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Post by vjaska on Sept 24, 2020 13:39:25 GMT
Chatted with family on the phone in Finchley and they've said cases have gone up presumably due to the lack of social distancing on the 143 school services and as a result it's spreading between schools with kids apparently needing to get tests now Also, I really wouldn't believe Hancock and Vallance, if anything they don't know what they're talking about! Came up with unrealistic figures and we didnt even hit close to them. Hancock needs to go, he has been absolutely awful since the pandemic started - he should of been sacked over his comments about NHS staff during the height of the pandemic! Whilst he is there, take Raab & Williamson with him - two more incompetent members.
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Post by Green Kitten on Sept 24, 2020 13:41:55 GMT
Don't even see how that is a worst case scenario. Death rates are less than 1%, so if we all had it by Xmas, over 99% will have some form of immunity, headline grabbing, their moment in the spotlight, scaremongering. I see it being reported today about 10,000 people catching the virus each day and they say up to 100,000 a day was catching it March, that would have meant 1 million people every 10 days! All these figures just seem a bit off. Certainly 100,000 a day at the time of the peak seems very possible. That's why there were so many tragic deaths in April/May. We will never know as testing capacity was nowhere near where it needed to be at that stage.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 24, 2020 13:44:47 GMT
Chatted with family on the phone in Finchley and they've said cases have gone up presumably due to the lack of social distancing on the 143 school services and as a result it's spreading between schools with kids apparently needing to get tests now Also, I really wouldn't believe Hancock and Vallance, if anything they don't know what they're talking about! Came up with unrealistic figures and we didnt even hit close to them. Someone last night predicted that by their figures everyone in the UK will have had it by Christmas and we’d all be dead by mid-January. Their figures are terrifying and they should have made it clear it is an absolute worst case scenario. As for schools, they are right to be open but more testing specifically for children should be made available and possibly they along with frontline workers in the emergency services and NHS should have access to the upcoming plans to have testing with results within a few hours. But it was made clear by Vallance: Speaking at Downing Street alongside chief medical adviser, Prof Chris Whitty, Sir Patrick stressed the figures given were not a prediction, but added: "At the moment we think the epidemic is doubling roughly every seven days. "If, and that's quite a big if, but if that continues unabated, and this grows, doubling every seven days... if that continued you would end up with something like 50,000 cases in the middle of October per day" Not only did they make clear it's not a prediction but that the wording of "If, and that's quite a big if" suggests to me it was made clear it was closer to a worse case scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 10:27:00 GMT
School traffic excepted, it feels and looks much quieter around London. Warnings having the desired effect, maybe a kind of voluntary lock down??
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 25, 2020 10:32:13 GMT
School traffic excepted, it feels and looks much quieter around London. Warnings having the desired effect, maybe a kind of voluntary lock down?? Quite possible - with news of rising infection rates (and now speculation the the virus is becoming more infectious in itself) people are taking their own precautions and not waiting for the Government to act.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 25, 2020 10:41:18 GMT
School traffic excepted, it feels and looks much quieter around London. Warnings having the desired effect, maybe a kind of voluntary lock down?? Not the case in Brixton, it's pretty much back to normal and the LTN's are still heavily clogging up the main roads with another LTN to be introduced on Monday in Tulse Hill.
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 25, 2020 10:43:25 GMT
Chatted with family on the phone in Finchley and they've said cases have gone up presumably due to the lack of social distancing on the 143 school services and as a result it's spreading between schools with kids apparently needing to get tests now Also, I really wouldn't believe Hancock and Vallance, if anything they don't know what they're talking about! Came up with unrealistic figures and we didnt even hit close to them. Hancock needs to go, he has been absolutely awful since the pandemic started - he should of been sacked over his comments about NHS staff during the height of the pandemic! Whilst he is there, take Raab & Williamson with him - two more incompetent members. October is going to be "interesting times" (as in the Chinese saying "may you live in interesting times"). Never mind Hancock and Williamson, I would not be surprised if we had a different PM by the end of the month.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 25, 2020 10:48:01 GMT
School traffic excepted, it feels and looks much quieter around London. Warnings having the desired effect, maybe a kind of voluntary lock down?? Not the case in Brixton, it's pretty much back to normal and the LTN's are still heavily clogging up the main roads with another LTN to be introduced on Monday in Tulse Hill. Totally agree LTNs have made traffic worse in a number of areas than pre-Covid levels ... certainly the case in South and Upper Norwood
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 11:16:17 GMT
I see it being reported today about 10,000 people catching the virus each day and they say up to 100,000 a day was catching it March, that would have meant 1 million people every 10 days! All these figures just seem a bit off. There saying evidence suggests in different parts of the country, between 8-17% of the population have had the virus. Let's take a conservative estimate as UK population is 66m, 6m people have had the desease and there have been 42,000 deaths, which is a 0.06% fatality rate, which includes deaths where they gave tested positive, but COVID played no direct cause to their deaths. For a 0.06% fatality fate is this cure worth all the economic and other social and health costs? I am starting to err to the side that it is not. If you catch it you have 6 in 10,000 odds of dying. What other life events have better odds of befalling you? The problem is the vulnerability of people with pre existing conditions. I agree inasmuch the after effects of this will be enormous. I don't understand how the government scientists confidently say all over by Spring. How does that work? Surely a virus just stays with us for a long time? And if that's the case, why all the restrictions? Vallance having shares in GSK isn't a surprise either. Always money to be made with other people's misfortunes.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 25, 2020 11:23:58 GMT
There saying evidence suggests in different parts of the country, between 8-17% of the population have had the virus. Let's take a conservative estimate as UK population is 66m, 6m people have had the desease and there have been 42,000 deaths, which is a 0.06% fatality rate, which includes deaths where they gave tested positive, but COVID played no direct cause to their deaths. For a 0.06% fatality fate is this cure worth all the economic and other social and health costs? I am starting to err to the side that it is not. If you catch it you have 6 in 10,000 odds of dying. What other life events have better odds of befalling you? The problem is the vulnerability of people with pre existing conditions. I agree inasmuch the after effects of this will be enormous. I don't understand how the government scientists confidently say all over by Spring. How does that work? Surely a virus just stays with us for a long time? And if that's the case, why all the restrictions? Vallance having shares in GSK isn't a surprise either. Always money to be made with other people's misfortunes. Deleted my original post maths was flawed ... But sentiment the same ... normal flu kills on average 17000 a year, this is just a more violent strain of 'flu' ... why have we not been having lockdowns in bad years for flu when it is a kilker?
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Post by bustavane on Sept 25, 2020 12:32:40 GMT
The problem is the vulnerability of people with pre existing conditions. I agree inasmuch the after effects of this will be enormous. I don't understand how the government scientists confidently say all over by Spring. How does that work? Surely a virus just stays with us for a long time? And if that's the case, why all the restrictions? Vallance having shares in GSK isn't a surprise either. Always money to be made with other people's misfortunes. Deleted my original post maths was flawed ... But sentiment the same ... normal flu kills on average 17000 a year, this is just a more violent strain of 'flu' ... why have we not been having lockdowns in bad years for flu when it is a kilker? Because you have 'flu, get over it and go back to normal. With Covid there may be more long-term illnesses - and we don't know how many, or how bad, because this is a 'new' virus.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 25, 2020 12:46:21 GMT
Deleted my original post maths was flawed ... But sentiment the same ... normal flu kills on average 17000 a year, this is just a more violent strain of 'flu' ... why have we not been having lockdowns in bad years for flu when it is a kilker? Because you have 'flu, get over it and go back to normal. With Covid there may be more long-term illnesses - and we don't know how many, or how bad, because this is a 'new' virus I have not seen any suggestion any long-term effects is consider currently plausible, have you. COVID related viruses are not known for this?
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Post by vjaska on Sept 25, 2020 14:20:18 GMT
Because you have 'flu, get over it and go back to normal. With Covid there may be more long-term illnesses - and we don't know how many, or how bad, because this is a 'new' virus I have not seen any suggestion any long-term effects is consider currently plausible, have you. COVID related viruses are not known for this? There is plenty of research ongoing which suggests there are a number of long term effects mainly that a sizable number of people who had Covid continue to get symptoms long after recovering from it. Even I myself believe I've a long term effect of shortness of breath at times which I've never had pre Covid. www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists - just one of a number of articles you'll find.
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Post by bustavane on Sept 25, 2020 14:46:37 GMT
Because you have 'flu, get over it and go back to normal. With Covid there may be more long-term illnesses - and we don't know how many, or how bad, because this is a 'new' virus I have not seen any suggestion any long-term effects is consider currently plausible, have you. COVID related viruses are not known for this? Even if it's merely anecdotal at this stage, surely that's a reason for caution?
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 25, 2020 14:53:43 GMT
I have not seen any suggestion any long-term effects is consider currently plausible, have you. COVID related viruses are not known for this? Even if it's merely anecdotal at this stage, surely that's a reason for caution? Anecdotal = Fake News = Project Fear
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