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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 28, 2023 14:30:36 GMT
I don’t know if it would need to go as far as Richmond but I think a weekend night bus following the overground from Stratford to Camden Road could be quite well used. There are quite a few weekend night hotspots along the way (Camden, Dalston, Hackney Wick and Stratford) that could generate demand. It would also link to the night tube at 5 night tube lines (Northern, Piccadilly, Victoria Central and Jubilee) Would probably be best to just introduce a weekend night service on the Overground along this section. Could continue further via West Hampstead, offering interchange to the Jubilee and Thameslink, maybe terminating at Willesden Junction? Otherwise you could maybe introduce a night service on the 30, extending beyond Hackney Wick to Stratford City via the 388? This would link all places you mention other than Camden, but with interchange available at Kings Cross or Euston. This could also replace part of the N277, with the 277 just becoming a 24-hour service to Dalston Junction. You cannot run Overground services at night on the weekend due to maintenance taking place at night on Saturday evenings into Sunday morning and freight movements taking advantage of there being no London Overground services operating. If you want a night service it would need to be in the form of a rail replacement service. |
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Post by uakari on Aug 28, 2023 14:41:40 GMT
What if someone works late shifts or early morning shifts in Willesden and lives in Golders Green. They have no other choice. What if someone works in Penge but lives in Twickenham? The fact is that both Golders Green and Willesden are already well served by night buses individually; there's no particular need to link them. Better to concentrate on the many night bus deserts. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 28, 2023 16:12:18 GMT
What if someone works late shifts or early morning shifts in Willesden and lives in Golders Green. They have no other choice. What if someone works in Penge but lives in Twickenham? The fact is that both Golders Green and Willesden are already well served by night buses individually; there's no particular need to link them. Better to concentrate on the many night bus deserts. Your example isn't great I'm afraid. Both towns are far from London. The commute in the day would be bad enough. Even so Penge to Twickenham via the 176 and N22 doesn't sound too unfeasible, it's a far contrast from Willesden or Cricklewood to Golders Green where as others have said you'd need to get a bus to Marble Arch then change to the 13 which takes ages for such a small displacement |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 28, 2023 16:13:00 GMT
Why is it that places like Harold Hill get a night route but places like Ruislip don't
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 28, 2023 16:24:29 GMT
Why is it that places like Harold Hill get a night route but places like Ruislip don't What’s wrong with Harold Hill? |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 28, 2023 16:38:36 GMT
Why is it that places like Harold Hill get a night route but places like Ruislip don't What’s wrong with Harold Hill? Nothing is wrong with it but it just seems unfair. Harold Hill doesn't have a train station whereas Ruislip does and there's more shops and amenities in Ruislip than Harold Hill. Obviously these will be closed at night but I still find it unfair |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 28, 2023 16:51:53 GMT
Unfair… oh please. Well if the shops are closed at night then what is the point of mentioning this. Did you ever think Harold Hill is a residential area?
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Post by WH241 on Aug 28, 2023 17:11:02 GMT
Unfair… oh please. Well if the shops are closed at night then what is the point of mentioning this. Did you ever think Harold Hill is a residential area? I am surprised northlondon83 has started up the whole debate again. I am trying to be as polite as possible when I say this but it does almost feel like they are trying to stir up the same debate time and time again.
Harold Hill has had a night bus since 1984 with the N98 (Renumbered N25 in 1995) so there is clearly demand there. I am not sure if there was a service before this?
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 28, 2023 17:23:05 GMT
Unfair… oh please. Well if the shops are closed at night then what is the point of mentioning this. Did you ever think Harold Hill is a residential area? You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in an area with no bus routes at night and you needed to use them. Harold Hill is a residential area but so is Ruislip and a lot of the surrounding areas with no night routes |
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Post by busoccultation on Aug 28, 2023 17:30:56 GMT
Unfair… oh please. Well if the shops are closed at night then what is the point of mentioning this. Did you ever think Harold Hill is a residential area? You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in an area with no bus routes at night and you needed to use them. Harold Hill is a residential area but so is Ruislip and a lot of the surrounding areas with no night routes All you saying is just because you live near to Ruislip which doesn't have a night service currently and that you decided to withdraw night service from Harold Hill which is not only a residential area as it is also has loads of people that live there who are on lower income jobs and jobs that involves starting or finishing at early hours of the morning, which you decided to benefit your massive ego rather than making things that already works for everyone else. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 28, 2023 17:34:59 GMT
You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in an area with no bus routes at night and you needed to use them. Harold Hill is a residential area but so is Ruislip and a lot of the surrounding areas with no night routes All you saying is just because you live near to Ruislip which doesn't have a night service currently and that you decided to withdraw night service from Harold Hill which is not only a residential area as it is also has loads of people that live there who are on lower income jobs and jobs that involves starting or finishing at early hours of the morning, which you decided to benefit your massive ego rather than making things that already works for everyone else. I never said that the night service in Harold Hill should be withdrawn! Stop making up stuff like that and maybe think before you make such a ridiculous post |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 28, 2023 18:07:43 GMT
Unfair… oh please. Well if the shops are closed at night then what is the point of mentioning this. Did you ever think Harold Hill is a residential area? You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in an area with no bus routes at night and you needed to use them. Harold Hill is a residential area but so is Ruislip and a lot of the surrounding areas with no night routes If I lived in an area with no Night bus I would not rely on one form of transportation to get from A 2 B. When I was at DT a few occasions I got a lift to Northend Road to get the N89 home when car was getting work done on it. For 5 years the N171 was removed from the Hither Green & Catford East area. I simply walked home 25 mins from a N47 or N136 if I had to use a Night bus. Overall not being harsh who cares. Why would you compare Harold Hill and Ruislip. The way I see it you’re saying Harold Hill should not have one and Ruislip should. When you make posts in future I suggest you go through them as members may misinterpret what you post. Like earlier today you were on about the 260 and now your comparing Harold Hill with Ruislip. If you simply suggested a Night service in Ruislip without mentioning Harold Hill then you would get a very different response in relation to the 260 and now Ruislip comments. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 28, 2023 18:15:52 GMT
You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in an area with no bus routes at night and you needed to use them. Harold Hill is a residential area but so is Ruislip and a lot of the surrounding areas with no night routes If I lived in an area with no Night bus I would not rely on one form of transportation to get from A 2 B. When I was at DT a few occasions I got a lift to Northend Road to get the N89 home when car was getting work done on it. For 5 years the N171 was removed from the Hither Green & Catford East area. I simply walked home 25 mins from a N47 or N136 if I had to use a Night bus. Overall not being harsh who cares. Why would you compare Harold Hill and Ruislip. The way I see it you’re saying Harold Hill should not have one and Ruislip should. When you make posts in future I suggest you go through them as members may misinterpret what you post. Like earlier today you were on about the 260 and now your comparing Harold Hill with Ruislip. If you simply suggested a Night service in Ruislip without mentioning Harold Hill then you would get a very different response in relation to the 260 and now Ruislip comments. Since I live near Ruislip I am more likely to defend installing a night route than defend somewhere in East London having one. Just like the East London folk on here seem to jump on me whenever I make a comment on anything East London |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 28, 2023 19:08:59 GMT
If I lived in an area with no Night bus I would not rely on one form of transportation to get from A 2 B. When I was at DT a few occasions I got a lift to Northend Road to get the N89 home when car was getting work done on it. For 5 years the N171 was removed from the Hither Green & Catford East area. I simply walked home 25 mins from a N47 or N136 if I had to use a Night bus. Overall not being harsh who cares. Why would you compare Harold Hill and Ruislip. The way I see it you’re saying Harold Hill should not have one and Ruislip should. When you make posts in future I suggest you go through them as members may misinterpret what you post. Like earlier today you were on about the 260 and now your comparing Harold Hill with Ruislip. If you simply suggested a Night service in Ruislip without mentioning Harold Hill then you would get a very different response in relation to the 260 and now Ruislip comments. Since I live near Ruislip I am more likely to defend installing a night route than defend somewhere in East London having one. Just like the East London folk on here seem to jump on me whenever I make a comment on anything East London Let's bring some figures into this discussion. The closest figures we have to Ruislip deserving a night service is when the 114 was weekend night until the Pandemic. The most recent figure before Covid hit from the 2018-19 period the 114 carried 22,458 people. By contrast the 145 carried 33,216 people. Now this obviously assumes some factors and the biggest is that a night route ideally needs to carry more people than the 145 to be viable. The 145 is a route that was withdrawn effectively in cold blood with no replacement at all and its users left with no alternative with mitigations to existing routes. If the 145 carried over 10K more people than the 114 did would you say the N114 would be justified considering the N145 isn't? Now seeing as for some absurd reason Harold Hill's night service has been compared to Ruilsip's one let's compare the N114 to the N86. There'll be the argument that the N86s usage comes from more than Harold Hill, but the N114s usage will obviously come from more than Ruislip too and it's the closest estimate that we have. The N114s usage divided by 2 (for 2 days of the week) is 11,229 while the N86s usage divided by 7 (for 7 days of the week) is 46,652. Think its needless to say that Ruislip and Harold Hill cannot be compared in this situation, and that the figures show that Ruislip didn't even heavily use the night service when it had it. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 28, 2023 19:20:56 GMT
All you saying is just because you live near to Ruislip which doesn't have a night service currently and that you decided to withdraw night service from Harold Hill which is not only a residential area as it is also has loads of people that live there who are on lower income jobs and jobs that involves starting or finishing at early hours of the morning, which you decided to benefit your massive ego rather than making things that already works for everyone else. I never said that the night service in Harold Hill should be withdrawn! Stop making up stuff like that and maybe think before you make such a ridiculous post I would suggest you read back on some of the posts you made today about night buses. I am trying to give you the benefit of doubt but sometimes it feels like you are being a wind - up merchant.
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