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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 7, 2023 12:51:13 GMT
Why is she a chav with money because she doesn't speak like a with a plummy tone ? 😂 could say the same about 30p lee It’s not that she just comes across as low brow. I’m not discriminating as you’re right 30p Lee does as well. Perhaps it’s just northerners, but then I consider anything north of Camden northern England 😂 The Underground line to Edgware and High Barnet is not called the Northern Line for nothing
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Post by buspete on Oct 7, 2023 16:10:29 GMT
Rishi Sunak has never been elected Prime Minister by the British public, however the 2019 Conservative manifesto was. Rishi has no right to scrap HS2 or the net zero green targets. All this seems to me as a reaction to the Conservatives winning in Uxbridge, which was all about ULEZ, since then they have gone pro car - anti green/public transport, this seems the only way they can win the general election next year, being pro-car. You don’t hear ‘stop the boats anymore.’
If Rishi in 2024 manifesto fought the next general election to scrap HS2 going to Manchester and green targets and was elected (finally) on a second term, then fair enough that is what the country wants, Rishi is empowered to do so.
To sell the land, so another Government cannot make progress, if they choose to do so in their next manifesto is atrocious, short sighted and wrong.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Oct 7, 2023 19:56:31 GMT
To a large extent that depends on whether the Tories keep or sell the land intended for HS2. If they sell it first it will be too late to build it on the same routing. They would also have to cancel the projects the funding has been diverted to, which might not be popular, unless we are going to see a return of the magic Labour money pot. Assuming the projects the funding was 'diverted' to actually go ahead
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 7, 2023 20:17:13 GMT
They would also have to cancel the projects the funding has been diverted to, which might not be popular, unless we are going to see a return of the magic Labour money pot. Assuming the projects the funding was 'diverted' to actually go ahead Does it matter, id one party says it is going ahead, and the next says it is not. It is about perception.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 7, 2023 20:57:37 GMT
Rishi Sunak has never been elected Prime Minister by the British public, however the 2019 Conservative manifesto was. Rishi has no right to scrap HS2 or the net zero green targets. All this seems to me as a reaction to the Conservatives winning in Uxbridge, which was all about ULEZ, since then they have gone pro car - anti green/public transport, this seems the only way they can win the general election next year, being pro-car. You don’t hear ‘stop the boats anymore.’ If Rishi in 2024 manifesto fought the next general election to scrap HS2 going to Manchester and green targets and was elected (finally) on a second term, then fair enough that is what the country wants, Rishi is empowered to do so. To sell the land, so another Government cannot make progress, if they choose to do so in their next manifesto is atrocious, short sighted and wrong. Completely agree, in all fairness to the Conservative party they put together a quite robust manifesto in 2019 with a lot of promises and were elected for them. They had a landslide victory and they had a mandate for that manifesto, alongside a mandate for Boris. Obviously since then Boris has left the post and Sunak does not have a mandate for him as a PM, but he still very much has a mandate for acting upon the manifesto whether or not there's public support for the party. I think Sunak (and Starmer) have both quietly realised that this country does not have a public transport network anywhere near robust and affordable enough to make it a viable option to motorists. Sunak obviously can and has acted on it, while Starmer cannot do so as he doesn't hold that power. No matter what promises Labour make, I'm sure that any manifesto would have watered down green pledges from what their initial plans were because both parties seem to have realised a vocal minority is who's been pushing this excessive green agenda while the silent majority are impartial or against it. It's that majority which will count in an election so while you might not need to specifically please them, you don't want to upset them. I'd assume many will actually even support some anti green policies such as the sorting out of airports here and expanding capacity, I'm sure many have been burned by the severe slot restrictions and security issues at airports over the past few years. Bringing this full circle, HS2 being culled is just unfortunate for the North of England. The excessive travel distance to Manchester is probably what puts many people off from frequently travelling there. 2h30min is a long time to travel between the two, I certainly wouldn't consider going up there without spending a few days there to make my journey time worth it. I think really what should have happened is the government mandating more air links to Manchester instead, flying is easy and is more affordable than trains today and that's even if you include the problems you get at security.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 7, 2023 22:58:31 GMT
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 8, 2023 3:29:33 GMT
Rishi Sunak has never been elected Prime Minister by the British public, however the 2019 Conservative manifesto was. Rishi has no right to scrap HS2 or the net zero green targets. All this seems to me as a reaction to the Conservatives winning in Uxbridge, which was all about ULEZ, since then they have gone pro car - anti green/public transport, this seems the only way they can win the general election next year, being pro-car. You don’t hear ‘stop the boats anymore.’ If Rishi in 2024 manifesto fought the next general election to scrap HS2 going to Manchester and green targets and was elected (finally) on a second term, then fair enough that is what the country wants, Rishi is empowered to do so. To sell the land, so another Government cannot make progress, if they choose to do so in their next manifesto is atrocious, short sighted and wrong. Completely agree, in all fairness to the Conservative party they put together a quite robust manifesto in 2019 with a lot of promises and were elected for them. They had a landslide victory and they had a mandate for that manifesto, alongside a mandate for Boris. Obviously since then Boris has left the post and Sunak does not have a mandate for him as a PM, but he still very much has a mandate for acting upon the manifesto whether or not there's public support for the party. I think Sunak (and Starmer) have both quietly realised that this country does not have a public transport network anywhere near robust and affordable enough to make it a viable option to motorists. Sunak obviously can and has acted on it, while Starmer cannot do so as he doesn't hold that power. No matter what promises Labour make, I'm sure that any manifesto would have watered down green pledges from what their initial plans were because both parties seem to have realised a vocal minority is who's been pushing this excessive green agenda while the silent majority are impartial or against it. It's that majority which will count in an election so while you might not need to specifically please them, you don't want to upset them. I'd assume many will actually even support some anti green policies such as the sorting out of airports here and expanding capacity, I'm sure many have been burned by the severe slot restrictions and security issues at airports over the past few years. Bringing this full circle, HS2 being culled is just unfortunate for the North of England. The excessive travel distance to Manchester is probably what puts many people off from frequently travelling there. 2h30min is a long time to travel between the two, I certainly wouldn't consider going up there without spending a few days there to make my journey time worth it. I think really what should have happened is the government mandating more air links to Manchester instead, flying is easy and is more affordable than trains today and that's even if you include the problems you get at security. Most European countries have excellent long distance rail systems and really we could take a leaf out of their books, just because we haven’t built it already doesn’t mean we can’t start now. When building HS2, we should have looked at getting the French or the Spaniards leading the project given they have been extremely experienced with building these types of systems for relatively low cost. 1 hour 11 by rail to and from Manchester by HS2 sounded like an excellent deal. Took mainline services onto their own segregated tracks and no more having to mix high speed trains with stopping trains. It would be nice if we had a government that wanted to combat issues facing the railway, the rising cost of rail infrastructure, providing some subsidy so all rail services aren’t expected to make a profit and are run as a public good, renationalisation of some kind and most importantly ensuring our railways are constantly being built to support jobs and to better connect communities. Unfortunately it doesn’t seem like our government seem interested in doing that.
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 10, 2023 12:14:36 GMT
I'm not a fan of HS2 however to scrap the northern section feels like it's an unfinished project. Environmentally they've made a huge mess around the West Ruislip and Harefield areas so I question whether it was worth starting in the first place
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 10, 2023 21:58:28 GMT
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Post by mkay315 on Oct 25, 2023 15:41:13 GMT
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