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Post by galwhv69 on Aug 18, 2020 22:07:25 GMT
How does this make sense??? (https://www.mylondon.news/news/local-news/london-bus-coronavirus-travel-rules-18788777) Attachment Deleted |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 18, 2020 22:39:12 GMT
I presume they'll put a reasonable amount of buses out for school routes, and add/remove a few buses where needed. This pandemic really has put a lot of pressure on bus drivers, they'll have to do a lot of multi-tasking while also driving. It really will be difficult for drivers to police this. Would be much easier to run the extra buses with no route number and a simple "School Service" blind display. At least this way drivers only pick up school children and don't have to explain to every adult trying to boarding that they can't use the service.
Also I assume all these extras are in addition to extras that will be needed on the dedicated school 6XX routes.
Something I wonder is how will they police this at stops where both school children and commuters are waiting? Do commuters get barred from boarding a bus? |
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Post by mondraker275 on Aug 19, 2020 9:04:37 GMT
It will be interesting to see. I have just seen that the 158s are back to their every 6 min frequency and it may be up there with routes that directly serve the most schools, especially secondary. I assume the route would get a few extra buses as if it was left to the every other bus, and you would have to wait 12 mins for a 158, there is an increasing chance you dont get on. I point very well made by busenthusiast56.
It must be noted that school buses are often used by children from different schools and primary children often have parents with them and so I would be sceptical about assuming there is no issue in not having a limit.
I am not going to criticise anything TfL do as it is a difficult time, including government more generally, other than that guy who had many months to come up with a solution to no exams only to make a last minute change followed by a U-turn, yes, a 180 degree U-turn.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 19, 2020 9:08:13 GMT
Actually I do recall sometime back making a suggestion that there could be extra dedicated buses exclusively for schoolchildren, and maybe these could be free to keep schoolchildren off the ordinary buses. The proposal outlined in the ITV News article is somewhat similar to that. Maybe those extra buses for schoolchildren could be a mixture of buses freed up by cutting the peak frequency of regular bus services (not so many needed if you take schoolchildren off them), and buses and drivers hired in from other operators in much the same way as happens during a tube strike. Frankly it would be better to contract point to point school services out to coach firms with spare vehicles. If there is a large group of kids coming from one area to school they could put coaches on to get them direct to school from one agreed meeting point. It would be effective and free up capacity on the network for actual fare payers. This I reckon is the best idea, essentially the 'yellow school bus' operation. |
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Post by rif153 on Aug 19, 2020 9:16:17 GMT
In the morning peaks I can't see this working well at all. Most of us have stories about local routes which are busy in the morning peaks, locally to me I've seen passengers abusing E8 drivers because there's not enough space on the bus for them when buses are crush loaded with a mix of school children and commuters. I imagine this is part of an attempt to contain people in bubbles, especially trying to keep school children in a bubble. Can't see this working well at all though, will be very hard to enforce with numerous issues and how on earth are bus drivers to be sure whether people are students or passengers? I get that sometimes you can tell by looking or the uniform may give it away but often there's not much visible difference between someone in their late teens and someone in their early twenties, sixth formers don't even wear uniforms so may be able to pass themselves off as passengers. Just like the capacity limits, I cannot see this being properly enforced.
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Post by greg on Aug 19, 2020 10:07:47 GMT
Hmm this new travel ban and school kids high frequency will not work in my opinion, as they say its only routes with high frequency and central london routes. The most worry is out of Central London where there arent many options of transport, bus or even buses coming frequent so I don’t get how it will work?
If they take off some buses from routes like the 453 for example, and put them on other routes with low demand or routes that pass a lot of schools (214) then this could work?
But keeping some buses as for school kids only will not work, people do have jobs aswell?
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Post by LJ17THF on Aug 19, 2020 10:26:13 GMT
How does this make sense??? (https://www.mylondon.news/news/local-news/london-bus-coronavirus-travel-rules-18788777) View AttachmentThat's one of the worst ideas - mixing people from different households right next to each other will only spread the virus - keep in mind kids may not get the virus, but they can carry it to other people, such as parents, older people and teachers! On another note, yesterday I was around South Croydon earlier and saw a 166 with around 3 passengers inside (socially distant) but the "BUS FULL" sign was up. I can't really blame the driver that much, he probably had some pressure put on him, and I'm not sure if he can see who's getting off the bus at stops. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 19, 2020 10:33:53 GMT
How does this make sense??? (https://www.mylondon.news/news/local-news/london-bus-coronavirus-travel-rules-18788777) View AttachmentThat's one of the worst ideas - mixing people from different households right next to each other will only spread the virus - keep in mind kids may not get the virus, but they can carry it to other people, such as parents, older people and teachers! On another note, yesterday I was around South Croydon earlier and saw a 166 with around 3 passengers inside (socially distant) but the "BUS FULL" sign was up. I can't really blame the driver that much, he probably had some pressure put on him, and I'm not sure if he can see who's getting off the bus at stops. The driver must have forgotten about the BUS FULL sign, happens a lot. |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 19, 2020 10:36:29 GMT
How does this make sense??? (https://www.mylondon.news/news/local-news/london-bus-coronavirus-travel-rules-18788777) View AttachmentThat's one of the worst ideas - mixing people from different households right next to each other will only spread the virus - keep in mind kids may not get the virus, but they can carry it to other people, such as parents, older people and teachers! On another note, yesterday I was around South Croydon earlier and saw a 166 with around 3 passengers inside (socially distant) but the "BUS FULL" sign was up. I can't really blame the driver that much, he probably had some pressure put on him, and I'm not sure if he can see who's getting off the bus at stops. To be honest, if I was a driver, I don't think so would be continually reaching over and faffing with something that should have been deemed redundant at the end of the last millennium ... if TfL refuse to engage with modern technology, why should the drivers suffer ... think the continual reaching would give me a bad back. |
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Post by M1104 on Aug 19, 2020 11:24:59 GMT
To be honest, if I was a driver, I don't think so would be continually reaching over and faffing with something that should have been deemed redundant at the end of the last millennium ... if TfL refuse to engage with modern technology, why should the drivers suffer ... think the continual reaching would give me a bad back. A simple installion of a switch and illumanitive sign would have been more ideal (over the cardboard) as a short term solution until TfL consider more attention to this situation. Perhaps operators can be persuaded (via the union, route rep, etc) to have buses fitted as such. The fact you made about drivers potentially doing their back in provides strong argument for this....safety and comfort. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 19, 2020 12:03:39 GMT
To be honest, if I was a driver, I don't think so would be continually reaching over and faffing with something that should have been deemed redundant at the end of the last millennium ... if TfL refuse to engage with modern technology, why should the drivers suffer ... think the continual reaching would give me a bad back. A simple installion of a switch and illumanitive sign would have been more ideal (over the cardboard) as a short term solution until TfL consider more attention to this situation. Perhaps operators can be persuaded (via the union, route rep, etc) to have buses fitted as such. The fact you made about drivers potentially doing their back in provides strong argument for this....safety and comfort. The WH MMCs which have LEDs were programmed with a "Bus Full SOCIAL DISTANCING" sign alongside the number blind. However I've never seen this in public use. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 19, 2020 21:19:38 GMT
Schools should encourage children to simply walk. Be good for them particularly after a lot of them have been stuck indoors.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 19, 2020 21:23:00 GMT
Schools should encourage children to simply walk. Be good for them particularly after a lot of them have been stuck indoors. They probably will, but realistically don't think much will listen. |
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Post by greg on Aug 19, 2020 23:44:04 GMT
Schools should encourage children to simply walk. Be good for them particularly after a lot of them have been stuck indoors. They probably will, but realistically don't think much will listen. I think the TFL zip-card free travel being withdrawn will be a apart of this, forcing people to walk now. I’ve also read that any Zip-card user with a family on benefits or disabilities (i think) I saw somewhere will have free travel and someone who travels to a school over 2 miles away. So in a way, anyone who has Free School Dinners will remain with a free Zip card. Most don’t so will have to pay, and some will just walk but teenagers are teenagers and some will just simply barge themselves inside, balance on the engine flap or just come in from the back door. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 19, 2020 23:48:06 GMT
They probably will, but realistically don't think much will listen. I think the TFL zip-card free travel being withdrawn will be a apart of this, forcing people to walk now. I’ve also read that any Zip-card user with a family on benefits or disabilities (i think) I saw somewhere will have free travel and someone who travels to a school over 2 miles away. So in a way, anyone who has Free School Dinners will remain with a free Zip card. Most don’t so will have to pay, and some will just walk but teenagers are teenagers and some will just simply barge themselves inside, balance on the engine flap or just come in from the back door. This did remind me of this article I read earlier www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/staggering-numbers-children-each-borough-18791185Seems TfL are still after the government to keep free travel, now citing that the Oyster system will need major changes to allow partial free travel. |
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