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Post by COBO on Aug 28, 2019 12:30:45 GMT
The 332 Overlaps the 16 from Edgeware Road Station to Cricklewood Bus Gare but it does helps a bit so that I really like to see get reroute it to Warwick Avenue for links But the 332 links Edgware Road and Kilburn with Paddington. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 13:09:29 GMT
A good guide to if a route is necessary or not is to ask how many people would be inconvenienced by its withdrawal.
How many would say " hells bells the 357 has gone! Whatever will I do" I suspect very few, even Whipps Cross to Chingford Hatch passengers can get the W16 , with a bit of walking at Chingford.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 28, 2019 13:30:57 GMT
A good guide to if a route is necessary or not is to ask how many people would be inconvenienced by its withdrawal. How many would say " hells bells the 357 has gone! Whatever will I do" I suspect very few, even Whipps Cross to Chingford Hatch passengers can get the W16 , with a bit of walking at Chingford. The 357 is not just for Chingford Hatch & Whipps Cross, it gives relief along the busy Walthamstow to Chingford Mount corridor. Pulling the 357 away from Whipps Cross would also make little sense given the mayor has made it somewhat of a priority regarding hospitals & bus links. |
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 28, 2019 14:29:48 GMT
A good guide to if a route is necessary or not is to ask how many people would be inconvenienced by its withdrawal. How many would say " hells bells the 357 has gone! Whatever will I do" I suspect very few, even Whipps Cross to Chingford Hatch passengers can get the W16 , with a bit of walking at Chingford. I wouldn't be so sure as to not having local passengers kick up a fuss. Decided to hop on the 357 one Sunday returning home from Walthamstow; the bus definitely fulfils the usefulness criterion by having a dozen or so passengers at Bakers Arms. What was more important though whilst I was waiting on the hospital grounds for the W19 was overhearing some patients/passengers saying they've used the Sunday extension on the 357 for about 6 years! Don't get me wrong, if my cynical goggles are put on it would see the 357 culled and the 97 frequency jacked up with a +2/3 in PVR. However after hearing those passengers who had issues with their mobility, the 357 extension caters for a specific market and they shouldn't be ignored totally. Yes Fenchurch Street and Fetter Lane have no buses running down it, but bankers & other office workers are not going to be as severely affected as elderly or impaired passengers in the Chingford area. Edit* |
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Post by rif153 on Aug 28, 2019 14:34:03 GMT
A good guide to if a route is necessary or not is to ask how many people would be inconvenienced by its withdrawal. How many would say " hells bells the 357 has gone! Whatever will I do" I suspect very few, even Whipps Cross to Chingford Hatch passengers can get the W16 , with a bit of walking at Chingford. I wouldn't be so sure as to not having local passengers kick up a fuss. Decided to hop on the 357 one Sunday returning home from Walthamstow; the bus definitely fulfils the usefulness criterion by having a dozen or so passengers at Bakers Arms. What was more important though whilst I was waiting on the hospital grounds for the W19 was overhearing some patients/passengers saying they've used the Sunday extension on the 357 for about 6 years! Don't get me wrong, if my cynical goggles are put on it would see the 357 culled and the 97 frequency jacked up with a +2/3 in PVR. However after hearing those passengers who had issues with their mobility, the 357 extension caters for a specific market and they shouldn't be ignored totally. Yes Fenchurch Street and * Fleet Street have no buses running down it, but bankers & other office workers are not going to be as severely affected as elderly or impaired passengers in the Chingford area. *Fetter Lane |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 15:00:04 GMT
The 357 does indeed provide back up, but if other routes run without problems then its not necessary.
If you're at the top of Lea Bridge Rd wanting to go to Walthamstow and the 257 or 20 or W15 turn up you don't say, " I'll stick around for the 357" Likewise in Walthamstow wanting to go to Chingford Mount, you get on either the 97 or 215 if they come first, not hang around for the 357. If that route turns up first, okay. Or to Chingford Hatch you get the 212 if that turns up first. I recently went end to end on the 357, I knew that the other routes were running okay because I was the only upstairs passenger all the way. Previously though it was quite full, no doubt other routes had issues.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 31, 2019 19:23:50 GMT
With changes to the road layout at Holborn on the cards, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the 59 or 68 is cutback. The two now parallel one another from Euston to Waterloo, and I fear if a North-South route is to be cut from Holborn it'll be the 59 cutback to either Aldywch or Waterloo. Surely the 68 would be the route to withdraw from the Waterloo to Euston route. The 68 could be withdrawn and the 468 could be extended from Elephant & Castle to Waterloo or Aldwych providing an overlapping section with the 168 from Elephant & Castle towards Euston. Route 68 is "redundant" as it entirely duplicates routes 59, 188 & 468. Routes 2 & 13 could be withdrawn properly as between them they duplicate routes 432, 345, 88, 185, 16, 74, 113, 328 & 460. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 31, 2019 19:26:34 GMT
I think the R9 is slightly unnecessary, it's route is pretty much already covered by the 353 and R2 Also in Orpington, route 208 is unnecessary as it duplicates routes 61, 353, 320 & 47. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 31, 2019 19:29:22 GMT
The 332 Overlaps the 16 from Edgeware Road Station to Cricklewood Bus Gare but it does helps a bit so that I really like to see get reroute it to Warwick Avenue for links Route 16 is redundant as it duplicates routes 36, 98 & 332. |
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Post by george on Aug 31, 2019 19:30:40 GMT
I think the R9 is slightly unnecessary, it's route is pretty much already covered by the 353 and R2 Also in Orpington, route 208 is unnecessary as it duplicates routes 61, 353, 320 & 47. nearly every route in London duplicates another route in one form or another. |
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Post by M1104 on Aug 31, 2019 19:44:36 GMT
Surely the 68 would be the route to withdraw from the Waterloo to Euston route. The 68 could be withdrawn and the 468 could be extended from Elephant & Castle to Waterloo or Aldwych providing an overlapping section with the 168 from Elephant & Castle towards Euston. Route 68 is "redundant" as it entirely duplicates routes 59, 188 & 468. Routes 2 & 13 could be withdrawn properly as between them they duplicate routes 432, 345, 88, 185, 16, 74, 113, 328 & 460. Many ideal round the corner links would then be lost. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 31, 2019 19:50:29 GMT
I wonder how the network would look if it was totally recast such that all routes had to have at least a short section to themselves .... (Forget the nightmare to passengers having to learn new routes in the area).
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Post by redexpress on Aug 31, 2019 20:08:13 GMT
I think the R9 is slightly unnecessary, it's route is pretty much already covered by the 353 and R2 Also in Orpington, route 208 is unnecessary as it duplicates routes 61, 353, 320 & 47. Doesn't 208 have a short section of Crown Lane and Southborough Lane to itself (ignoring the N199)? |
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Post by busaholic on Aug 31, 2019 22:47:39 GMT
Also in Orpington, route 208 is unnecessary as it duplicates routes 61, 353, 320 & 47. Doesn't 208 have a short section of Crown Lane and Southborough Lane to itself (ignoring the N199)? My accountant of 30 years standing, still working at the age of 74, would get very vexed if the 208 was withdrawn. He might even use the word 'bother!' which is about the strongest I've ever heard from him.  |
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Post by ak121 on Aug 31, 2019 23:04:05 GMT
Also in Orpington, route 208 is unnecessary as it duplicates routes 61, 353, 320 & 47. Doesn't 208 have a short section of Crown Lane and Southborough Lane to itself (ignoring the N199)? You're right, bus stops 'The Fairway' and 'Southborough Lane / Blackbrook Lane' on a small section of Southborough Lane are solely served by the 208 during the day and bus stops 'Newton Lane' and 'Crown Lane Spur' on Crown Lane and Crown Lane Spur are similarly served solely by the 208 durning day. |
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