingston (Cromwell Road and Fairfield) Harrow Stratford (Broadway and City) Brent Cross Golders Green Chingford Edgware Watford Junction Finsbury Park (Blackstock Road and Wells Terrace) Vauxhall Hammersmith (Upper and Lower) Euston White City Staines Richmond Walthamstow Central Hounslow St James's Street Heathrow (Central and T5) Waltham Cross Canning Town Liverpool Street Putney Bridge Aldgate One's I don't think count: Ealing Hospital Uxbridge Lewisham Station Romford Station Clapham Junction |
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 3, 2019 17:56:01 GMT
What is your definition of a bus station? Somewhere like Victoria or Turnpike Lane where you have designated bus stands under cover, or places like Golders Green Station where they park in the open? I don't think the bus stands have to be undercover for it to be a bus station. I would call a piece of land which is a dedicated bus terminus/has infrastructure provisions for buses to call at. I wouldn't say the 81 starts at Hounslow Bus Station because the first stop on the route isn't in Hounslow Bus Station. Its not always black and white but here's a list I've made: Peckham Edmonton Green Tottenham Hale London Bridge Turnpike Lane Slough Kingston (Cromwell Road and Fairfield) Harrow Stratford (Broadway and City) Brent Cross Golders Green Chingford Edgware Watford Junction Finsbury Park (Blackstock Road and Wells Terrace) Vauxhall Hammersmith (Upper and Lower) Euston White City Staines Richmond Walthamstow Central Hounslow St James's Street Heathrow (Central and T5) Waltham Cross Canning Town Liverpool Street Putney Bridge Aldgate One's I don't think count: Ealing Hospital Uxbridge Lewisham Station Romford Station Clapham Junction Crystal Palace & West Croydon Edit:Streatham aswell |
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Post by rif153 on Mar 3, 2019 17:58:51 GMT
I don't think the bus stands have to be undercover for it to be a bus station. I would call a piece of land which is a dedicated bus terminus/has infrastructure provisions for buses to call at. I wouldn't say the 81 starts at Hounslow Bus Station because the first stop on the route isn't in Hounslow Bus Station. Its not always black and white but here's a list I've made: Peckham Edmonton Green Tottenham Hale London Bridge Turnpike Lane Slough Kingston (Cromwell Road and Fairfield) Harrow Stratford (Broadway and City) Brent Cross Golders Green Chingford Edgware Watford Junction Finsbury Park (Blackstock Road and Wells Terrace) Vauxhall Hammersmith (Upper and Lower) Euston White City Staines Richmond Walthamstow Central Hounslow St James's Street Heathrow (Central and T5) Waltham Cross Canning Town Liverpool Street Putney Bridge Aldgate One's I don't think count: Ealing Hospital Uxbridge Lewisham Station Romford Station Clapham Junction Crystal Palace & West Croydon Morden too |
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Post by snoggle on Mar 3, 2019 18:06:31 GMT
Its not always black and white but here's a list I've made: Peckham Edmonton Green Tottenham Hale London Bridge Turnpike Lane Slough Kingston (Cromwell Road and Fairfield) Harrow Stratford (Broadway and City) Brent Cross Golders Green Chingford Edgware Watford Junction Finsbury Park (Blackstock Road and Wells Terrace) Vauxhall Hammersmith (Upper and Lower) Euston White City Staines Richmond Walthamstow Central Hounslow St James's Street Heathrow (Central and T5) Waltham Cross Canning Town Liverpool Street Putney Bridge Aldgate One's I don't think count: Ealing Hospital Uxbridge Lewisham Station Romford Station Clapham Junction Do Addington Village Interchange and Hatton Cross qualify or not? |
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