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Post by LondonExplorer316 on May 23, 2023 5:59:50 GMT
I'll make a larger post on this thread now I've rediscovered it: 13, 79, 105, 117, 125, 223 (oh well it's coming back anyway  ), 224, 235, 258 (First Centrewest is now Metroline West), 266, 395, E1, E3 H12, H14, N5, and X140 all back home to Metroline, I hate RATP's appalling service on these routes. I will also include the likes of 195, E5, E7, E10, and E11 from Abellio as I lived my childhood with them being operated by Centrewst/Metroline West. 49 and 452 back to Abellio, RATP run them horribly 69 back to Stagecoach Might add more later on Poor old RATP. Thing is I could have listed twice the amount of routes. Albeit I don't want RATP to lose everything, they should have to give up a lot of routes they struggle to run. For example, I need to get the 452 very often and usually, as it often runs in fours, fives and even sixes at times, I have to opt for getting a bus to Victoria and then a 36 or a 44 (depending on where I want to go). |
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Post by northlondon83 on May 23, 2023 8:34:41 GMT
I'll make a larger post on this thread now I've rediscovered it: 13, 79, 105, 117, 125, 223 (oh well it's coming back anyway ), 224, 235, 258 (First Centrewest is now Metroline West), 266, 395, E1, E3 H12, H14, N5, and X140 all back home to Metroline, I hate RATP's appalling service on these routes. I will also include the likes of 195, E5, E7, E10, and E11 from Abellio as I lived my childhood with them being operated by Centrewst/Metroline West. 49 and 452 back to Abellio, RATP run them horribly 69 back to Stagecoach Might add more later on I actually don't mind Abellio taking routes like the E7, the interiors of Abellio routes are actually quite decent. 207 I would like to switch operators to Metroline because some of the older buses are quite shabby |
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on May 23, 2023 15:45:26 GMT
I'll make a larger post on this thread now I've rediscovered it: 13, 79, 105, 117, 125, 223 (oh well it's coming back anyway ), 224, 235, 258 (First Centrewest is now Metroline West), 266, 395, E1, E3 H12, H14, N5, and X140 all back home to Metroline, I hate RATP's appalling service on these routes. I will also include the likes of 195, E5, E7, E10, and E11 from Abellio as I lived my childhood with them being operated by Centrewst/Metroline West. 49 and 452 back to Abellio, RATP run them horribly 69 back to Stagecoach Might add more later on I actually don't mind Abellio taking routes like the E7, the interiors of Abellio routes are actually quite decent. 207 I would like to switch operators to Metroline because some of the older buses are quite shabby Agreed, I forgot to add it actually! |
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Post by VMH2537 on May 23, 2023 16:00:19 GMT
217, 298, 299, 327, 389, 399 and W9 from Sullivan back to their previous operater. Service quality isn't at best and would rather have them ideally returned to their old places.
Other mentions are the 34 to PB, 191 to NP and the 307 to PB
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Post by northlondon83 on May 23, 2023 16:04:09 GMT
217, 298, 299, 327, 389, 399 and W9 from Sullivan back to their previous operater. Service quality isn't at best and would rather have them ideally returned to their old places. Other mentions are the 34 to PB, 191 to NP and the 307 to PB You must not like Arriva |
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Post by towerman on May 23, 2023 17:25:03 GMT
In a perfect world the 38 to be Victoria-Leyton Green and allocated to its ancestral home of T.
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Post by LK65EBO on May 23, 2023 19:05:24 GMT
I'll make a larger post on this thread now I've rediscovered it: 13, 79, 105, 117, 125, 223 (oh well it's coming back anyway ), 224, 235, 258 (First Centrewest is now Metroline West), 266, 395, E1, E3 H12, H14, N5, and X140 all back home to Metroline, I hate RATP's appalling service on these routes. I will also include the likes of 195, E5, E7, E10, and E11 from Abellio as I lived my childhood with them being operated by Centrewst/Metroline West. 49 and 452 back to Abellio, RATP run them horribly 69 back to Stagecoach Might add more later on Poor old RATP. Not for those who use their routes! |
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Post by RM1_Enthusiast on May 23, 2023 21:06:26 GMT
Mine for Havering:
128 back to Arriva
5, 103 and 175 back to Stagecoach
I wish that the Grays Garage routes were becoming part of Arriva Kent Thameside again!
I wish for First London to come back and grab 165, 193, 252 and 365 again!
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 27, 2023 4:39:01 GMT
I'll make a larger post on this thread now I've rediscovered it: 13, 79, 105, 117, 125, 223 (oh well it's coming back anyway ), 224, 235, 258 (First Centrewest is now Metroline West), 266, 395, E1, E3 H12, H14, N5, and X140 all back home to Metroline, I hate RATP's appalling service on these routes. I will also include the likes of 195, E5, E7, E10, and E11 from Abellio as I lived my childhood with them being operated by Centrewst/Metroline West. 49 and 452 back to Abellio, RATP run them horribly 69 back to Stagecoach Might add more later on Whilst yes the service isn't great (has improved somewhat though), going by presentation standrds I'm very pleased Metroline lost the 235 and 117. All the buses were crusty, and the 117's DEs always had loose blinds and were absolutely knackered, it's no wonder the majority left not long after. Plus we got the MCMs after which are fab  I don't suppose anyone can remember why the routes didn't get extensions, was it performance or did they just reject it? My guess is performance as previously they have accepted them when offered for routes around that time e.g. 120, 222 etc.
195 I'd love to see back to G, the buses themselves are pretty awful and the drivers aren't great either...
So far I'd also like to see the H32 and H91 back to RATP, from what I've seen there's the same if not more bunching going on, although I'll reserve my final judgement until the next set of graphs come out whenever that is.
My favourite batons are crusty. Back to buses, and I prefer RATP for routes 117, 235 (once the BEs enter service) and H91. I prefer Abellio for routes 195 & H32. The Abellio route I wish would return to Metroline is route E7. I'd similarly like Metroline to gain route 278 next time, from UX. An eastern cascade starting with route 114 to EW or HD may be inevitable to accommodate it though. This is because I like as many routes as possible serving Southall to be Abellio, but Metroline routes not to be so far south that they never see the Metropolitan Line. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 27, 2023 4:52:32 GMT
217, 298, 299, 327, 389, 399 and W9 from Sullivan back to their previous operater. Service quality isn't at best and would rather have them ideally returned to their old places. Other mentions are the 34 to PB, 191 to NP and the 307 to PB My preferred operators for those routes are Arriva - 34, 217, 307 (as good as traditional routes in Arriva heartland and - apart from route 217 - heading east of Metroline territory past an Arriva garage) Go-Ahead - 191, 299, 327, W9 (in each case due to Capital Citybus, Eastern National or Thamesway history and NP being their actual or spiritual successor) Metroline - 298 (for serving Potters Bar) Uno - 389, 399 plus Sullivan school routes for good measure. |
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Post by northlondon83 on May 27, 2023 7:41:28 GMT
Whilst yes the service isn't great (has improved somewhat though), going by presentation standrds I'm very pleased Metroline lost the 235 and 117. All the buses were crusty, and the 117's DEs always had loose blinds and were absolutely knackered, it's no wonder the majority left not long after. Plus we got the MCMs after which are fab I don't suppose anyone can remember why the routes didn't get extensions, was it performance or did they just reject it? My guess is performance as previously they have accepted them when offered for routes around that time e.g. 120, 222 etc.
195 I'd love to see back to G, the buses themselves are pretty awful and the drivers aren't great either...
So far I'd also like to see the H32 and H91 back to RATP, from what I've seen there's the same if not more bunching going on, although I'll reserve my final judgement until the next set of graphs come out whenever that is.
My favourite batons are crusty. Back to buses, and I prefer RATP for routes 117, 235 (once the BEs enter service) and H91. I prefer Abellio for routes 195 & H32. The Abellio route I wish would return to Metroline is route E7. I'd similarly like Metroline to gain route 278 next time, from UX. An eastern cascade starting with route 114 to EW or HD may be inevitable to accommodate it though. This is because I like as many routes as possible serving Southall to be Abellio, but Metroline routes not to be so far south that they never see the Metropolitan Line. I'd like to see the 481 back to Abellio. I'd also like to see Metroline expanding into RATP territory in SW London like Twickenham, Richmond, Kingston |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 27, 2023 21:02:10 GMT
My favourite batons are crusty. Back to buses, and I prefer RATP for routes 117, 235 (once the BEs enter service) and H91. I prefer Abellio for routes 195 & H32. The Abellio route I wish would return to Metroline is route E7. I'd similarly like Metroline to gain route 278 next time, from UX. An eastern cascade starting with route 114 to EW or HD may be inevitable to accommodate it though. This is because I like as many routes as possible serving Southall to be Abellio, but Metroline routes not to be so far south that they never see the Metropolitan Line. I'd like to see the 481 back to Abellio. I'd also like to see Metroline expanding into RATP territory in SW London like Twickenham, Richmond, Kingston I'd quite like route 481 back with Abellio. Although this would create a really long list, I often like traditional routes and maybe their successors staying with the applicable ex-LBL company and modern routes with independents or their successors. In practice there is far too much crossover and too many examples and exceptions to give many other examples. |
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Post by cardinal on May 28, 2023 4:57:05 GMT
My favourite batons are crusty. Back to buses, and I prefer RATP for routes 117, 235 (once the BEs enter service) and H91. I prefer Abellio for routes 195 & H32. The Abellio route I wish would return to Metroline is route E7. I'd similarly like Metroline to gain route 278 next time, from UX. An eastern cascade starting with route 114 to EW or HD may be inevitable to accommodate it though. This is because I like as many routes as possible serving Southall to be Abellio, but Metroline routes not to be so far south that they never see the Metropolitan Line. I'd like to see the 481 back to Abellio. I'd also like to see Metroline expanding into RATP territory in SW London like Twickenham, Richmond, Kingston Metroline aren’t all that good. They’re not awful but there is nothing special at all about them and the service reliability is suffering now. It’s been great having better buses on the 117 and AV run it very well. |
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on May 28, 2023 5:05:50 GMT
I'd like to see the 481 back to Abellio. I'd also like to see Metroline expanding into RATP territory in SW London like Twickenham, Richmond, Kingston Metroline aren’t all that good. They’re not awful but there is nothing special at all about them and the service reliability is suffering now. It’s been great having better buses on the 117 and AV run it very well. I feel like they can struggle with some routes being worked from bases that aren't best placed for the route (cough cough 316 at WJ), but RATP cannot run routes at all. When all their (RATP's) graphs look nothing short of horrific on routes like 288, which GR ran like clockwork (GR was not perfect either mind), Metroline struggling a little with the 117 seems like nothing. However, I do like the MCMs but wish drivers would put them to their paces as 117 drivers seem to be very slow. |
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Post by cardinal on May 28, 2023 5:11:43 GMT
Metroline aren’t all that good. They’re not awful but there is nothing special at all about them and the service reliability is suffering now. It’s been great having better buses on the 117 and AV run it very well. I feel like they can struggle with some routes being worked from bases that aren't best placed for the route (cough cough 316 at WJ), but RATP cannot run routes at all. When all their (RATP's) graphs look nothing short of horrific on routes like 288, which GR ran like clockwork (GR was not perfect either mind), Metroline struggling a little with the 117 seems like nothing. However, I do like the MCMs but wish drivers would put them to their paces as 117 drivers seem to be very slow. The graphs are just that , graphs. I use both firms routes and there isn’t much difference at all. I don’t know why RATP gets such bad press on here because the reality isn’t as bad as gets made out. Metroline’s performance is actually on a downward trajectory whereas RATP is up slightly. Whether that will continue who knows. Having said that I’ve never been hugely inconvenienced by either firms routes, so as I said it’s all down to preference and individuals opinions. Ps - slow 😀 I always fall asleep on the 83 or 483 |
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), 224, 235, 258 (First Centrewest is now Metroline West), 266, 395, E1, E3 H12, H14, N5, and X140 all back home to Metroline, I hate RATP's appalling service on these routes. I will also include the likes of 195, E5, E7, E10, and E11 from Abellio as I lived my childhood with them being operated by Centrewst/Metroline West.
