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Post by snoggle on Apr 24, 2019 20:31:36 GMT
Ensign decide to return to London tendering and purchase GY Just as well there was an enormous smiley on your post. I suspect hell will freeze over before the Newmans opted to return to the TfL tendering regime. They really no not like it.
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 24, 2019 20:34:00 GMT
Anything to get the 158 and 230 back Stagecoach making Tottenham Garage the London Head Office would be something Leaving them free to store Edmonton's junk at West Ham Wood Green, Palmers Green and Enfield could go to Tower Transit and Metroline, the South London garages could be split between Go Ahead and Abellio... the problem with these threads is the speculation is so contagious Ensign decide to return to London tendering and purchase GY Ensign to put the noisy VLAs they bought from Arriva back on the 370 after purchasing GY
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Post by dennistas on Apr 24, 2019 20:39:21 GMT
Joke to aside I can't believe Arriva is leaving!
Will be patiently waiting till the 3rd of May to get more information and will chase up managment at Stagecoach next week if they hear anything.
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Post by busaholic on Apr 24, 2019 20:53:05 GMT
I think that London bus operations will be a sideshow in all this. The CMA will likely see TfL as the arbiter of what market share any operator is allowed under their regime. It is not as though either Arriva or Stagecoach is anything like a free agent in running bus services in London, with the latter at least choosing to leave of their own free will, then equally choosing to come back of their own volition by buying McQuarrie's operations. Certainly in East London I can't see a Stagecoach/Arriva synergy being acceptable, although selective sell-offs might just help the medicine go down. Arriva and Stagecoach in South London are hardly competing for the same routes, with maybe the very odd exception.
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 24, 2019 20:57:33 GMT
Joke to aside I can't believe Arriva is leaving! Arriva is not a work colleague retiring after several years of service at the local Council in the Finance Team I think Arriva will just have new owners, but won't disappear into the history books like Maplin or Toys R Us. The name is good for an international market, Stagecoach is good as well, but I always think of the theatrical acting classes for kids
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Post by snoggle on Apr 24, 2019 22:33:15 GMT
Joke to aside I can't believe Arriva is leaving! Will be patiently waiting till the 3rd of May to get more information and will chase up managment at Stagecoach next week if they hear anything. Please take a chill pill. No one knows what will happen. No one at Stagecoach London will have a clue about the prospective sale of Arriva on 3 May. Forever speculating about it won't change a thing. Grief this place is worse than a room full of hyperactive 5 year olds. Rampant wild speculation about everything from logos to garage divestment to route transfers.
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Post by dennistas on Apr 24, 2019 22:38:45 GMT
Joke to aside I can't believe Arriva is leaving! Will be patiently waiting till the 3rd of May to get more information and will chase up managment at Stagecoach next week if they hear anything. Please take a chill pill. No one knows what will happen. No one at Stagecoach London will have a clue about the prospective sale of Arriva on 3 May. Forever speculating about it won't change a thing. Grief this place is worse than a room full of hyperactive 5 year olds. Rampant wild speculation about everything from logos to garage divestment to route transfers. I agree with you and thanks for the advice. Some drivers at Stagecoach are just going mad over this Arriva rumours and making me get over excited. What is your ideas and predictions about the Arriva sale? It's good to get different ideas.
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Post by Ted Barclay on Apr 24, 2019 22:51:42 GMT
Joke to aside I can't believe Arriva is leaving! Will be patiently waiting till the 3rd of May to get more information and will chase up managment at Stagecoach next week if they hear anything. You will have to wait a lot longer than 3rd May. That is the CLOSING date for expressions of interest. Those expressions will have to be considered by DB before any announcement is made. That process could take weeks or months before any public pronouncement. There are Stock Exchange rules which all parties in a sale must adhere to, I find it incredible that anybody would think a manager or even a bus driver at garage level has the latest 'gen' about delicate financial discussions. I doubt at this stage that even Arriva directors know any more. Please just wait and see. Pointless speculation is not going to change the outcome. Ted B
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 25, 2019 0:54:56 GMT
Joke to aside I can't believe Arriva is leaving! Will be patiently waiting till the 3rd of May to get more information and will chase up managment at Stagecoach next week if they hear anything. You will have to wait a lot longer than 3rd May. That is the CLOSING date for expressions of interest. Those expressions will have to be considered by DB before any announcement is made. That process could take weeks or months before any public pronouncement. There are Stock Exchange rules which all parties in a sale must adhere to, I find it incredible that anybody would think a manager or even a bus driver at garage level has the latest 'gen' about delicate financial discussions. I doubt at this stage that even Arriva directors know any more. Please just wait and see. Pointless speculation is not going to change the outcome. Ted B Arriva is not listed on the London Stock Exchange ... so do not have to abide by their rules ... but otherwise ... spot on!
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Post by dennistas on Apr 25, 2019 1:16:27 GMT
Right I have decided to stay away from this thread, this Arriva sale "rumours" are just getting out of hand not on the forum but at Stagecoach.
Arriva are not going anywhere in the foreseeable future and as I've said who ever buys it will most likely continue as Arriva. Bear in mind they have loads of garages and recently won routes.
Established that canteen gossip doesn't do any good apart from confuse people and even other drivers like my self so who ever comes to me with "Arriva are leaving", I will immediately confirm that it's a load of nonesense and that "is not" the case. Will do my best to stop these whats app discussions about this nonesense.
As we all know pre 2010 Arriva had nothing to do with DB and it continued running so nothing says it cannot now.
Keep going Arriva, your doing well 👍👌👉
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 25, 2019 4:46:27 GMT
An interesting articleMentions it would like any potential bidders to express their interest for it within the next two weeks. Although it does also say that Arriva may once again be floated on the stock market, in which case it would be interesting to see if any major companies decide to buy shares. Also worth mentioning is that DB are open to Arriva being split up, and if any existing operator want to pick it up I imagine they'll have no choice but to split it in some form or the other. It was in the news that Sports Direct have suddenly lost interest in the £150m rescue of Debenhams... all starting to add up now The rail ops could be sold off, and the successful bidder (more than likely Stagecoach) could buy Arriva UK Bus as a whole. Other European operators could run the Arriva brand under license, the same way individual firms operate National Express coach services under one livery Like a large turd in a toilet with a weak flush, it needs to be broken up before it can be got rid of There's talk of Rotala picking off bits of the carcass as the vultures circle... www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-6924093/SMALL-CAP-IDEAS-Ambitious-bus-group-Rotala-looks-ready-market-heads-shake-up.htmlI'd like to see the Arriva name survive, it will be interesting what happens next I honestly couldn't work out for a minute then if the Rotala article was a "ServerKing Special" or a genuine article 😂 , Would be good if it was broken up into pieces and smaller companies could get some of it and grow but I think the most likely outcome will be a Big company or a combination will buy Arriva and still use the name for a while who knows maybe Mr Branson and Mr Souter could be going in for a joint operation like they have on Virgin Trains and East Midland , And National Express Coaches are they not operated in a Tfl like fashion where companies bid and whoever puts in the best offer gets the contract for said route for ex amount of years ? With just the Airport operations operates in-house ?
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Post by Ted Barclay on Apr 25, 2019 9:40:24 GMT
You will have to wait a lot longer than 3rd May. That is the CLOSING date for expressions of interest. Those expressions will have to be considered by DB before any announcement is made. That process could take weeks or months before any public pronouncement. There are Stock Exchange rules which all parties in a sale must adhere to, I find it incredible that anybody would think a manager or even a bus driver at garage level has the latest 'gen' about delicate financial discussions. I doubt at this stage that even Arriva directors know any more. Please just wait and see. Pointless speculation is not going to change the outcome. Ted B Arriva is not listed on the London Stock Exchange ... so do not have to abide by their rules ... but otherwise ... spot on! Thanks for that.!
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 25, 2019 10:01:31 GMT
It was in the news that Sports Direct have suddenly lost interest in the £150m rescue of Debenhams... all starting to add up now The rail ops could be sold off, and the successful bidder (more than likely Stagecoach) could buy Arriva UK Bus as a whole. Other European operators could run the Arriva brand under license, the same way individual firms operate National Express coach services under one livery Like a large turd in a toilet with a weak flush, it needs to be broken up before it can be got rid of There's talk of Rotala picking off bits of the carcass as the vultures circle... www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-6924093/SMALL-CAP-IDEAS-Ambitious-bus-group-Rotala-looks-ready-market-heads-shake-up.htmlI'd like to see the Arriva name survive, it will be interesting what happens next Could see a return of South London and Leaside names much like when Stagecoach sold up. Difference here is you would potentially be buying the Arriva name as well, so would be no obligation to change ... unlike when Stagecoach sold to ELBG
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Post by sid on Apr 25, 2019 10:51:04 GMT
Please take a chill pill. No one knows what will happen. No one at Stagecoach London will have a clue about the prospective sale of Arriva on 3 May. Forever speculating about it won't change a thing. Grief this place is worse than a room full of hyperactive 5 year olds. Rampant wild speculation about everything from logos to garage divestment to route transfers. I agree with you and thanks for the advice. Some drivers at Stagecoach are just going mad over this Arriva rumours and making me get over excited. What is your ideas and predictions about the Arriva sale? It's good to get different ideas. I don't know anymore than the next person but I wouldn't think TfL would be very happy about Stagecoach taking over the entire Arriva London operation. Maybe they'll have to divest a garage or two possibly to Tower Transit? And maybe CT Plus taking over the entire AE operation? Purely guesswork on my part but I don't see any problem discussing the potential sale of a bus operator on a bus forum.
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 25, 2019 11:20:49 GMT
Whatever happens it is unlikely Rotala will be entering the London contract market, as they explicitly stated they were not interested when they floated on the Stock Market.
If they get anything from any future sale of Arriva, it is likely to be operations that are divested by a major buyer.
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