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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 20, 2020 10:52:23 GMT
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Post by 15002 on Jan 20, 2020 10:55:13 GMT
The cut to the 101 and 262 is a complete joke business from TFL.
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Post by lundnah on Jan 20, 2020 11:05:59 GMT
"The Royal Docks area in south Newham is undergoing considerable changes. New housing developments, new employment opportunities, the opening of the Elizabeth line and other factors have led and will lead to changes in the way people travel by bus. To understand how the bus network might respond to these changes, we have undertaken a review of bus services in south Newham which has identified possible changes to some bus routes. We are proposing changes to bus routes 101, 241, 262 and 325 and are keen to hear your views on how these changes could impact on you." consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/south-newham-bus-changesRoutes 101 and 262The Gallions Reach area is served by routes 101, 262 and 366 (and route 325 at the northern end). These three routes provide up to 22 buses per hour. However, demand for buses in this area has gone down significantly, probably due to changing shopping habits. Only four buses per hour are required to meet demand at the busiest time. It is proposed to: - Curtail route 101 at Beckton Bus Station instead of Gallions Reach Shopping Park.
- Curtail route 262 at Beckton Bus Station instead of East Beckton Sainsbury’s.
No changes would be made to route 366 which will continue to link Beckton Bus Station with Gallions Reach Shopping Park. It will therefore be possible to change from routes 101 and 262 onto route 366 at Beckton Bus Station to continue your journey. Route 241The North Woolwich Road is undergoing significant change. Developments like Royal Wharf and future developments like Knights Road and Silvertown Quays are providing thousands of new housing and job opportunities. This means more demand for bus services in the area. It is proposed to: - Extend route 241 from Custom House to Royal Wharf via Connaught Bridge and North Woolwich Road, increasing its frequency from every 20 minutes to every 15 minutes during Sunday shopping hours and all evenings
Extending the 241 to Royal Wharf will provide additional bus capacity to a growing part of the Royal Docks and provide new links to such destinations as the Elizabeth line and Plaistow. As part of the Royal Wharf planning application, the developers agreed to design the development to allow bus access including a bus stand on Royal Crest Avenue.
The current section of route 241 between Custom House and Canning Town was approved to be withdrawn in 2018 and will be replaced by route 474 when the Elizabeth line opens.
Route 325The developer ABP is building a large new office development called Royal Albert Dock over several phases. Once complete, an estimated 13,000 people will work there. Together with the adjacent Newham Council offices and University of East London, it will become a major employment centre. It is proposed to: - Extend route 325 from Prince Regent DLR Station to Royal Albert Dock (RAD), increasing its frequency from every 12 minutes to every 10 minutes Monday to Saturday daytimes, and from every 20 minutes to every 15 minutes during Sunday shopping hours and all evenings
- Initially, the 325 would use the temporary routeing of Victoria Dock Road, Royal Albert Way and Beckton Park roundabout to a new stand within the RAD development until phase three of the development, when the western access from Lascars Avenue is completed. At that time, it would enter via Royal Albert roundabout and also serve Newham Council’s offices
As well as the proposed enhancements to the 325 it is also intended to increase the frequency of the 376. We will increase the frequency on route 376 from every 15 minutes to every 12 minutes, Monday to Saturday daytimes. It is expected that further bus improvements will be required as the development completes and more people work there. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 20, 2020 11:31:01 GMT
The cut to the 101 and 262 is a complete joke business from TFL. Welcome to my world I'm not buying that changing shopping habits have forced a drop from 22bph to 4bph - I could be more sympathetic if only the 101 was cut back & leaving the 262 alone but to now leave a lengthy section to just the overloaded single decker 366 is barmy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 11:37:39 GMT
The cut to the 101 and 262 is a complete joke business from TFL. I am really so frustrated by these changes! I was at Gallions Reach yesterday and observed how busy the bus stops are for the 101 ,262 and 366! No way will the 366 cope. I would rather at least the 101 or 262 is maintained. The comment about the 325 reaching near Gallions Reach is pointless as it still means the 366 has to cope alone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 11:46:46 GMT
The cut to the 101 and 262 is a complete joke business from TFL. Welcome to my world I'm not buying that changing shopping habits have forced a drop from 22bph to 4bph - I could be more sympathetic if only the 101 was cut back & leaving the 262 alone but to now leave a lengthy section to just the overloaded single decker 366 is barmy. And then they moan the high street is dieing! |
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Post by greenboy on Jan 20, 2020 11:51:01 GMT
I've no doubt there has been a drop in usage because of changing shopping practices but 22bph to 4bph is one hell of a drop, I can't imagine usage has fallen by that much. Surely either the 101 or 262 has to stay?
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Jan 20, 2020 11:52:55 GMT
Mayor: "It's easy to leave the car at home and get about London!"
Also the mayor: "Who needs buses to the shops? Let's scrap them!"
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Post by greenboy on Jan 20, 2020 11:56:14 GMT
Mayor: "It's easy to leave the car at home and get about London!" Also the mayor: "Who needs buses to the shops? Let's scrap them!" The same mayor that has frozen fares and who can hardly be blamed for changing shopping habits. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 20, 2020 11:58:52 GMT
Another Vanity Project... 366 to get hammered when 101 & 262 are no longer present
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 20, 2020 12:06:28 GMT
The cut to the 101 and 262 is a complete joke business from TFL. I am really so frustrated by these changes! I was at Gallions Reach yesterday and observed how busy the bus stops are for the 101 ,262 and 366! No way will the 366 cope. I would rather at least the 101 or 262 is maintained. The comment about the 325 reaching near Gallions Reach is pointless as it still means the 366 has to cope alone. I find it funny that TFL would leave the one single decker route and remove two double decker ones... Looks like the 366 is now the new 35! |
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Post by redexpress on Jan 20, 2020 12:13:20 GMT
The cut to the 101 and 262 is a complete joke business from TFL. Welcome to my world I'm not buying that changing shopping habits have forced a drop from 22bph to 4bph - I could be more sympathetic if only the 101 was cut back & leaving the 262 alone but to now leave a lengthy section to just the overloaded single decker 366 is barmy. It's madness. This is an organisation that is supposedly trying to reduce car use, so what do they do? Slash bus services to out-of-town megacentres that offer acres of free parking spaces. Yes, that'll help get people out of their cars 
And as you say, if they're cutting it to just one route, why on earth is it a single-deck route? Leisure centres have peaks and troughs in demand - there's no way that a 10.2m E200 can cope alone with the peaks in demand. A double-deck service at the same frequency would surely be a safer bet, as it'd at least have the capacity to mop up crowds when there's a peak.
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Post by george on Jan 20, 2020 12:28:57 GMT
The cut to the 101 and 262 is a complete joke business from TFL. Welcome to my world I'm not buying that changing shopping habits have forced a drop from 22bph to 4bph - I could be more sympathetic if only the 101 was cut back & leaving the 262 alone but to now leave a lengthy section to just the overloaded single decker 366 is barmy. Genuinely thought you had just mistake when you said the service has gone down to 4bph. That's ridiculous! |
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Post by kmkcheng on Jan 20, 2020 12:36:50 GMT
The cut to the 101 and 262 is a complete joke business from TFL. Welcome to my world I'm not buying that changing shopping habits have forced a drop from 22bph to 4bph - I could be more sympathetic if only the 101 was cut back & leaving the 262 alone but to now leave a lengthy section to just the overloaded single decker 366 is barmy. Must be a mistake in the consultation as the 366 runs every 10 minutes which makes it 6bph. Admittedly it’s still a big drop from 22bph though. Edit: I wonder if the 4bph figure is the bare minimum they have worked out for that section of route but they will kindly continue the 6bph to give the passengers some spare capacity. |
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Post by routew15 on Jan 20, 2020 13:52:20 GMT
What i am opposed to with this consultation is the steep drop from 22 to 4/6bph. It feels inevitable that passengers will be left behind due to this reduction in buses. How is double decking the 366 not considered anywhere in this proposal, at least a preemptive measure.
If there has been a decrease of -23% over 8 years then clearly routes need changing, but it feel irrational to leave a 6bph SD route.
Also it would be good to know what the (assumed) decrease in usage was between 2015-2019, 2015 is not the most recent data to be presenting!
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