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Post by John tuthill on Jun 23, 2020 9:34:29 GMT
Back in the day the 36 three sections throughout the day of Lewisham to Victoria, Lewisham to Paddington and NX to Queens Park and still struggled. Oh wow, I remember seeing Routemasters running on the 36 along Lewisham Way when I was young. Then the route suddenly disappeared overnight and I had no idea why š That was so long ago. God, I feel old. Here's something to soften the blow(Ian Armstrongs bus page)  Attachment DeletedI felt the same(old that is) when SW seemed to lose all its RTLs overnight According to Ian Armstrongs excellent page, it was withdraw south of New Cross Gate and replaced by the 436 in Feb 03. hence the 'disappearance act'  |
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Post by greg on Jun 23, 2020 11:21:30 GMT
73 could be one as you can use the 476 from Stoke Newington to Kingās Cross and the 390 from Kingās Cross to Victoria.
25 has the 86/425 between Ilford and Stratford, and the 425 even further to Mile End
and then the 205 from Mile End to Aldgate
and the 8 between Bank and City Thameslink
if TFL were really out of their mind, could actually do some changes to these routes
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Post by Nathan on Jun 23, 2020 13:24:51 GMT
Oh wow, I remember seeing Routemasters running on the 36 along Lewisham Way when I was young. Then the route suddenly disappeared overnight and I had no idea why š That was so long ago. God, I feel old. Here's something to soften the blow(Ian Armstrongs bus page) View AttachmentI felt the same(old that is) when SW seemed to lose all its RTLs overnight According to Ian Armstrongs excellent page, it was withdraw south of New Cross Gate and replaced by the 436 in Feb 03. hence the 'disappearance act' Haha thanks for sharing that photo. Reminded me of how Lewisham in the background used to look like too (before they got rid of the roundabout). |
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Post by Steve Macz on Jun 24, 2020 12:21:04 GMT
Back in the day the 36 three sections throughout the day of Lewisham to Victoria, Lewisham to Paddington and NX to Queens Park and still struggled. I remember as a young kid in the 90s. remember waiting for a 36 one Sunday evening (Titans/Leyland Olympians on instead of Routemasters) We waited at Camberwell for a Lewisham bound 36. All other 36s were either New Cross terminators.  Must have been over 30 mins. I was telling my mum to get on a 171 instead, we got off top of Shardeloes Road and walked it rest of the way to St Johns. Where my aunt was living. I was 8 at the time . |
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Post by Steve Macz on Jun 24, 2020 12:42:41 GMT
Iād say the 415 is an unnecessary route. But I think with demand. Itās become a popular route. Already this route is covered by the 2/432 Tulse Hill - Brixton covered. They diverted the 333 away via Stockwell. So that the 415 could take over its pre-route. Duplicates that bit of running down Brixton road with the 133 all the way to Elephant. Then the icing is the neat new link. For Old Kent road Tesco section - duplicated by the 53, 63 and friends. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 24, 2020 13:00:45 GMT
Iād say the 415 is an unnecessary route. But I think with demand. Itās become a popular route. Already this route is covered by the 2/432 Tulse Hill - Brixton covered. They diverted the 333 away via Stockwell. So that the 415 could take over its pre-route. Duplicates that bit of running down Brixton road with the 133 all the way to Elephant. Then the icing is the neat new link. For Old Kent road Tesco section - duplicated but the 53, 63 and friends. At one point, I did agree it wasn't needed but the Old Kent Road extension has breathed new life into the route and I certainly wouldn't remove it now. The 333 was diverted to provide a link from Brixton Hill to Stockwell and has become popular as I expected it would. The 415's introduction was to provide a new link from Tulse Hill Estate to Oval & Kennington. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 24, 2020 15:13:22 GMT
Iād say the 415 is an unnecessary route. But I think with demand. Itās become a popular route. Already this route is covered by the 2/432 Tulse Hill - Brixton covered. They diverted the 333 away via Stockwell. So that the 415 could take over its pre-route. Duplicates that bit of running down Brixton road with the 133 all the way to Elephant. Then the icing is the neat new link. For Old Kent road Tesco section - duplicated but the 53, 63 and friends. At one point, I did agree it wasn't needed but the Old Kent Road extension has breathed new life into the route and I certainly wouldn't remove it now. The 333 was diverted to provide a link from Brixton Hill to Stockwell and has become popular as I expected it would. The 415's introduction was to provide a new link from Tulse Hill Estate to Oval & Kennington. They could merge the 415 and 432 thou which would maintain the new links like the round the corner link at Elephant and a link from Upper Tulse Hill to Elaphant with maybe an increase to the 2 and new merged route to cope between Tulse Hill and Elephant. The 333 was a genius way of linking Brixton Hill and Stockwell restoring a link lost in 1988 when the 50 was slid southwards and gave the 333 a proper identity rather then just the snipped off end of the 133. |
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Post by 6HP502C on Jun 24, 2020 21:39:28 GMT
Iād say the 415 is an unnecessary route. But I think with demand. Itās become a popular route. Already this route is covered by the 2/432 Tulse Hill - Brixton covered. They diverted the 333 away via Stockwell. So that the 415 could take over its pre-route. Duplicates that bit of running down Brixton road with the 133 all the way to Elephant. Then the icing is the neat new link. For Old Kent road Tesco section - duplicated by the 53, 63 and friends. The capacity the 415 provides is needed on the Tulse Hill corridor in the peaks. |
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Post by Nathan on Jun 24, 2020 21:57:29 GMT
Iād say the 415 is an unnecessary route. But I think with demand. Itās become a popular route. Already this route is covered by the 2/432 Tulse Hill - Brixton covered. They diverted the 333 away via Stockwell. So that the 415 could take over its pre-route. Duplicates that bit of running down Brixton road with the 133 all the way to Elephant. Then the icing is the neat new link. For Old Kent road Tesco section - duplicated by the 53, 63 and friends. The capacity the 415 provides is needed on the Tulse Hill corridor in the peaks. So what if we extended the 432 and bumped the PVR? š¤ |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 24, 2020 22:01:38 GMT
I still think of the 333 as new route when its 17 years old now.
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Post by 6HP502C on Jun 24, 2020 22:35:53 GMT
The capacity the 415 provides is needed on the Tulse Hill corridor in the peaks. So what if we extended the 432 and bumped the PVR? š¤ The 432 runs more frequently than the 415 so it would cost more to operate the section between Brixton and Old Kent Road, which already has enough buses to meet demand. Then you'd need to find an extra 5bph to service the Tulse Hill corridor in the peaks if the 415 is removed. If the 432 becomes a 12 or even 10bph route, that would seriously over service the section between Tulse Hill and Anerley, which again costs Ā£Ā£Ā£s and adds nothing new to the network. Something would also have to be done about the Old Kent Road. Commuters there rely on buses and without the 415 there would not be sufficient service towards the Elephant in the mornings. A route like the 415 provided a more efficient solution serving the densely populated Tulse Hill area and gave people journey opportunities they didn't already have - across Brixton to Kennington and Elephant and now the swing round into South East London. With more developments to come in the Old Kent Road area it'll be interesting to see what will happen in future. |
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Post by londonboy71 on Jun 25, 2020 9:01:15 GMT
73 could be one as you can use the 476 from Stoke Newington to Kingās Cross and the 390 from Kingās Cross to Victoria. 25 has the 86/425 between Ilford and Stratford, and the 425 even further to Mile End and then the 205 from Mile End to Aldgate and the 8 between Bank and City Thameslink if TFL were really out of their mind, could actually do some changes to these routes You obviously have no knowledge of London Bus History .73 has been around for ever 476 is the newbie. 73 is very busy route always has been.Stoke Newington Angel Kings X Euston TCR Oxford Street ( not OXO that's in Blackfriars) Marble Arch Hyde Park Kensington Hammersmith Barnes Sheen Richmond. It even got extended to Hounslow on Sundays. A proper route |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 25, 2020 9:05:50 GMT
73 could be one as you can use the 476 from Stoke Newington to Kingās Cross and the 390 from Kingās Cross to Victoria. 25 has the 86/425 between Ilford and Stratford, and the 425 even further to Mile End and then the 205 from Mile End to Aldgate and the 8 between Bank and City Thameslink if TFL were really out of their mind, could actually do some changes to these routes You obviously have no knowledge of London Bus History .73 has been around for ever 476 is the newbie. 73 is very busy route always has been.Stoke Newington Angel Kings X Euston TCR Oxford Street ( not OXO that's in Blackfriars) Marble Arch Hyde Park Kensington Hammersmith Barnes Sheen Richmond. It even got extended to Hounslow on Sundays. A proper route The 73 like many other routes is a shadow of what it used to be......... extend it to Northumberland Park and remove the 476 which is largely superfluous would be an obvious way to make savings. |
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Post by John tuthill on Jun 25, 2020 9:36:13 GMT
73 could be one as you can use the 476 from Stoke Newington to Kingās Cross and the 390 from Kingās Cross to Victoria. 25 has the 86/425 between Ilford and Stratford, and the 425 even further to Mile End and then the 205 from Mile End to Aldgate and the 8 between Bank and City Thameslink if TFL were really out of their mind, could actually do some changes to these routes You obviously have no knowledge of London Bus History .73 has been around for ever 476 is the newbie. 73 is very busy route always has been.Stoke Newington Angel Kings X Euston TCR Oxford Street ( not OXO that's in Blackfriars) Marble Arch Hyde Park Kensington Hammersmith Barnes Sheen Richmond. It even got extended to Hounslow on Sundays. A proper route I agree. Look at the time required on the time card, 1964,(Ian Armstrongs page)imagine how long Stoke Newington to Hounslow would take today(Thermos and a blanket i think) Attachment Deleted |
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Post by greg on Jun 25, 2020 22:28:06 GMT
73 could be one as you can use the 476 from Stoke Newington to Kingās Cross and the 390 from Kingās Cross to Victoria. 25 has the 86/425 between Ilford and Stratford, and the 425 even further to Mile End and then the 205 from Mile End to Aldgate and the 8 between Bank and City Thameslink if TFL were really out of their mind, could actually do some changes to these routes You obviously have no knowledge of London Bus History .73 has been around for ever 476 is the newbie. 73 is very busy route always has been.Stoke Newington Angel Kings X Euston TCR Oxford Street ( not OXO that's in Blackfriars) Marble Arch Hyde Park Kensington Hammersmith Barnes Sheen Richmond. It even got extended to Hounslow on Sundays. A proper route d*mn, that was kinda rude. Let me clarify, I am one of the younger users on the forum, being 14. So, yeah, I 100% agree and know 73 is the busier route and has been for all itās time, both routes are local to me at the central end. I only said the 73 was well āuselessā, of course itās not but because 476 covers most of the route and more. If the 476 was extended to Oxford Circus, it would duplicate the 73 and also that Stoke Newington to Northumberland Park is longer. |
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Must have been over 30 mins. I was telling my mum to get on a 171 instead, we got off top of Shardeloes Road and walked it rest of the way to St Johns. Where my aunt was living. I was 8 at the time 
