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Post by M1199 on Jun 22, 2020 22:19:18 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 23, 2020 22:22:50 GMT
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Post by richard on Jun 23, 2020 23:08:25 GMT
I bet both driver didn't go home with clean Boxers.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 7, 2020 10:30:29 GMT
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Post by richard on Jul 31, 2020 0:01:07 GMT
If anyone is interested today is 10 year's since the first S8 stock unit entered service
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 31, 2020 8:06:16 GMT
If anyone is interested today is 10 year's since the first S8 stock unit entered service Time flies
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 31, 2020 6:22:38 GMT
I was listening to two Met line drivers the other day and they were saying to save the difficultly of introducing ATO all the way out to Amersham/Chesham that they thought that LU would simply sell/handover that Section to Chiltern Railways and all Met would be diverted to Watford or terminate at Moor Park. Chiltern would have to go back to stopping at Moor Park and introduce another 2 tph to Amersham and maybe 2 to Chesham or re introduce a shuttle train again. All destinations would all be reachable with only 1 change at either Moor Park and Harrow on the Hill.
Now that most the fast trains have gone I guess demand for the Met over Chiltern has probably fallen a bit with the Chiltern trains non stopping so many stations on its way to London.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 31, 2020 7:37:55 GMT
I was listening to two Met line drivers the other day and they were saying to save the difficultly of introducing ATO all the way out to Amersham/Chesham that they thought that LU would simply sell/handover that Section to Chiltern Railways and all Met would be diverted to Watford or terminate at Moor Park. Chiltern would have to go back to stopping at Moor Park and introduce another 2 tph to Amersham and maybe 2 to Chesham or re introduce a shuttle train again. All destinations would all be reachable with only 1 change at either Moor Park and Harrow on the Hill. Now that most the fast trains have gone I guess demand for the Met over Chiltern has probably fallen a bit with the Chiltern trains non stopping so many stations on its way to London. More likely LU would simply terminate the Amersham/Chesham service at Rickmansworth. There would still be access to the sidings there and it would allow cross-platform interchange between LU and Chiltern. Chiltern would not then need to stop at Moor Park. Just as a point of interest, when the Metropolitan Railway initially proposed its Watford Branch the plan was to have a terminus right in the Town Centre. This was blocked by Watford Council as it would have meant laying track through their newly-created Cassiobury Park (the Cassiobury Estate was granted to the council in the early 1920s). The Met. was also planning to electrify to Rickmansworth, hoping to replicate the success of their electrified Uxbridge route which had stimulated the growth of suburban development along its route - the famed "Metro-land". The Met. still needed an alternative terminus as Rickmansworth was on a constrained site, and could not be enlarged to cope with an enhanced level of electric train service as well as the locomotive changes for trains going further west. The solution was to build the Watford branch but to terminate at the current site west of Cassiobury Park, which had originally been earmarked for a goods depot.
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Post by thewintersoldier on Aug 31, 2020 7:38:23 GMT
I was listening to two Met line drivers the other day and they were saying to save the difficultly of introducing ATO all the way out to Amersham/Chesham that they thought that LU would simply sell/handover that Section to Chiltern Railways and all Met would be diverted to Watford or terminate at Moor Park. Chiltern would have to go back to stopping at Moor Park and introduce another 2 tph to Amersham and maybe 2 to Chesham or re introduce a shuttle train again. All destinations would all be reachable with only 1 change at either Moor Park and Harrow on the Hill. Now that most the fast trains have gone I guess demand for the Met over Chiltern has probably fallen a bit with the Chiltern trains non stopping so many stations on its way to London. I work for chiltern as a driver, I will do some digging to find out more information
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 31, 2020 8:05:54 GMT
I was listening to two Met line drivers the other day and they were saying to save the difficultly of introducing ATO all the way out to Amersham/Chesham that they thought that LU would simply sell/handover that Section to Chiltern Railways and all Met would be diverted to Watford or terminate at Moor Park. Chiltern would have to go back to stopping at Moor Park and introduce another 2 tph to Amersham and maybe 2 to Chesham or re introduce a shuttle train again. All destinations would all be reachable with only 1 change at either Moor Park and Harrow on the Hill. Now that most the fast trains have gone I guess demand for the Met over Chiltern has probably fallen a bit with the Chiltern trains non stopping so many stations on its way to London. I work for chiltern as a driver, I will do some digging to find out more information Thanks. Was probably just the 2 drivers opinions but Rickmansworth may be a more logical terminal like you said due to the interchange already there and the sidings.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 31, 2020 9:03:40 GMT
Still going ahead to Uxbridge/Amersham/Chesham/Watford: New aspiration dates: SMA 3 6/7 March 2021 SMA 4 1/2 May 2021 SMA 5 10/11 July 2021 SMA 6 9/10 October 2021 SMA 7 4/5 December 2021 SMA 8 5/6 March 2022 Finchley Rd-Preston Rd SMA 9 3/4 September 2022 Preston Rd-West Harrow/Moor Pk SMA 13 4/5 February 2023 Moor Pk-Watford/Chesham/Amersham SMA 14 – April 2023 West Harrow-Uxbridge
SMAs 10/11/12 officially descoped and removed. Work on Farringdon City sidings deferred for one year.
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 31, 2020 11:12:09 GMT
I was listening to two Met line drivers the other day and they were saying to save the difficultly of introducing ATO all the way out to Amersham/Chesham that they thought that LU would simply sell/handover that Section to Chiltern Railways and all Met would be diverted to Watford or terminate at Moor Park. Chiltern would have to go back to stopping at Moor Park and introduce another 2 tph to Amersham and maybe 2 to Chesham or re introduce a shuttle train again. All destinations would all be reachable with only 1 change at either Moor Park and Harrow on the Hill. Now that most the fast trains have gone I guess demand for the Met over Chiltern has probably fallen a bit with the Chiltern trains non stopping so many stations on its way to London. I agree that some aspect of the outer Metropolitan line should be transferred to Chiltern. Some stations are quite far out, and most services stop at all stations giving longer journey times, while the 2tph Chiltern services on this route can get quite busy and have far fewer carriages than the S stock. However, I don't think it would be a good idea to divert additional trains at Watford, or cut some services back to Moor Park. Though Moor Park can be a useful interchange for a select number of journeys, very few passengers start/end a journey here. Watford and Croxley do not need any extra capacity, and passengers around Watford will often choose to use the faster services at Watford Junction instead. I also think Watford should be renamed to 'Watford West' or 'Cassiobury Park', to avoid passengers travelling here who want to go to Watford Town Centre. The Croxley Rail link was planned to connect the Metropolitan line to Watford High Street and Watford Junction, with a slightly more frequent service, but I'm not sure this would have been worthwhile. An extended Met Line would be slower into central London from Watford Junction than existing services, especially compared to some non-stop London Northwestern Railway services. Even the Overground services would probably be quicker still, at 45 mins into Euston. The increase of the Watford DC line to 4tph has helped, and OSIs are available to connect to other lines at Kenton/Northwick Park and South Hampstead/Swiss Cottage. These interchanges could be publicised better, as connections to the Jubilee/Metropolitan are useful. My suggestion would be to introduce a 3tph shuttle service between Watford and Chesham, run by Chiltern, but with interchange at Amersham or Rickmansworth for direct London services. Rickmansworth would also be a better interchange option than the more isolated Moor Park. Chiltern could take over 2tph to Amersham but with fewer stops than the existing met line, alternating with the 2tph to Aylesbury, with both of these using longer formations. The Met line could then run 6tph all stations to Rickmansworth, though some of these could terminate short at Northwood.
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Post by Green Kitten on Aug 31, 2020 11:46:52 GMT
I was listening to two Met line drivers the other day and they were saying to save the difficultly of introducing ATO all the way out to Amersham/Chesham that they thought that LU would simply sell/handover that Section to Chiltern Railways and all Met would be diverted to Watford or terminate at Moor Park. Chiltern would have to go back to stopping at Moor Park and introduce another 2 tph to Amersham and maybe 2 to Chesham or re introduce a shuttle train again. All destinations would all be reachable with only 1 change at either Moor Park and Harrow on the Hill. Now that most the fast trains have gone I guess demand for the Met over Chiltern has probably fallen a bit with the Chiltern trains non stopping so many stations on its way to London. I agree that some aspect of the outer Metropolitan line should be transferred to Chiltern. Some stations are quite far out, and most services stop at all stations giving longer journey times, while the 2tph Chiltern services on this route can get quite busy and have far fewer carriages than the S stock. However, I don't think it would be a good idea to divert additional trains at Watford, or cut some services back to Moor Park. Though Moor Park can be a useful interchange for a select number of journeys, very few passengers start/end a journey here. Watford and Croxley do not need any extra capacity, and passengers around Watford will often choose to use the faster services at Watford Junction instead. I also think Watford should be renamed to 'Watford West' or 'Cassiobury Park', to avoid passengers travelling here who want to go to Watford Town Centre. The Croxley Rail link was planned to connect the Metropolitan line to Watford High Street and Watford Junction, with a slightly more frequent service, but I'm not sure this would have been worthwhile. An extended Met Line would be slower into central London from Watford Junction than existing services, especially compared to some non-stop London Northwestern Railway services. Even the Overground services would probably be quicker still, at 45 mins into Euston. The increase of the Watford DC line to 4tph has helped, and OSIs are available to connect to other lines at Kenton/Northwick Park and South Hampstead/Swiss Cottage. These interchanges could be publicised better, as connections to the Jubilee/Metropolitan are useful. My suggestion would be to introduce a 3tph shuttle service between Watford and Chesham, run by Chiltern, but with interchange at Amersham or Rickmansworth for direct London services. Rickmansworth would also be a better interchange option than the more isolated Moor Park. Chiltern could take over 2tph to Amersham but with fewer stops than the existing met line, alternating with the 2tph to Aylesbury, with both of these using longer formations. The Met line could then run 6tph all stations to Rickmansworth, though some of these could terminate short at Northwood. You can’t really operate more than 2tph on the Chesham branch without double tracking the line.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 3, 2020 22:00:39 GMT
Still going ahead to Uxbridge/Amersham/Chesham/Watford: New aspiration dates: SMA 3 6/7 March 2021 SMA 4 1/2 May 2021 SMA 5 10/11 July 2021 SMA 6 9/10 October 2021 SMA 7 4/5 December 2021 SMA 8 5/6 March 2022 Finchley Rd-Preston Rd SMA 9 3/4 September 2022 Preston Rd-West Harrow/Moor Pk SMA 13 4/5 February 2023 Moor Pk-Watford/Chesham/Amersham SMA 14 – April 2023 West Harrow-Uxbridge SMAs 10/11/12 officially descoped and removed. Work on Farringdon City sidings deferred for one year. What is with the SMA? milk???
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 4, 2020 8:35:08 GMT
What is with the SMA? milk??? SMA Signalling Migration Area
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