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Post by britishguy54 on Dec 28, 2019 16:25:23 GMT
All discussions relating to not yet released, route EL4 can come here, and welcome all.
Edit: Discussion about the proposed Castle Green Overground Station is also welcome here.
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Post by britishguy54 on Dec 28, 2019 18:20:24 GMT
EL4: New Route, more said by TfL themselves
Barking Riverside - Becontree Heath (Confirmed)
Barking Riverside Station (EL1, EL3) (Overground)
Riverside School (EL1, EL3)
Northgate Road/Fielders Crescent (EL1, EL3)
Northgate Road/Choats Road (EL2)
Stern Close (EL2)
Choats Road [New Stop]
Ripple Road [New Stop]
Lodge Avenue/Ripple Road (173, 287, 673, 687)
Lodge Avenue/Maplestead Road [New Stop]
Burnham Road, Monteagle Primary School [New Stop]
Flamstead Road [New Stop]
Goresbrook Road/Gale Street, Jo Richardson Community School [New Stop]
Langley Crescent [New Stop]
Woodward Road [New Stop]
Becontree Station (62, 145) (District Line)
Rusper Road (62, 145)
Ilchester Road, Future Youth Zone (62, 145)
Marlborough Road (62, 145)
Martins Corner, Parsloes Avenue (62, 145) [New Stop]
Charlecote Road (5, EL2, N15)
Winmill Road (5, EL2, N15)
Heathway (5, 173, 175, EL2, N15)
Morris Road (5, 173, 175, EL2, N15)
Becontree Heath Leisure Centre (5, 128, 150, 175, EL2, N15) [Final Stop]
Reason:
TfL is already planning this route to open soon in 2021 at earliest.
Provide Barking Riverside a quicker connection to Becontree Heath
What are your opinions on this route?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 29, 2019 0:38:32 GMT
I've already given my opinion on this route. But I honestly do not see the point of its introduction - it links no town centre to Barking Riverside and just weaves between housing estates. Nothing wrong with routes which weave through Housing estates but it also needs to provide a link to a town centre somewhere  My guess is that the route in the development plan won't be the route that's introduced in the end. What I see is the 173 being cut somewhere on the northern end, then gets diverted through Barking Riverside before continuing onto Beckton with the route renumbered EL4. Every other ELT route has come at the expense of another route so far with the 369 taking the chop for the EL1, the 179 getting cut for the EL2 and the 387 getting chopped for the EL3. I see similar taking place with the EL4. I'm also doubtful that 2021 is realistic for this route, the Barking Riverside development is running behind schedule. The EL3 should have been extended to Northgate Road via a brand new bridge and busway however that is yet to happen, I think that's the next stage for the ELT before something else happens. |
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Post by richard on Dec 29, 2019 1:08:35 GMT
I presume Go-Ahead will run the route from RR?
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Post by busoccultation on Dec 29, 2019 10:53:17 GMT
I presume Go-Ahead will run the route from RR? EL4 is no where near the stage that it should be running so its going to be another few years before even the route is proposed to run considering it will be depending on road/housing infrastructure in order for the route to start and by the time when the route will be staring a lot of things would probably changed by then.
I can also see Arriva DX and Stagecoach BK in contention of running the EL4 along with Go-Ahead RR.
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Post by MoEnviro on Dec 29, 2019 13:11:51 GMT
I presume Go-Ahead will run the route from RR? EL4 is no where near the stage that it should be running so its going to be another few years before even the route is proposed to run considering it will be depending on road/housing infrastructure in order for the route to start and by the time when the route will be staring a lot of things would probably changed by then.
I can also see Arriva DX and Stagecoach BK in contention of running the EL4 along with Go-Ahead RR.
I would have thought it may appear the next time the other EL routes come out for tender. So would that be intro in 2022? |
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Post by richard on Dec 29, 2019 14:17:37 GMT
I presume Go-Ahead will run the route from RR? EL4 is no where near the stage that it should be running so its going to be another few years before even the route is proposed to run considering it will be depending on road/housing infrastructure in order for the route to start and by the time when the route will be staring a lot of things would probably changed by then.
I can also see Arriva DX and Stagecoach BK in contention of running the EL4 along with Go-Ahead RR.
I think RR will be more suited as they have more experienced with LTs if they are getting them that is |
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Post by george on Dec 29, 2019 14:22:05 GMT
EL4 is no where near the stage that it should be running so its going to be another few years before even the route is proposed to run considering it will be depending on road/housing infrastructure in order for the route to start and by the time when the route will be staring a lot of things would probably changed by then.
I can also see Arriva DX and Stagecoach BK in contention of running the EL4 along with Go-Ahead RR.
I think RR will be more suited as they have more experienced with LTs if they are getting them that is I get what you're saying but at one point or another every garage has had to get used to a new type. TF recently took on an LT route and as far as I can tell they aren't having any problem with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 14:36:50 GMT
EL4 is no where near the stage that it should be running so its going to be another few years before even the route is proposed to run considering it will be depending on road/housing infrastructure in order for the route to start and by the time when the route will be staring a lot of things would probably changed by then.
I can also see Arriva DX and Stagecoach BK in contention of running the EL4 along with Go-Ahead RR.
I think RR will be more suited as they have more experienced with LTs if they are getting them that is As others have said the EL4 could be introduced at the same time as the EL1 2 and 3 are up for tender, we could see BK gain all 4 routes but space could be a issue! |
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Post by richard on Dec 29, 2019 14:43:07 GMT
I think RR will be more suited as they have more experienced with LTs if they are getting them that is As others have said the EL4 could be introduced at the same time as the EL1 2 and 3 are up for tender, we could see BK gain all 4 routes but space could be a issue! Isn't RR the biggest out of the three capacity wise? |
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Post by george on Dec 29, 2019 14:46:42 GMT
As others have said the EL4 could be introduced at the same time as the EL1 2 and 3 are up for tender, we could see BK gain all 4 routes but space could be a issue! Isn't RR the biggest out of the three capacity wise? RR is the biggest garage in london I think. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 29, 2019 14:49:27 GMT
Isn't RR the biggest out of the three capacity wise? RR is the biggest garage in london I think. Second biggest if I'm right with space for 300 buses, WH edges ahead with space for 320 buses. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 14:49:35 GMT
As others have said the EL4 could be introduced at the same time as the EL1 2 and 3 are up for tender, we could see BK gain all 4 routes but space could be a issue! Isn't RR the biggest out of the three capacity wise? I was suggesting Stagecoach could bid for all the routes from BK. |
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Post by richard on Dec 29, 2019 15:01:22 GMT
RR is the biggest garage in london I think. Second biggest if I'm right with space for 300 buses, WH edges ahead with space for 320 buses. Isn't WH the biggest not just in London but in Europe? |
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Post by richard on Dec 29, 2019 15:04:23 GMT
Isn't RR the biggest out of the three capacity wise? I was suggesting Stagecoach could bid for all the routes from BK. Yes I know but I was thinking of all three BK,DX,RR |
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