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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 3, 2024 20:50:59 GMT
There's quite a lot of through journeys between Barking and Romford, cutting the 5 at Becontree Heath would remove that link. There would be no point in sending the EL4 to Barking on top of the EL1, EL3 and London Overground. As good as the EL4 sounds, perhaps the best link would be Barking Riverside to somewhere in Beam Park or Rainham Station via Castle Green, Dagenham Asda and the Beam Park development. As others have said, links to Becontree and Romford are really already there, Becontree has a choice of 5 from Martins Corner, 174 and 175 from Heathway or the quicker 86 from Chadwell Heath. I was confused with the routing, I thought the EL4 would run from the Riverside to Barking then onwards. I agree the Romford to Barking link is important. Has pretty much run since the 1930s atleast. From what I can remember it was: Barking Riverside Renwick Road Castle Green Goresbrook Village Becontree The off towards Becontree Heath. |
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Post by britishguy54 on Apr 3, 2024 21:00:08 GMT
Could an EL4 replace the 5 between Romford and Becontree Heath the add some extra capacity to Barking and then go to the Riverside? There's quite a lot of through journeys between Barking and Romford, cutting the 5 at Becontree Heath would remove that link. There would be no point in sending the EL4 to Barking on top of the EL1, EL3 and London Overground. As good as the EL4 sounds, perhaps the best link would be Barking Riverside to somewhere in Beam Park or Rainham Station via Castle Green, Dagenham Asda and the Beam Park development. As others have said, links to Becontree and Romford are really already there, Becontree has a choice of 5 from Martins Corner, 174 and 175 from Heathway or the quicker 86 from Chadwell Heath. Cutting the 5 at Becontree Heath would just end up being how the route was prior to 2006, with the 87 being swallowed up. I could have seen a case for perhaps extending the old 87 to Beckton via High Street South if this was still 2006. But it isn’t. So I wouldn’t mess with the 5 right now. The EL4 through Barking…? I don’t know how this happened, but it’s been speculated to serve Becontree Station instead. It makes better sense in knowing where people in this area would want to go: Barking, Ilford, and Romford are the big three town centres in this area people look towards. While Becontree is served indirectly through the 5, 174, and 175, it could also make sense for a dedicated route towards Romford. I think also understanding Rush Green Road is important. It’s like a filter. These routes are all bundled together for a bit until they head off in their seperate directions to different locations. I think the best thing to do for the developing areas beside the A13 is a frequency upgrade to the 287, a stop opposite Dagenham ASDA for the 173/287, and some sort of access to Beam Park Station that could come from what likely will be some extension of the 365. Especially if Castle Green Station ends up happening. |
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Post by rift on Apr 4, 2024 16:16:39 GMT
Basically they take the crap that people didn’t want at full price from other nearby stores and sell it reduced. Good chance it’s been poked, prodded and tampered with if it’s anything like the absolute horrors I’ve seen in greggs. Their website describes them as being in a read where social deprivation is high so just let it sink in that the only two in London are in Newham and Canning Town. There are quite a lot in Glasgow and Birmingham. We have three now! Canning Town, Plaistow and Custom House 😬 I know Greggs staff and they sell out of stock so quick that they sometimes have to close early. Don’t know about the others but the Canning Town one is pretty good if you get there in the morning, I even bought some food for my flight tomorrow this morning. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 4, 2024 18:48:09 GMT
There's quite a lot of through journeys between Barking and Romford, cutting the 5 at Becontree Heath would remove that link. There would be no point in sending the EL4 to Barking on top of the EL1, EL3 and London Overground. As good as the EL4 sounds, perhaps the best link would be Barking Riverside to somewhere in Beam Park or Rainham Station via Castle Green, Dagenham Asda and the Beam Park development. As others have said, links to Becontree and Romford are really already there, Becontree has a choice of 5 from Martins Corner, 174 and 175 from Heathway or the quicker 86 from Chadwell Heath. Cutting the 5 at Becontree Heath would just end up being how the route was prior to 2006, with the 87 being swallowed up. I could have seen a case for perhaps extending the old 87 to Beckton via High Street South if this was still 2006. But it isn’t. So I wouldn’t mess with the 5 right now. The EL4 through Barking…? I don’t know how this happened, but it’s been speculated to serve Becontree Station instead. It makes better sense in knowing where people in this area would want to go: Barking, Ilford, and Romford are the big three town centres in this area people look towards. While Becontree is served indirectly through the 5, 174, and 175, it could also make sense for a dedicated route towards Romford. I think also understanding Rush Green Road is important. It’s like a filter. These routes are all bundled together for a bit until they head off in their seperate directions to different locations. I think the best thing to do for the developing areas beside the A13 is a frequency upgrade to the 287, a stop opposite Dagenham ASDA for the 173/287, and some sort of access to Beam Park Station that could come from what likely will be some extension of the 365. Especially if Castle Green Station ends up happening. You yourself have listed three routes, the 5, 174 and 175 of which both the 5 and 174 run at very high frequencies and the 175 is a high frequency route too. The Hopper fare allows people to change onto these routes easily. As has been mentioned elsewhere there are plenty of routes to Romford from the surrounding areas and it's pointless to pile yet another route on top of an already busy corridor. So no it does not make sense to pile on yet another route and 'dedicate' one to Becontree specifically when the 62 and 145 combined provide around 11bph linking to a multitude of other routes which go to Romford. Wasn't Beam Park station effectively shelved? If Castle Green Station happens the EL1 and EL2 are both likely to have that covered with just a short walk so you won't need to fiddle around with the 173 and 287. People from Barking Riverside mostly need to get to Barking, they get their buses to Barking and if they want to go elsewhere they can connect through Barking. It's only a couple of minutes on frequent bus services or one stop on a train. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 4, 2024 20:01:18 GMT
Cutting the 5 at Becontree Heath would just end up being how the route was prior to 2006, with the 87 being swallowed up. I could have seen a case for perhaps extending the old 87 to Beckton via High Street South if this was still 2006. But it isn’t. So I wouldn’t mess with the 5 right now. The EL4 through Barking…? I don’t know how this happened, but it’s been speculated to serve Becontree Station instead. It makes better sense in knowing where people in this area would want to go: Barking, Ilford, and Romford are the big three town centres in this area people look towards. While Becontree is served indirectly through the 5, 174, and 175, it could also make sense for a dedicated route towards Romford. I think also understanding Rush Green Road is important. It’s like a filter. These routes are all bundled together for a bit until they head off in their seperate directions to different locations. I think the best thing to do for the developing areas beside the A13 is a frequency upgrade to the 287, a stop opposite Dagenham ASDA for the 173/287, and some sort of access to Beam Park Station that could come from what likely will be some extension of the 365. Especially if Castle Green Station ends up happening. You yourself have listed three routes, the 5, 174 and 175 of which both the 5 and 174 run at very high frequencies and the 175 is a high frequency route too. The Hopper fare allows people to change onto these routes easily. As has been mentioned elsewhere there are plenty of routes to Romford from the surrounding areas and it's pointless to pile yet another route on top of an already busy corridor. So no it does not make sense to pile on yet another route and 'dedicate' one to Becontree specifically when the 62 and 145 combined provide around 11bph linking to a multitude of other routes which go to Romford. Wasn't Beam Park station effectively shelved? If Castle Green Station happens the EL1 and EL2 are both likely to have that covered with just a short walk so you won't need to fiddle around with the 173 and 287. People from Barking Riverside mostly need to get to Barking, they get their buses to Barking and if they want to go elsewhere they can connect through Barking. It's only a couple of minutes on frequent bus services or one stop on a train. I do feel the bigger need is Goresbrook Village, rather than Barking Riverside. Maybe a link from Barking via Upney Lane and Ripple Road, along Goresbrook Road, then up to Dagenham Heathway and beyond? |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 4, 2024 21:21:51 GMT
You yourself have listed three routes, the 5, 174 and 175 of which both the 5 and 174 run at very high frequencies and the 175 is a high frequency route too. The Hopper fare allows people to change onto these routes easily. As has been mentioned elsewhere there are plenty of routes to Romford from the surrounding areas and it's pointless to pile yet another route on top of an already busy corridor. So no it does not make sense to pile on yet another route and 'dedicate' one to Becontree specifically when the 62 and 145 combined provide around 11bph linking to a multitude of other routes which go to Romford. Wasn't Beam Park station effectively shelved? If Castle Green Station happens the EL1 and EL2 are both likely to have that covered with just a short walk so you won't need to fiddle around with the 173 and 287. People from Barking Riverside mostly need to get to Barking, they get their buses to Barking and if they want to go elsewhere they can connect through Barking. It's only a couple of minutes on frequent bus services or one stop on a train. I do feel the bigger need is Goresbrook Village, rather than Barking Riverside. Maybe a link from Barking via Upney Lane and Ripple Road, along Goresbrook Road, then up to Dagenham Heathway and beyond? I know the plan for Goresbrook Village initially was for the 287 to go through there instead and leave the A13 to the 173. I think it's probably a good idea as the 173 can handle the A13 by itself and the 287 should still be walking distance in most cases an provides a link to Barking and Dagenham for those residents. The 287 plan did come along after the EL4 plans so I wouldn't be surprised to see EL4 eventually shelved and replaced with this which seems a more cost effective alongside a more useful option as well. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 4, 2024 22:10:42 GMT
I do feel the bigger need is Goresbrook Village, rather than Barking Riverside. Maybe a link from Barking via Upney Lane and Ripple Road, along Goresbrook Road, then up to Dagenham Heathway and beyond? I know the plan for Goresbrook Village initially was for the 287 to go through there instead and leave the A13 to the 173. I think it's probably a good idea as the 173 can handle the A13 by itself and the 287 should still be walking distance in most cases an provides a link to Barking and Dagenham for those residents. The 287 plan did come along after the EL4 plans so I wouldn't be surprised to see EL4 eventually shelved and replaced with this which seems a more cost effective alongside a more useful option as well. I do think the 287 would make more sense as it would create better links- I've not been on a 287 for a while along the A13 but from what I can remember, it doesn't really pick up many along that bit of the A13 anyway |
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