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Post by busaholic on Sept 3, 2019 17:13:23 GMT
palacefan made no attempt to argue with the tenets of my argument concerning so-called unnecessary bus routes,instead taking umbrage with my cheek in bringing the subject of powerful politicians into it, as though my comments or thoughts on these 'gentlemen' posed some sort of threat to them. I suspect it was my reference to Boris Johnson that particularly irked him, just as Sid always rose to the bait over his idol. I believe in holding powerful politicians to account, and this is my small way of having my voice heard. When someone on here then starts making personal assumptions about me, a non-public figure they know nothing about, then I reserve the right to respond in a jocular way. I personally don't intend to get into any long-running spats on here, oe even short-running ones come to that. There are already a couple of regular contributors I never respond to for that reason, because I can see what they're after. So, as far as I'm concerned, discussion over. P.S. I never write anything with a view to getting 'likes' but then equally I never write anything with a view to 'getting at' any contributor either. I just wonder why you keep hijacking various threads to slag off people you don't like? If you want to berate Boris Johnson or anybody else perhaps you could start a new thread on the subject. Here we go again.... I'm sure I don't just speak for myself when I say I shall have a sleepless night ahead without hearing your views on the subject of 'unnecessary routes' which have been sadly lacking in your various contributions so far. |
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Post by danorak on Sept 4, 2019 13:47:38 GMT
At the risk of derailing this further, where is Sid?
On the point of the thread itself, the 48 is a bit of a special case in that it is paralleled by the 55 for probably 85-90% of its length. It's a bit different to some of the other routes mentioned that are covered by other services, but only by a succession of overlaps.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 4, 2019 15:56:53 GMT
At the risk of derailing this further, where is Sid? On the point of the thread itself, the 48 is a bit of a special case in that it is paralleled by the 55 for probably 85-90% of its length. It's a bit different to some of the other routes mentioned that are covered by other services, but only by a succession of overlaps. 357 I still worst, should have been scrapped or altered years ago |
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Post by londonboy71 on Sept 5, 2019 8:27:46 GMT
Route 140 could be deemed as unnecessary as it only has two stops that it doesn't share with another regular day route: 'Barnhill Community School' (which is only also served by school route 696) and 'Wood End Lane'. The route is duplicated by routes 105 and 111 from Heathrow Central (start) to New Road, duplicated by route 90 from Harlington Corner to Hesa Road, duplicated by route E6 from The Grapes to Willow Tree Lane, stops at Barnhill Community School, duplicated by route 90 from Kingshill Avenue to Northolt Station, duplicated by route 395 from Northolt Station to Castle Road, serves Wood End Lane, duplicated by routes 487 and 398 from Danemead Grove to Corbins Lane, duplicated by route 114 from South Harrow Station to Harrow Bus Station, duplicated by routes 258 and 340 from Harrow Town Centre to Long Elmes / Harrow Weald Bus Garage (end). Obviously, it really isn't unnecessary due to its orbital nature and it being one of the top 10 busiest routes in London. Route 460 could be deemed unnecessary as it is duplicated by route 13 from North Finchley Bus Station (start) to Llanvanor Road and then by route 260 from Childs Hill / Finchley Road to Pound Lane (end). Route 68 is duplicated by route 168 from Euston (start) to Elephant & Castle and then by route 468 from Elephant & Castle to West Norwood (end). Route 205 only serves its first stop Cleveland Terrace solely, then duplicated by route 27 from Paddington Station to Great Portland Street Station / Euston Road, duplicated by route 30 from Warren Street Station to Penton Street, duplicated by route 214 from Angel Station to Old Street Station, duplicated by route 135 from Shoreditch Fire Station to St Botolph Street and then duplicated by route 25 from Aldgate East Station to Bow Church (end). Route 135 is duplicated by route route D6 from Crossharbour Asda to Jack Dash House, duplicated by route D7 from Stewart Street to Salter Street, duplicated by route D3 from Limehouse Police Station to Limehouse Station, duplicated by routes 15 and 115 from Stepney Methodist Church and Aldgate East Station, duplicated by route 205 from Duke's Place to Old Street Roundabout and shares stop Moorfields Eye Hospital (last stop) with routes 21, 76, 141 and 271 Duplication or there for a purpose. The 205 was introduced to provide an alternative to the Circle line for people travelling between main line stations. 205 back in the day was known as Station Link Paddington Euston Kings X L8verpoop Street London Bridge Waterloo Victoria back to Paddington |
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Post by cl54 on Sept 5, 2019 14:38:06 GMT
Duplication or there for a purpose. The 205 was introduced to provide an alternative to the Circle line for people travelling between main line stations. 205 back in the day was known as Station Link Paddington Euston Kings X L8verpoop Street London Bridge Waterloo Victoria back to Paddington It wasn't. It partially replaced Station Link which did not have a route number. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 5, 2019 17:05:50 GMT
205 back in the day was known as Station Link Paddington Euston Kings X L8verpoop Street London Bridge Waterloo Victoria back to Paddington It wasn't. It partially replaced Station Link which did not have a route number. Wasn’t Station Link called SL1 & SL2? |
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Post by dannyl1989 on Sept 5, 2019 18:51:56 GMT
The 497 will be an unnecessary route.
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Post by galwhv69 on Sept 5, 2019 18:57:29 GMT
It wasn't. It partially replaced Station Link which did not have a route number. Wasn’t Station Link called SL1 & SL2? Yeah it was, used Optare Excels as its last allocation. |
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Post by redexpress on Sept 5, 2019 19:47:23 GMT
It wasn't. It partially replaced Station Link which did not have a route number. Wasn’t Station Link called SL1 & SL2? Yes, route numbers were introduced to distinguish between the two directions when an anticlockwise service was added. Prior to that, the service only ran in the clockwise direction, which can't have been much fun if you wanted to get from, say, Euston to Paddington!
Internally the Stationlink service was known as the C99 before route numbers were introduced.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 7, 2019 4:04:40 GMT
nearly every route in London duplicates another route in one form or another. I think what MetrolineGA1511 is trying to say is that routes that do not have a single stop to themselves and are duplicated by different routes for every single stop are unnecessary. Or if not unnecessary then the easiest to withdraw. I am dead intrigued to know how the network would look if TfL went back to the drawing board and redesigned the network so that every route had a single section, or even just a single stop, to themselves.  |
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Post by rift on Jun 22, 2020 22:53:01 GMT
I know this is an old thread, but a route I’m surprised nobody has mentioned is the 436. The whole route seems to be there only for relieving passengers from the 36, and with the Hopper fare, would there be any point of it these days? Several other routes go from the short distance from New Cross Gate to Lewisham.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 22, 2020 23:50:41 GMT
I know this is an old thread, but a route I’m surprised nobody has mentioned is the 436. The whole route seems to be there only for relieving passengers from the 36, and with the Hopper fare, would there be any point of it these days? Several other routes go from the short distance from New Cross Gate to Lewisham. It provides valuable assistance to other routes between Vauxhall & Lewisham such as the 36, 171 & 185 to name a few. |
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Post by 6HP502C on Jun 23, 2020 0:50:26 GMT
I know this is an old thread, but a route I’m surprised nobody has mentioned is the 436. The whole route seems to be there only for relieving passengers from the 36, and with the Hopper fare, would there be any point of it these days? Several other routes go from the short distance from New Cross Gate to Lewisham. The 436 has multiple functions. 1. Providing capacity along the Lewisham Way corridor in the AM peak. Without it there would be crowding and left behinds. 2. Providing capacity along the Queens Road Peckham corridor in the AM peak. Without it there would be crowding and left behinds. 3. Providing capacity along the Camberwell New Road corridor in the AM peak. Without it there would be crowding and left behinds. 4. Providing capacity on the same corridors in the PM peak. 5. Providing adequate capacity between Lewisham and Peckham with the 136 on all days of the week. The 436 can't be withdrawn without breaking a lot of links and causing some serious hardship to passengers between Vauxhall and Lewisham. You could say the 36 and 136 could be boosted, but both of them would need an extra 7.5bph, about 22 buses vs the 436's 21 PVR. The sections north of Vauxhall, and east/south of Southampton Way would be overbussed which costs £££s. Some routes' primary purpose is to provide an efficient solution to service busy corridors. The 436 is one of them. The 40 and 349 are other examples. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 23, 2020 7:18:12 GMT
Back in the day the 36 three sections throughout the day of Lewisham to Victoria, Lewisham to Paddington and NX to Queens Park and still struggled.
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Post by Nathan on Jun 23, 2020 8:46:48 GMT
Back in the day the 36 three sections throughout the day of Lewisham to Victoria, Lewisham to Paddington and NX to Queens Park and still struggled. Oh wow, I remember seeing Routemasters running on the 36 along Lewisham Way when I was young. Then the route suddenly disappeared overnight and I had no idea why 😂 That was so long ago. God, I feel old. |
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