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Post by britishguy54 on Jan 19, 2020 15:26:17 GMT
New Night route:
N287: Ilford - Lakeside
Via:
Ilford Lane
Barking Station
Barking Town Centre
Ripple Road
Dagenham ASDA
New Road
Dovers Corner
Rainham Station
Aveley
Lakeside Shopping Centre
Via current routes 169, 287 and 372
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 19, 2020 15:56:31 GMT
407 weekend night service as the route it uses from Sutton to Croydon has no 24 hour service. X26 possibly, but as flights at Heathrow don’t operate 24 hours a day this is probably the reason why. The N9 and N140 go to Heathrow Central, with the N9 continuing past to Heathrow Terminal 5 & Compass Centre. I don't see why the X26 doesn't have a night route. |
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Post by greenboy on Jan 19, 2020 16:03:29 GMT
407 weekend night service as the route it uses from Sutton to Croydon has no 24 hour service. X26 possibly, but as flights at Heathrow don’t operate 24 hours a day this is probably the reason why. The N9 and N140 go to Heathrow Central, with the N9 continuing past to Heathrow Terminal 5 & Compass Centre. I don't see why the X26 doesn't have a night route. It might be a bit excessive with the 213 and 285 having night services. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 19, 2020 16:09:45 GMT
The N213 supposedly only had 29,000 passengers a year between Sutton and West Croydon and was discontinued. To apply that theory there are probably other nights routes that could go. 119 and 365 could easily have numbers as low as that. The N365 is 2016/17 got over 46 000 passengers with the N119 getting over 72 000. There was a study on the amount of people using buses, and the smallest used route was the N565 with 827 passengers and closely followed by the NH32 of which only averaged 32 passengers a night on weekends (idk if the NH32 runs on Friday, Sat and Sun nights or just only 2) I totally agree with your point. There are some routes which don't get nearly enough usage, but then it's really difficult for some people to get home in the areas that the NH32 serves because of lack of tube services. The third most least used night route was THE N307, only getting 4 500 people in 2016/17 on weekends. That doesn't surprise me as much, as the areas it serves are served by the Picadilly (Oakwood), Northern (High Barnet) as well as being served by Route N20 from High Barnet, Route N91 in the Oakwood area and the N29 in Enfield. These night routes despite getting little usage still are precious to some people getting home from the tube and obviously the N29 on weekends or night buses. Fair play, an N35 (no longer existing) used to get probably double of what the NH32 got in one day on one bus alone but they still are needed. |
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Post by 700101 on Jan 19, 2020 17:25:48 GMT
Strong cases for me for 75, 96, upgrade to full night service on 132. P4 I think could do well at night too : maybe send it still further at night on to maybe Kidbrooke or Eltham, and renumber it to avoid having an NP4. I agree for night routes along the 75 & 96 corridors as follows; Reintroduce the N47 as Shoreditch - Croydon via route 47 to Catford then via 202 to Sydenham High Street then via 75 N96 - North Greenwich - Darent Valley Hospital via 486 to Queens Elizabeth Hospital then run to Woolwich then via 96 Also; 472N to be discontinued or run as weekend night services only with the N53 to extended from Plumstead to Thamesmead via 472 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 17:57:45 GMT
I'd like the night 119 services to be extended from Bromley to Bexleyheath via the 269. This would be a very handy cross South East London night link to have around.
N119
Purley Way, Colonaddes
South Croydon, Swan & Sugar Loaf
East Croydon Station
Shirley, Library
West Wickham, High Street
Coney Hall, Glebe Way
Hayes Station
Bromley South Station
Bickley Station
Chislehurst Station
Chislehurst, War Memorial
Sidcup, Queen Mary's Hospital
Sidcup Station
Albany Park, Foots Cray Lane
Bexley, War Memorial
Bexleyheath, Shopping Centre
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 19, 2020 19:22:49 GMT
I'd like the night 119 services to be extended from Bromley to Bexleyheath via the 269. This would be a very handy cross South East London night link to have around. N119 Purley Way, Colonaddes South Croydon, Swan & Sugar Loaf East Croydon Station Shirley, Library West Wickham, High Street Coney Hall, Glebe Way Hayes Station Bromley South Station Bickley Station Chislehurst Station Chislehurst, War Memorial Sidcup, Queen Mary's Hospital Sidcup Station Albany Park, Foots Cray Lane Bexley, War Memorial Bexleyheath, Shopping Centre Extending the N136 to Sidcup Station would be sensible too. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 19, 2020 20:26:51 GMT
Strong cases for me for 75, 96, upgrade to full night service on 132. P4 I think could do well at night too : maybe send it still further at night on to maybe Kidbrooke or Eltham, and renumber it to avoid having an NP4. I agree for night routes along the 75 & 96 corridors as follows; Reintroduce the N47 as Shoreditch - Croydon via route 47 to Catford then via 202 to Sydenham High Street then via 75 N96 - North Greenwich - Darent Valley Hospital via 486 to Queens Elizabeth Hospital then run to Woolwich then via 96 Also; 472N to be discontinued or run as weekend night services only with the N53 to extended from Plumstead to Thamesmead via 472 I'd do something a little different myself: Introduce a N75 from Croydon to North Greenwich via the 75 & 108 and introduce a N96 from North Greenwich to Darent Valley Hospital via the 472 and 96. |
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 19, 2020 20:41:46 GMT
I agree for night routes along the 75 & 96 corridors as follows; Reintroduce the N47 as Shoreditch - Croydon via route 47 to Catford then via 202 to Sydenham High Street then via 75 N96 - North Greenwich - Darent Valley Hospital via 486 to Queens Elizabeth Hospital then run to Woolwich then via 96 Also; 472N to be discontinued or run as weekend night services only with the N53 to extended from Plumstead to Thamesmead via 472 I'd do something a little different myself: Introduce a N75 from Croydon to North Greenwich via the 75 & 108 and introduce a N96 from North Greenwich to Darent Valley Hospital via the 472 and 96. I fully support you in this I look at the 3 main routes through SN, the 75,157 and 197 as the night options. My personal favoured option would be the 157, but the 154 getting a weekend extension has kiboshed both this and a night 407 ... Probably the worst possible option out of the 3. Then you have the 197, which from my point of view goes nowhere where I would want to go at 3 in the morning ... so can't see what value it adds, and just duplicated by 176 for most of the journey north of Penge. So that leaves the 75 ... my original thoughts was that it could make connections to N Greenwich, but if it ran all the way through ... even better! How the N75 was withdrawn over other night routes seem a travesty and injustice to me. However if it is going to be extended to NG, hopefully the Sydenham routing will be direct! |
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Post by route53 on Jan 19, 2020 20:47:50 GMT
I’d have the 75 as the N75 and have it start at North Greenwich.
The 227 should be 24 hours on a weekend or an N227 at least and have it run from Streatham.
The 197 should definitely be 24 hours on the weekends at least, along with the 196
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 23:22:28 GMT
I’d have the 75 as the N75 and have it start at North Greenwich. The 227 should be 24 hours on a weekend or an N227 at least and have it run from Streatham. The 197 should definitely be 24 hours on the weekends at least, along with the 196 I think the 227 should run further on from Crystal Palace in the day as well to give Bromley some links with South West London. |
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Post by galwhv69 on Jan 20, 2020 8:24:50 GMT
I’d have the 75 as the N75 and have it start at North Greenwich. The 227 should be 24 hours on a weekend or an N227 at least and have it run from Streatham. The 197 should definitely be 24 hours on the weekends at least, along with the 196 I think the 227 should run further on from Crystal Palace in the day as well to give Bromley some links with South West London. Brixton via the 3? |
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Post by M1104 on Jan 20, 2020 9:22:49 GMT
I think the 227 should run further on from Crystal Palace in the day as well to give Bromley some links with South West London. Brixton via the 3? That would be a good bus link if it weren't for limited stand space at Brixton alongside existing day routes, unless it was for example done in conjunction with the merger of the 415 and 432 which then frees up stand space there. In anycase i reckon a double-deck route would be more practical to accommodate the 3 along the full length of Croxted Road and South Croxted Road, especially if starting from the end of a tube line. A Streatham extension in comparison 'may' get away with single deckers¹ and there's stand space available at Ambleside Avenue for the 227 to terminate at St Leonard's Church via Leigham Court Road. ¹ - longer stuff |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 20, 2020 9:31:42 GMT
The 227 serves a purpose as a short but busy route restricted to SDs and generally is well used most times of the day. Plus the 249 and 417 provide more then enough cacapcity between Crystal Palace and Streatham.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 20, 2020 10:54:36 GMT
The 227 serves a purpose as a short but busy route restricted to SDs and generally is well used most times of the day. Plus the 249 and 417 provide more then enough cacapcity between Crystal Palace and Streatham. That's debatable - the 249 recently got a frequency increase so before then, it's clear it wasn't more than enough. The 417 requires help along Leigham Court Road due to the unreliability of the 417 and the heavy loadings the route suffers during the peaks & school kicking out times. Couple that with the view that extremely few routes cross through Palace limiting direct journeys yet many people interchange between routes at Palace and it's clear that there could well be the demand. |
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