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Post by Buses678 on Aug 7, 2023 19:19:30 GMT
i can only assume 2029 could be a possible date for EL4 to be introduced since ELT route are getting another 5 year contract. Don't think there's much need for an EL4 anymore. The Barking Riverside extension is now open on the Goblin and nobody from Barking Riverside is screaming to head down a load of side roads in Becontree. People in Barking Riverside will need to head to their nearest town centres in Barking and Ilford for errands, and into Central London for recreation or employment. All these are already provided for with the EL1, EL2 and EL3. fair point. |
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Post by Buses678 on Aug 7, 2023 19:24:18 GMT
I agree that there isn't a need for the EL4 but using google maps it seems like there might be a new route or one of the Existing rerouted because there are unused stops on Crossness Road, Handley Page Road, Huggett road(unusable yet) and its unlikely that Kings hill road would be left without a bus route when developments finish as EL1 can't be rerouted since it serves Fielders Crescent. Those bus stops are intended for use by the EL3. It was meant to be rerouted on 2017 shortly after its introduction but alas 6 years later its still not happened. i did heard from BRL 2 years ago that they were going to complete the bridge by December this year. Hmm thats funny coz last time i visited it a month ago, still no progress has been made and the 2 bus stops are hoarded full of parked cars. At this point, the Barking Riverside development feels like a fever dream. and whats even worse that the Goblin line aint getting extended to Thamesmead unless it goes underground but it cant be done due to the marsky thames. Barking Riverside is a joke tbh. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 7, 2023 20:00:30 GMT
Those bus stops are intended for use by the EL3. It was meant to be rerouted on 2017 shortly after its introduction but alas 6 years later its still not happened. i did heard from BRL 2 years ago that they were going to complete the bridge by December this year. Hmm thats funny coz last time i visited it a month ago, still no progress has been made and the 2 bus stops are hoarded full of parked cars. At this point, the Barking Riverside development feels like a fever dream. and whats even worse that the Goblin line aint getting extended to Thamesmead unless it goes underground but it cant be done due to the marsky thames. Barking Riverside is a joke tbh.Really? What about having a rail station that prior to last year never existed? It's more connected than several places in London! |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 7, 2023 20:05:34 GMT
Those bus stops are intended for use by the EL3. It was meant to be rerouted on 2017 shortly after its introduction but alas 6 years later its still not happened. i did heard from BRL 2 years ago that they were going to complete the bridge by December this year. Hmm thats funny coz last time i visited it a month ago, still no progress has been made and the 2 bus stops are hoarded full of parked cars. At this point, the Barking Riverside development feels like a fever dream. and whats even worse that the Goblin line aint getting extended to Thamesmead unless it goes underground but it cant be done due to the marsky thames. Barking Riverside is a joke tbh. Have you actually been there? The amount of work done there is immense. The EL1 runs through there on an every 5 minute frequency with the EL2 on one end and the EL3 on the other end. There's now a pier with services right through Central London and there's an Overground Station with a train every 15 minutes right until midnight. The Goblin not going Thamesmead isn't an issue as nobody from Barking Riverside will really need to go there, they'll need to go Central London which is via Barking Station which is where the service goes to. It's certainly one of the nicer and more successful developments going on and one where a lot of thought has actually been put into public transport as opposed to building a load of houses in the middle of nowhere and then giving them nothing but a bus every 12 minutes to sustain everyone there. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 8, 2023 14:03:13 GMT
i think the Route EL2 extension doesnt feel complete to me. Becontree Heath tho? It was extended to assist the 5 between Barking & Becontree Heath so surely it's doing it's job? In reply to your earlier post, the EL routes are on 5 years contracts due to the fact they are allocated LT's - all LT routes are being awarded on 5 year contracts absolutely this. The 5 needed extra capacity between Becontree Heath and Barking. Before I moved from Barking, that additional capacity was quickly swallowed up, not sure what it's like now, but the corridor between Becontree Heath and Goodmayes Lane probably needed even more capacity |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 8, 2023 14:05:16 GMT
Those bus stops are intended for use by the EL3. It was meant to be rerouted on 2017 shortly after its introduction but alas 6 years later its still not happened. i did heard from BRL 2 years ago that they were going to complete the bridge by December this year. Hmm thats funny coz last time i visited it a month ago, still no progress has been made and the 2 bus stops are hoarded full of parked cars. At this point, the Barking Riverside development feels like a fever dream. and whats even worse that the Goblin line aint getting extended to Thamesmead unless it goes underground but it cant be done due to the marsky thames. Barking Riverside is a joke tbh. The proposed DLR extension to Thamesmead will serve a more useful function as it would create links to the Jubilee Line and Stratford. The GOBLIN would literally link it to Barking and that's about it. DLR could also provide a higher frequency to the aream |
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Post by Buses678 on Aug 8, 2023 20:31:57 GMT
okay, thanks for assuring me, its just that developments have been going slow since the pandemic and the end goal for BRL by 2031 looks slim, my hopes for the busway becoming true tbh. i think i was just being way too paranoid that they werent going much faster than before.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 8, 2023 21:28:19 GMT
okay, thanks for assuring me, its just that developments have been going slow since the pandemic and the end goal for BRL by 2031 looks slim, my hopes for the busway becoming true tbh. i think i was just being way too paranoid that they werent going much faster than before. 2031 is 8 years away! |
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Post by Buses678 on Aug 9, 2023 8:33:16 GMT
has anyone heard about a busway returning back but its going to be in Barking Riverside?
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Post by britishguy54 on Sept 20, 2023 17:29:07 GMT
i think the Route EL2 extension doesnt feel complete to me. Becontree Heath tho? There are 4 routes between Becontree Heath and Romford, there doesn't need to be a 5th. Barking has the 5 and that's all it needs. You've already got the 62 and 368 going to Chadwell Heath from the area and a few stops down the EL1 you've got the 86, 296 and 128. Extending the EL2 to Romford would just over-bus the corridor and add a source of unreliability to what is an otherwise very reliable route. There is always the option of having the EL4 follow the 173 then 86, rather than more buses in an already crowded Rush Green area. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 20, 2023 17:41:05 GMT
There are 4 routes between Becontree Heath and Romford, there doesn't need to be a 5th. Barking has the 5 and that's all it needs. You've already got the 62 and 368 going to Chadwell Heath from the area and a few stops down the EL1 you've got the 86, 296 and 128. Extending the EL2 to Romford would just over-bus the corridor and add a source of unreliability to what is an otherwise very reliable route. There is always the option of having the EL4 follow the 173 then 86, rather than more buses in an already crowded Rush Green area. No, because anyone who needs Romford would just take any of the other routes from Becontree Heath. The 173 is perfectly capable of Whalebone Lane's crowds and while the 86 needs support, the support needs to help handle the crowds to Chadwell Heath Lane and not turn off early as otherwise everyone will just stick to using the 86. I keep saying the best way to support the 86 would be to pull the 62 back to the Whalebone Lane junction and send it to Romford, that would give Becontree the link and the 368 can handle the Marks Gate section. The 368 could go Romford, but many 368 users use it as a shuttle to Chadwell Heath Station while the 62 tends to be more popular among local residents. |
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Post by Dad91 on Sept 21, 2023 5:11:52 GMT
To be honest 86 do need support since new Development Goodmayes Tesco new homes being bulid and old homebase homes being bulid area would be busy 86 needs another support adding another route. In the area
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 21, 2023 8:55:32 GMT
To be honest 86 do need support since new Development Goodmayes Tesco new homes being bulid and old homebase homes being bulid area would be busy 86 needs another support adding another route. In the area It is not that bad. More than likely those home built on the former good yard land at Goodmayes Tesco would see more people going to the train than the 86. The same with the houses being built now at the former Seven Kings bus garage. |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 21, 2023 8:59:41 GMT
To be honest 86 do need support since new Development Goodmayes Tesco new homes being bulid and old homebase homes being bulid area would be busy 86 needs another support adding another route. In the area It is not that bad. More than likely those home built on the former good yard land at Goodmayes Tesco would see more people going to the train than the 86. The same with the houses being built now at the former Seven Kings bus garage. I agree, the 86 is busy but think it manages pretty well along that section. |
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Post by britishguy54 on Sept 30, 2023 9:17:39 GMT
modgov.lbbd.gov.uk/internet/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=179&MId=12975&Ver=4This might be of interest. Apparently LBBD are for the EL4 heading from Barking Riverside towards Romford. Though Romford is in Havering, but I’m sure LBH would allow the route to exist in that form. And there’s still TfL to talk to. And considering rumours of the A13 being tunnelled between Lodge Avenue and ASDA, it might not be too far fetched to get the EL4 across the A13 between Renwick Road (near proposed Castle Green LO Station) and Goresbrook Road. It will be a long time before the route exists though, but I guess it’s nice to know it’s still in the cards.
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