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Post by vjaska on Sept 22, 2020 21:23:35 GMT
So what time should the curfew be? Or should pubs be closed completely again? Because that's the way it's heading unless some people start acting a bit more responsibly. Nobody is blaming anything on the public...... of course the government encouraged people to eat out when it was safe to do so but now the reinfection rate is going up things have to change. This is a dynamic situation and things are going to constantly change, I really don't know why some people find this so difficult to grasp? We're all fed up with the situation, none of us want any of this but it's just a case of making the best of a bad situation. This is the situation in Madrid.... www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/21/spain-deploys-army-madrid-help-enforce-lockdown2/?fbclid=IwAR3gSGuao5Sy2q1JNhzGi5Zrufq2XGpG8SREnIu43fIhai4EAdgzdAcBoeEThe majority are acting responsibly i.e. wearing face coverings, keeping distance wherever possible etc... it's the minority that unfortunately ignored the guidance leading us to this point. I still see the odd person without a mask at my local Sainsburys but what I don't see, are kids hanging outside Morley's at 4pm for example. The minority has led to the government blaming the public as a whole and implementing restrictions that...lets be honest... won't do much as people will find their way around. Ultimately, the government are to blame for their mishandling, look at our country's test and trace scheme... it failed. I disagree - from my observations since I started using the buses a few weeks ago, many people have ignored the face covering rule although on the tube on Saturday, many did. At work, many customers and us staff as well do not wear face coverings - this will be fun when it becomes mandatory telling people to wear masks given they kick off over all sorts of minor things like bags and queues
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 22:02:30 GMT
The majority are acting responsibly i.e. wearing face coverings, keeping distance wherever possible etc... it's the minority that unfortunately ignored the guidance leading us to this point. I still see the odd person without a mask at my local Sainsburys but what I don't see, are kids hanging outside Morley's at 4pm for example. The minority has led to the government blaming the public as a whole and implementing restrictions that...lets be honest... won't do much as people will find their way around. Ultimately, the government are to blame for their mishandling, look at our country's test and trace scheme... it failed. I disagree - from my observations since I started using the buses a few weeks ago, many people have ignored the face covering rule although on the tube on Saturday, many did. At work, many customers and us staff as well do not wear face coverings - this will be fun when it becomes mandatory telling people to wear masks given they kick off over all sorts of minor things like bags and queues From my own observations the majority I see across London were wearing masks on buses, but it tends to be late evenings when I see significantly less mask usage. It will be interesting as retail businesses are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Do they instruct staff to challenge shoppers, even though many retailers have policies which indicate staff can be disciplined and even sacked for challenging shoppers on shoplifting etc at least when I worked in retail they did or do they hire very expensive security to enforce rules and risk running a loss again many retailers only employ security in larger stores owing to costs and even then many are only part time. Maybe things will get easier for shops toe enforce rules once employees are made to wear masks but who knows. Things have been very civilised in my borough and as a result we currently have the lowest infection rate in London and have throughout the entire pandemic but whether this lasts remains to be seen.
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Post by 725DYE on Sept 22, 2020 22:57:23 GMT
I disagree - from my observations since I started using the buses a few weeks ago, many people have ignored the face covering rule although on the tube on Saturday, many did. At work, many customers and us staff as well do not wear face coverings - this will be fun when it becomes mandatory telling people to wear masks given they kick off over all sorts of minor things like bags and queues 1) Maybe things will get easier for shops toe enforce rules once employees are made to wear masks but who knows. 2) Things have been very civilised in my borough and as a result we currently have the lowest infection rate in London and have throughout the entire pandemic but whether this lasts remains to be seen. 1) I still fail to see the reason why (in most cases) retail workers don't wear masks. They may not be in a position of authority to enforce people to wear masks but their credibility would instantaneously go up considerably when they ask people to if they are themselves. I went to a car dealership with my father about three weeks ago and none of the staff were wearing masks. The guy who we were speaking to explained to us why none of them were wearing masks (my father is a health key worker by the way) and honestly it was laughable. "The staff here are in our own bubble".... riiiggghttt and who does the mask protect and how many people enter your "bubble" I mean forget the understanding of how a bloody mask works, what is their perception of a bubble?! Most penetrable bubble I've ever seen. Fair to say if it had been my mother there (also a health key worker) she would've given him a right earful. 2) I assume you're talking about Sutton, and that doesn't entirely surprise me. Very different population demographic in comparison to much of London (very low proportion of people from ethnic minorities, lower population density, lower population inequality... etc.) and is far more aligned with Surrey, particularly Epsom. The average person in Sutton will tell you they live in Surrey anyway, and Sutton station comes up as Sutton (Surrey) on plenty of journey planners. In fact some parts of Surrey have gone right up in covid cases at rather conspicuous times, but as with Sutton it has seen a decrease in cases in the last week, bucking the national trend. As you said, this won't necessarily remain the same indefinitely and people shouldn't become complacent and instead realise that this is a very dynamic situation.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 22, 2020 23:24:26 GMT
I disagree - from my observations since I started using the buses a few weeks ago, many people have ignored the face covering rule although on the tube on Saturday, many did. At work, many customers and us staff as well do not wear face coverings - this will be fun when it becomes mandatory telling people to wear masks given they kick off over all sorts of minor things like bags and queues From my own observations the majority I see across London were wearing masks on buses, but it tends to be late evenings when I see significantly less mask usage. It will be interesting as retail businesses are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Do they instruct staff to challenge shoppers, even though many retailers have policies which indicate staff can be disciplined and even sacked for challenging shoppers on shoplifting etc at least when I worked in retail they did or do they hire very expensive security to enforce rules and risk running a loss again many retailers only employ security in larger stores owing to costs and even then many are only part time. Maybe things will get easier for shops toe enforce rules once employees are made to wear masks but who knows. Things have been very civilised in my borough and as a result we currently have the lowest infection rate in London and have throughout the entire pandemic but whether this lasts remains to be seen. At my workplace, we can challenge people without fear of retribution towards our jobs, I've seen many things here where elsewhere, that person may of been dismissed despite them challenging the person or persons involved in shoplifting or other theft. In Brixton, people will kick off daily over the smallest of things from bags to queues to why pensioners have their own hour to why the NHS had their own time slot to why items had to be restricted and so on so even if staff wore masks and some of our staff do wear them already, there will be many customers who will still look for any reason to kick off. Lambeth is very mixed in terms of people social distancing and wearing masks on public transport - I even know people who have flouted several other parts of guidance like self isolating & having parties with too many people in attendance. The irony is a study revealed that the main hospital in the borough, King's College, would be the most at risk in the country should levels return or outstrip the first wave.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 23, 2020 5:25:34 GMT
1) Maybe things will get easier for shops toe enforce rules once employees are made to wear masks but who knows. 2) Things have been very civilised in my borough and as a result we currently have the lowest infection rate in London and have throughout the entire pandemic but whether this lasts remains to be seen. 1) I still fail to see the reason why (in most cases) retail workers don't wear masks. They may not be in a position of authority to enforce people to wear masks but their credibility would instantaneously go up considerably when they ask people to if they are themselves. I went to a car dealership with my father about three weeks ago and none of the staff were wearing masks. The guy who we were speaking to explained to us why none of them were wearing masks (my father is a health key worker by the way) and honestly it was laughable. "The staff here are in our own bubble".... riiiggghttt and who does the mask protect and how many people enter your "bubble" I mean forget the understanding of how a bloody mask works, what is their perception of a bubble?! Most penetrable bubble I've ever seen. Fair to say if it had been my mother there (also a health key worker) she would've given him a right earful. 2) I assume you're talking about Sutton, and that doesn't entirely surprise me. Very different population demographic in comparison to much of London (very low proportion of people from ethnic minorities, lower population density, lower population inequality... etc.) and is far more aligned with Surrey, particularly Epsom. The average person in Sutton will tell you they live in Surrey anyway, and Sutton station comes up as Sutton (Surrey) on plenty of journey planners. In fact some parts of Surrey have gone right up in covid cases at rather conspicuous times, but as with Sutton it has seen a decrease in cases in the last week, bucking the national trend. As you said, this won't necessarily remain the same indefinitely and people shouldn't become complacent and instead realise that this is a very dynamic situation. The way it was explained to me is that shop staff are a much lower risk than customers who are in and out all day, I wasn't entirely convinced but I do appreciate that it might be unpleasant for staff having to wear masks for hours on end where as customers can obviously remove them once they leave the shop. I've noticed a lot of shop staff wearing visors rather than masks. As you quite rightly point out this is a very dynamic situation and things are going to be constantly changing, of course I appreciate that everyone is totally fed up with it all and I dread to think of the effects on mental health but we all need to be doing our best to comply.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 7:53:54 GMT
I disagree - from my observations since I started using the buses a few weeks ago, many people have ignored the face covering rule although on the tube on Saturday, many did. At work, many customers and us staff as well do not wear face coverings - this will be fun when it becomes mandatory telling people to wear masks given they kick off over all sorts of minor things like bags and queues From my own observations the majority I see across London were wearing masks on buses, but it tends to be late evenings when I see significantly less mask usage. It will be interesting as retail businesses are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Do they instruct staff to challenge shoppers, even though many retailers have policies which indicate staff can be disciplined and even sacked for challenging shoppers on shoplifting etc at least when I worked in retail they did or do they hire very expensive security to enforce rules and risk running a loss again many retailers only employ security in larger stores owing to costs and even then many are only part time. Maybe things will get easier for shops toe enforce rules once employees are made to wear masks but who knows. Things have been very civilised in my borough and as a result we currently have the lowest infection rate in London and have throughout the entire pandemic but whether this lasts remains to be seen. Your last sentence sums it up. Really this is a virus that is quite easily gotten rid of as long as people are sensible for long enough. I went to Bluewater yesterday. Actually very pleasant. Not crowded, all masked up. Actually more civilised.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 7:55:53 GMT
From my own observations the majority I see across London were wearing masks on buses, but it tends to be late evenings when I see significantly less mask usage. It will be interesting as retail businesses are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Do they instruct staff to challenge shoppers, even though many retailers have policies which indicate staff can be disciplined and even sacked for challenging shoppers on shoplifting etc at least when I worked in retail they did or do they hire very expensive security to enforce rules and risk running a loss again many retailers only employ security in larger stores owing to costs and even then many are only part time. Maybe things will get easier for shops toe enforce rules once employees are made to wear masks but who knows. Things have been very civilised in my borough and as a result we currently have the lowest infection rate in London and have throughout the entire pandemic but whether this lasts remains to be seen. At my workplace, we can challenge people without fear of retribution towards our jobs, I've seen many things here where elsewhere, that person may of been dismissed despite them challenging the person or persons involved in shoplifting or other theft. In Brixton, people will kick off daily over the smallest of things from bags to queues to why pensioners have their own hour to why the NHS had their own time slot to why items had to be restricted and so on so even if staff wore masks and some of our staff do wear them already, there will be many customers who will still look for any reason to kick off. Lambeth is very mixed in terms of people social distancing and wearing masks on public transport - I even know people who have flouted several other parts of guidance like self isolating & having parties with too many people in attendance. The irony is a study revealed that the main hospital in the borough, King's College, would be the most at risk in the country should levels return or outstrip the first wave. It would be interesting to see if that policy is companywide or just your specific store. If it’s just your store you may find their insurance policies don’t cover accidents as a result of confronting shoplifters except for managers etc which is why so many businesses would rather let stock go out the door rather than risk it. USDAW, the shop workers union, would certainly take a negative view to you being expected to stop a shoplifter.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 23, 2020 8:34:05 GMT
From my own observations the majority I see across London were wearing masks on buses, but it tends to be late evenings when I see significantly less mask usage. It will be interesting as retail businesses are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Do they instruct staff to challenge shoppers, even though many retailers have policies which indicate staff can be disciplined and even sacked for challenging shoppers on shoplifting etc at least when I worked in retail they did or do they hire very expensive security to enforce rules and risk running a loss again many retailers only employ security in larger stores owing to costs and even then many are only part time. Maybe things will get easier for shops toe enforce rules once employees are made to wear masks but who knows. Things have been very civilised in my borough and as a result we currently have the lowest infection rate in London and have throughout the entire pandemic but whether this lasts remains to be seen. Your last sentence sums it up. Really this is a virus that is quite easily gotten rid of as long as people are sensible for long enough. I went to Bluewater yesterday. Actually very pleasant. Not crowded, all masked up. Actually more civilised. I visited Bluewater recently and I was amazed just how quiet it was, swathes of empty parking spaces and whilst it was quite pleasant and everyone seemed to be complying with covid rules it can't be financially viable.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 24, 2020 12:31:31 GMT
Chatted with family on the phone in Finchley and they've said cases have gone up presumably due to the lack of social distancing on the 143 school services and as a result it's spreading between schools with kids apparently needing to get tests now
Also, I really wouldn't believe Hancock and Vallance, if anything they don't know what they're talking about! Came up with unrealistic figures and we didnt even hit close to them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 12:42:36 GMT
Chatted with family on the phone in Finchley and they've said cases have gone up presumably due to the lack of social distancing on the 143 school services and as a result it's spreading between schools with kids apparently needing to get tests now Also, I really wouldn't believe Hancock and Vallance, if anything they don't know what they're talking about! Came up with unrealistic figures and we didnt even hit close to them. Someone last night predicted that by their figures everyone in the UK will have had it by Christmas and we’d all be dead by mid-January. Their figures are terrifying and they should have made it clear it is an absolute worst case scenario. As for schools, they are right to be open but more testing specifically for children should be made available and possibly they along with frontline workers in the emergency services and NHS should have access to the upcoming plans to have testing with results within a few hours.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 24, 2020 12:46:40 GMT
Chatted with family on the phone in Finchley and they've said cases have gone up presumably due to the lack of social distancing on the 143 school services and as a result it's spreading between schools with kids apparently needing to get tests now Also, I really wouldn't believe Hancock and Vallance, if anything they don't know what they're talking about! Came up with unrealistic figures and we didnt even hit close to them. Someone last night predicted that by their figures everyone in the UK will have had it by Christmas and we’d all be dead by mid-January. Their figures are terrifying and they should have made it clear it is an absolute worst case scenario. As for schools, they are right to be open but more testing specifically for children should be made available and possibly they along with frontline workers in the emergency services and NHS should have access to the upcoming plans to have testing with results within a few hours. Don't even see how that is a worst case scenario. Death rates are less than 1%, so if we all had it by Xmas, over 99% will have some form of immunity, headline grabbing, their moment in the spotlight, scaremongering.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 24, 2020 12:50:42 GMT
Someone last night predicted that by their figures everyone in the UK will have had it by Christmas and we’d all be dead by mid-January. Their figures are terrifying and they should have made it clear it is an absolute worst case scenario. As for schools, they are right to be open but more testing specifically for children should be made available and possibly they along with frontline workers in the emergency services and NHS should have access to the upcoming plans to have testing with results within a few hours. Don't even see how that is a worst case scenario. Death rates are less than 1%, so if we all had it by Xmas, over 99% will have some form of immunity, headline grabbing, their moment in the spotlight, scaremongering. Indeed, we need to remember that it's this low death rate that's causing a mass spread. A disease which kills anyone it touches won't spread fast as eventually people will be able to die before passing it on.
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Post by 725DYE on Sept 24, 2020 12:55:07 GMT
Don't even see how that is a worst case scenario. Death rates are less than 1%, so if we all had it by Xmas, over 99% will have some form of immunity, headline grabbing, their moment in the spotlight, scaremongering. Indeed, we need to remember that it's this low death rate that's causing a mass spread. A disease which kills anyone it touches won't spread fast as eventually people will be able to die before passing it on. Precisely how ebola died out in West Africa. I know I make jokes about people in the UK being stupid but on a serious note if the government could maybe highlight what you said in one of their briefings, it would really help people grasp a better understanding of our situation and stop the fear mongering!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 13:04:58 GMT
Someone last night predicted that by their figures everyone in the UK will have had it by Christmas and we’d all be dead by mid-January. Their figures are terrifying and they should have made it clear it is an absolute worst case scenario. As for schools, they are right to be open but more testing specifically for children should be made available and possibly they along with frontline workers in the emergency services and NHS should have access to the upcoming plans to have testing with results within a few hours. Don't even see how that is a worst case scenario. Death rates are less than 1%, so if we all had it by Xmas, over 99% will have some form of immunity, headline grabbing, their moment in the spotlight, scaremongering. I see it being reported today about 10,000 people catching the virus each day and they say up to 100,000 a day was catching it March, that would have meant 1 million people every 10 days! All these figures just seem a bit off.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 24, 2020 13:37:29 GMT
Indeed, we need to remember that it's this low death rate that's causing a mass spread. A disease which kills anyone it touches won't spread fast as eventually people will be able to die before passing it on. Precisely how ebola died out in West Africa. I know I make jokes about people in the UK being stupid but on a serious note if the government could maybe highlight what you said in one of their briefings, it would really help people grasp a better understanding of our situation and stop the fear mongering! Ebola hasn't died out - it resurfaced a few months back in Nigeria.
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