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Post by wirewiper on Oct 26, 2021 18:13:41 GMT
To be honest I don't think the weekend night routes will be coming back, TfL is cash strapped and with buses being cut left right and centre I can't see the weekend night buses coming back. TfL also seem to be pretty vocal about the night tube returning but there doesn't seem to be a word about the buses which is another reason I fear their return is slower. Out of curiosity what’s the rationale behind re-starting the night tube? It’s not as if it ever made money It supports London's night-time economy and will help its recovery. It doesn't need to make a profit in itself if it supports other economic and social objectives.
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Post by abellion on Oct 26, 2021 18:41:53 GMT
To be honest I don't think the weekend night routes will be coming back, TfL is cash strapped and with buses being cut left right and centre I can't see the weekend night buses coming back. TfL also seem to be pretty vocal about the night tube returning but there doesn't seem to be a word about the buses which is another reason I fear their return is slower. Out of curiosity what’s the rationale behind re-starting the night tube? It’s not as if it ever made money There was a petition recently to bring it back because women felt unsafe going home at night
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Post by ronnie on Oct 26, 2021 20:56:21 GMT
Out of curiosity what’s the rationale behind re-starting the night tube? It’s not as if it ever made money It supports London's night-time economy and will help its recovery. It doesn't need to make a profit in itself if it supports other economic and social objectives. All fair, guess buses trundle around for enthusiasts’ fantasies all day and night
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Post by vjaska on Oct 26, 2021 22:19:22 GMT
Out of curiosity what’s the rationale behind re-starting the night tube? It’s not as if it ever made money It supports London's night-time economy and will help its recovery. It doesn't need to make a profit in itself if it supports other economic and social objectives. That should be the reason it's returning but let's be frank, the only reason it's coming back so soon is people signed a petition to have it restarted merely because apparently, the tube is safer for a woman than something like a bus
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 26, 2021 22:41:23 GMT
It supports London's night-time economy and will help its recovery. It doesn't need to make a profit in itself if it supports other economic and social objectives. That should be the reason it's returning but let's be frank, the only reason it's coming back so soon is people signed a petition to have it restarted merely because apparently, the tube is safer for a woman than something like a bus It’s stupid of those people to assume a woman is safer on the night tube when there is a minimal amount of staff in stations, less access to those staff as they may not be working the gate line all night but rather doing safety checks or other important work and then of course there is still the journey from the station to their home to consider which may involve a mini cab or Uber, both known to be a breeding ground for sexual assaults. If anything it makes women slightly more vulnerable at night.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 27, 2021 0:18:18 GMT
That should be the reason it's returning but let's be frank, the only reason it's coming back so soon is people signed a petition to have it restarted merely because apparently, the tube is safer for a woman than something like a bus It’s stupid of those people to assume a woman is safer on the night tube when there is a minimal amount of staff in stations, less access to those staff as they may not be working the gate line all night but rather doing safety checks or other important work and then of course there is still the journey from the station to their home to consider which may involve a mini cab or Uber, both known to be a breeding ground for sexual assaults. If anything it makes women slightly more vulnerable at night. Well said and when I personally go on a night out I don't mind what way I come back providing it's the quickest. Waiting at bus stops at night is dodgy as well, especially if the night bus runs every half an hour because that leads to quite a lot of waiting time at a stop.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 27, 2021 5:37:40 GMT
That should be the reason it's returning but let's be frank, the only reason it's coming back so soon is people signed a petition to have it restarted merely because apparently, the tube is safer for a woman than something like a bus It’s stupid of those people to assume a woman is safer on the night tube when there is a minimal amount of staff in stations, less access to those staff as they may not be working the gate line all night but rather doing safety checks or other important work and then of course there is still the journey from the station to their home to consider which may involve a mini cab or Uber, both known to be a breeding ground for sexual assaults. If anything it makes women slightly more vulnerable at night. I don't go along with the theory about women being safer but it was always intended that the night tube would resume. Presumably not all the Fri/Sat night bus services will resume but hopefully those in tubeless SE London will.
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Post by uakari on Nov 1, 2021 18:46:48 GMT
With the new housing developments around Mill Hill East, perhaps it's time it got a night bus, at least at weekends, once the night tube comes back if they restore the 24hr weekend routes? Mill Hill East probably won't get night tube itself as it didn't have it before.
What would be the best way to achieve this? Potential options:
382 to link with Finchley Central night tube, but would probably struggle with demand on other sections at night as very residential
240 to link with Golders Green night tube, also brings in Mill Hill Village and Mill Hill Broadway
221 is walking distance from West Finchley night tube
Extend 139 from Golders Green to Finchley Central at night, then via Dollis Road to terminate at Mill Hill East station. Passes both Golders Green and Finchley Central night tube.
Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2021 18:54:24 GMT
With the new housing developments around Mill Hill East, perhaps it's time it got a night bus, at least at weekends, once the night tube comes back if they restore the 24hr weekend routes? Mill Hill East probably won't get night tube itself as it didn't have it before. What would be the best way to achieve this? Potential options: 382 to link with Finchley Central night tube, but would probably struggle with demand on other sections at night as very residential 240 to link with Golders Green night tube, also brings in Mill Hill Village and Mill Hill Broadway 221 is walking distance from West Finchley night tube Extend 139 from Golders Green to Finchley Central at night, then via Dollis Road to terminate at Mill Hill East station. Passes both Golders Green and Finchley Central night tube. Thoughts? I'd personally go for the 221 since it serves quite a few night tube stations like Wood Green, West Finchley and Edgware. Though I'm not sure how much demand there would be in some parts of Mill Hill, especially east of the motorway it's just residential areas.
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Post by uakari on Nov 1, 2021 18:58:42 GMT
With the new housing developments around Mill Hill East, perhaps it's time it got a night bus, at least at weekends, once the night tube comes back if they restore the 24hr weekend routes? Mill Hill East probably won't get night tube itself as it didn't have it before. What would be the best way to achieve this? Potential options: 382 to link with Finchley Central night tube, but would probably struggle with demand on other sections at night as very residential 240 to link with Golders Green night tube, also brings in Mill Hill Village and Mill Hill Broadway 221 is walking distance from West Finchley night tube Extend 139 from Golders Green to Finchley Central at night, then via Dollis Road to terminate at Mill Hill East station. Passes both Golders Green and Finchley Central night tube. Thoughts? I'd personally go for the 221 since it serves quite a few night tube stations like Wood Green, West Finchley and Edgware. Though I'm not sure how much demand there would be in some parts of Mill Hill, especially east of the motorway it's just residential areas. It depends how quickly the night time economy recovers. In that area I think the main demand would come from people in the new developments wanting to get back from central London at night, rather than from night workers or people connecting from outer London town centres.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 1, 2021 19:23:48 GMT
With the new housing developments around Mill Hill East, perhaps it's time it got a night bus, at least at weekends, once the night tube comes back if they restore the 24hr weekend routes? Mill Hill East probably won't get night tube itself as it didn't have it before. What would be the best way to achieve this? Potential options: 382 to link with Finchley Central night tube, but would probably struggle with demand on other sections at night as very residential 240 to link with Golders Green night tube, also brings in Mill Hill Village and Mill Hill Broadway 221 is walking distance from West Finchley night tube Extend 139 from Golders Green to Finchley Central at night, then via Dollis Road to terminate at Mill Hill East station. Passes both Golders Green and Finchley Central night tube. Thoughts? The 139 isn't needed however in theory it would be nice re-linking Temple Fortune/Finchley Central to the West End at night seeing as the N13 used to be very popular round there back in the day.
The 221 is the best idea.
The 382 no because the last buses tend to be pretty empty but I'd encourage looking at the daytime frequency and perhaps adjusting it that to the peak demand.
The 240 no because the route is pretty dead at night.
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Post by kmkcheng on Nov 1, 2021 19:26:14 GMT
With the new housing developments around Mill Hill East, perhaps it's time it got a night bus, at least at weekends, once the night tube comes back if they restore the 24hr weekend routes? Mill Hill East probably won't get night tube itself as it didn't have it before. What would be the best way to achieve this? Potential options: 382 to link with Finchley Central night tube, but would probably struggle with demand on other sections at night as very residential 240 to link with Golders Green night tube, also brings in Mill Hill Village and Mill Hill Broadway 221 is walking distance from West Finchley night tube Extend 139 from Golders Green to Finchley Central at night, then via Dollis Road to terminate at Mill Hill East station. Passes both Golders Green and Finchley Central night tube. Thoughts? The 221 seems like the better option but can’t see it getting any further than an idea. Not sure of demand for the local journeys it provides east of Finchley as that section already has multiple direct night buses to Central London. As for the Mill Hill area, it is highly residential so could come up against lots of resistance from the locals who don’t want buses through the night
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Post by VMH2537 on Nov 1, 2021 20:25:45 GMT
With the new housing developments around Mill Hill East, perhaps it's time it got a night bus, at least at weekends, once the night tube comes back if they restore the 24hr weekend routes? Mill Hill East probably won't get night tube itself as it didn't have it before. What would be the best way to achieve this? Potential options: 382 to link with Finchley Central night tube, but would probably struggle with demand on other sections at night as very residential 240 to link with Golders Green night tube, also brings in Mill Hill Village and Mill Hill Broadway 221 is walking distance from West Finchley night tube Extend 139 from Golders Green to Finchley Central at night, then via Dollis Road to terminate at Mill Hill East station. Passes both Golders Green and Finchley Central night tube. Thoughts? The 221 doesn't have the demand unlike other major orbital routes i.e 34 and 102 particularly as there is already a night service routing between Wood Green and New Southgate.There are other option ideas on diverting the 13 to Mill Hill East from Finchley Central linking directly to the West End.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 1, 2021 20:35:36 GMT
With the new housing developments around Mill Hill East, perhaps it's time it got a night bus, at least at weekends, once the night tube comes back if they restore the 24hr weekend routes? Mill Hill East probably won't get night tube itself as it didn't have it before. What would be the best way to achieve this? Potential options: 382 to link with Finchley Central night tube, but would probably struggle with demand on other sections at night as very residential 240 to link with Golders Green night tube, also brings in Mill Hill Village and Mill Hill Broadway 221 is walking distance from West Finchley night tube Extend 139 from Golders Green to Finchley Central at night, then via Dollis Road to terminate at Mill Hill East station. Passes both Golders Green and Finchley Central night tube. Thoughts? The 221 doesn't have the demand unlike other major orbital routes i.e 34 and 102 particularly as there is already a night service routing between Wood Green and New Southgate.There are other option ideas on diverting the 13 to Mill Hill East from Finchley Central linking directly to the West End. Dollis Road has very little demand during the day let alone any demand at night. I'd be brutal here and say that it might actually be worth cutting the 382 back to Finchley Central, but the Mill Hill East to Finchley Central link is quite a precious one (despite the Tube doing it) and Millbrook Park would be left without a service.
I think the 221 would be the better option and I recall you suggesting a similar idea earlier on in the year. I'd certainly be enticed to use an N221.
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Post by uakari on Nov 1, 2021 20:36:45 GMT
With the new housing developments around Mill Hill East, perhaps it's time it got a night bus, at least at weekends, once the night tube comes back if they restore the 24hr weekend routes? Mill Hill East probably won't get night tube itself as it didn't have it before. What would be the best way to achieve this? Potential options: 382 to link with Finchley Central night tube, but would probably struggle with demand on other sections at night as very residential 240 to link with Golders Green night tube, also brings in Mill Hill Village and Mill Hill Broadway 221 is walking distance from West Finchley night tube Extend 139 from Golders Green to Finchley Central at night, then via Dollis Road to terminate at Mill Hill East station. Passes both Golders Green and Finchley Central night tube. Thoughts? The 221 doesn't have the demand unlike other major orbital routes i.e 34 and 102 particularly as there is already a night service routing between Wood Green and New Southgate.There are other option ideas on diverting the 13 to Mill Hill East from Finchley Central linking directly to the West End. I guess that could work as the N20 already covers Finchley Central to North Finchley. I don't know whether the 13 would still be more in demand between those two places at night or between Finchley Central and Mill Hill East at night.
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