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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 18, 2020 0:34:32 GMT
Why install them in such an unprecedented time. Surely wait until the pandemic is over when you can fully engage with the community. In such a difficult, the suck it and see approach of trial and error is severely mistimed. We need calm and organisation in our life, not complete chaos brought to our streets, that only exacerbates breathing issues. The main purpose is to enable safe social distancing. How can you safely social distance when you have more people clustered together on main roads, it is as daft as a 10pm curfew time. The madness I have seen at nights when bars, pubs, take-away's, restaurants close is madness. It is like a mini rush hour on the streets. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 18, 2020 4:49:24 GMT
The main purpose is to enable safe social distancing. How can you safely social distance when you have more people clustered together on main roads, it is as daft as a 10pm curfew time. The madness I have seen at nights when bars, pubs, take-away's, restaurants close is madness. It is like a mini rush hour on the streets. And if pubs closed at 11pm you would have the same scenario one hour later, the only difference would be that people would be even more intoxicated and behaving even more irresponsibly. And of course there is nothing to stop people using their own common sense and leaving the pub at 9 or 9.30 to avoid this 'mini rush hour'. From a personal point of view I'm not particularly happy about it but the situation is what it is and we're all going to have to accept some inconvenience. . There are even more draconian rules elsewhere, in Paris for example there is a curfew between 9pm and 6am, you can't even go out other than to or from work. Let's hope we don't get to that situation here but there are too many 'covidiots' about as we saw in Liverpool the other night. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 18, 2020 4:59:52 GMT
And of course the 'nimbys' would say the selfish ones were the boy racers using their neighbourhood as a rat run. So the boy racers as you call them are the ones doing rat runs??? seriously!!! So are LTN's now only set up to stop 'boy racers' It's no worse than you calling people nimbys.......I can't be the only one who has noticed more people walking in the road because social distancing isn't possible on narrow footpaths? As I said in my previous post, we're all going to have to accept some inconvenience during this awful pandemic. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 18, 2020 8:53:19 GMT
How can you safely social distance when you have more people clustered together on main roads, it is as daft as a 10pm curfew time. The madness I have seen at nights when bars, pubs, take-away's, restaurants close is madness. It is like a mini rush hour on the streets. And if pubs closed at 11pm you would have the same scenario one hour later, the only difference would be that people would be even more intoxicated and behaving even more irresponsibly. And of course there is nothing to stop people using their own common sense and leaving the pub at 9 or 9.30 to avoid this 'mini rush hour'. From a personal point of view I'm not particularly happy about it but the situation is what it is and we're all going to have to accept some inconvenience. . There are even more draconian rules elsewhere, in Paris for example there is a curfew between 9pm and 6am, you can't even go out other than to or from work. Let's hope we don't get to that situation here but there are too many 'covidiots' about as we saw in Liverpool the other night. Even SAGE gave the closing of the hospitality sector early a minimal effect on the spread of COVID, it's lowest rating. The report also made no allowance for people leaving at the same time, so in reality probably has a negative effect on the containment of COVID. Obviously you know more than the governments scientific advisors (although I have wondered about their credentials before). The government needed to be seen to be doing something, and despite the scientific evidence decided to make the hospitality sector the sacrificial lamb, whilst dodging making a harder decision that ultimately would have had a greater effect in the reduction of COVID. If the status quo had remained, it is debatable if it would of had a marginal negative or positive effect on the spread of COVID ... all that it ended up doing was impacting and industrial sectors that has already experienced a crushing effect from COVID. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 18, 2020 8:58:31 GMT
So the boy racers as you call them are the ones doing rat runs??? seriously!!! So are LTN's now only set up to stop 'boy racers' It's no worse than you calling people nimbys.......I can't be the only one who has noticed more people walking in the road because social distancing isn't possible on narrow footpaths? As I said in my previous post, we're all going to have to accept some inconvenience during this awful pandemic. But it is mainly the local residents that are leading the protests against the LTNs. Rat-runs is word used by Croydon Council to describe those who they inconvenience, and the local residents are up in arms that they are describing them as vermin. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 18, 2020 9:25:22 GMT
And if pubs closed at 11pm you would have the same scenario one hour later, the only difference would be that people would be even more intoxicated and behaving even more irresponsibly. And of course there is nothing to stop people using their own common sense and leaving the pub at 9 or 9.30 to avoid this 'mini rush hour'. From a personal point of view I'm not particularly happy about it but the situation is what it is and we're all going to have to accept some inconvenience. . There are even more draconian rules elsewhere, in Paris for example there is a curfew between 9pm and 6am, you can't even go out other than to or from work. Let's hope we don't get to that situation here but there are too many 'covidiots' about as we saw in Liverpool the other night. Even SAGE gave the closing of the hospitality sector early a minimal effect on the spread of COVID, it's lowest rating. The report also made no allowance for people leaving at the same time, so in reality probably has a negative effect on the containment of COVID. Obviously you know more than the governments scientific advisors (although I have wondered about their credentials before). The government needed to be seen to be doing something, and despite the scientific evidence decided to make the hospitality sector the sacrificial lamb, whilst dodging making a harder decision that ultimately would have had a greater effect in the reduction of COVID. If the status quo had remained, it is debatable if it would of had a marginal negative or positive effect on the spread of COVID ... all that it ended up doing was impacting and industrial sectors that has already experienced a crushing effect from COVID. People gathering in enclosed spaces is the main danger, whether they're in the hospitality sector or elsewhere is irrelevant. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 9:38:15 GMT
Even SAGE gave the closing of the hospitality sector early a minimal effect on the spread of COVID, it's lowest rating. The report also made no allowance for people leaving at the same time, so in reality probably has a negative effect on the containment of COVID. Obviously you know more than the governments scientific advisors (although I have wondered about their credentials before). The government needed to be seen to be doing something, and despite the scientific evidence decided to make the hospitality sector the sacrificial lamb, whilst dodging making a harder decision that ultimately would have had a greater effect in the reduction of COVID. If the status quo had remained, it is debatable if it would of had a marginal negative or positive effect on the spread of COVID ... all that it ended up doing was impacting and industrial sectors that has already experienced a crushing effect from COVID. People gathering in enclosed spaces is the main danger, whether they're in the hospitality sector or elsewhere is irrelevant. Someone needs to have a word with the major supermarket chains (Excluding Morrisons who make a real effort) - Zero social distancing, queues down the aisle, no announcements encouraging social distancing. We are not even in the main Christmas shopping period yet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 9:45:30 GMT
So the boy racers as you call them are the ones doing rat runs??? seriously!!! So are LTN's now only set up to stop 'boy racers' It's no worse than you calling people nimbys.......I can't be the only one who has noticed more people walking in the road because social distancing isn't possible on narrow footpaths? As I said in my previous post, we're all going to have to accept some inconvenience during this awful pandemic. Sorry but I have to disagree about people using roads at least in my part of east London. You talk like people people are behaving the same as the height of the pandemic back in April and that is just not the case.
I went to Romford yesterday and it felt pretty much like pre pandemic no real attempt to distance. People ignoring one way system and carrying on as normal.
I came home via Stratford and used the Jubilee line and was surprised passengers made no attempt to distance instead all boarding the train in the last two carriages instead of walking towards the front of the train! Train had 2/3 minutes before departure, I ended up in a carriage with 1 other passenger meanwhile the back of train was like a peak hour commute.
We need to forget all these silly road and cycle scheme and start educating people on how to stop the spread otherwise we are stuck in the situation for a very long time!
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 18, 2020 10:05:32 GMT
Even SAGE gave the closing of the hospitality sector early a minimal effect on the spread of COVID, it's lowest rating. The report also made no allowance for people leaving at the same time, so in reality probably has a negative effect on the containment of COVID. Obviously you know more than the governments scientific advisors (although I have wondered about their credentials before). The government needed to be seen to be doing something, and despite the scientific evidence decided to make the hospitality sector the sacrificial lamb, whilst dodging making a harder decision that ultimately would have had a greater effect in the reduction of COVID. If the status quo had remained, it is debatable if it would of had a marginal negative or positive effect on the spread of COVID ... all that it ended up doing was impacting and industrial sectors that has already experienced a crushing effect from COVID. People gathering in enclosed spaces is the main danger, whether they're in the hospitality sector or elsewhere is irrelevant. It's called social distancing ... and how exactly does it differ between 10:00 and 10:01 to make it so much more dangerous. 10:00 is an arbitrary limit, without any thought or reasoning. So like the politician's you are totally disregarding the scientific report, that was written for them. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 18, 2020 10:23:13 GMT
People gathering in enclosed spaces is the main danger, whether they're in the hospitality sector or elsewhere is irrelevant. It's called social distancing ... and how exactly does it differ between 10:00 and 10:01 to make it so much more dangerous. 10:00 is an arbitrary limit, without any thought or reasoning. So like the politician's you are totally disregarding the scientific report, that was written for them. The more alcohol people consume the more irresponsible their behavior. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 18, 2020 10:48:25 GMT
It's called social distancing ... and how exactly does it differ between 10:00 and 10:01 to make it so much more dangerous. 10:00 is an arbitrary limit, without any thought or reasoning. So like the politician's you are totally disregarding the scientific report, that was written for them. The more alcohol people consume the more irresponsible their behavior. And it suddenly becomes out of control at 10:01 ..... pubs opened beyond 10:00 during the summer when people are more likely to be late night drinking. If pubs were the big spreaders like you are claiming it would have been rampant in the summer. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 18, 2020 11:07:02 GMT
It's called social distancing ... and how exactly does it differ between 10:00 and 10:01 to make it so much more dangerous. 10:00 is an arbitrary limit, without any thought or reasoning. So like the politician's you are totally disregarding the scientific report, that was written for them. The more alcohol people consume the more irresponsible their behavior. Someone intent on getting drunk does not specifically wait for the clock to hit 10 before they do it, if the last serve is before 10pm then people will just start earlier. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 18, 2020 11:56:27 GMT
The more alcohol people consume the more irresponsible their behavior. And it suddenly becomes out of control at 10:01 ..... pubs opened beyond 10:00 during the summer when people are more likely to be late night drinking. If pubs were the big spreaders like you are claiming it would have been rampant in the summer. The reinfection rate was lower in the summer, I'm not particularly happy about closing pubs at 10pm but there we are. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 18, 2020 14:11:39 GMT
And it suddenly becomes out of control at 10:01 ..... pubs opened beyond 10:00 during the summer when people are more likely to be late night drinking. If pubs were the big spreaders like you are claiming it would have been rampant in the summer. The reinfection rate was lower in the summer, I'm not particularly happy about closing pubs at 10pm but there we are. You have just proved your argument wrong. Pubs/restaurants were a lot more relaxed in the summer and infection rate was low ... so pubs/resturants can not be a cause of any significant concern for infection. If they were a significant concern, then the pubs/resturants would have been spreading it during the summer. The government scientist agree with what I say, but seemingly the government want to make easy targets of the whole hospitality sector and their workers. As much as you don't want to admit it, educational establishments are the biggest cause for concern, and if people/government are unwilling to tackle that issue, all other measures are a complete waste of time, with maybe care homes. Tackle the major sources or give up. Care homes were a major source in first wave, and schools were shut when we brought it under control, and the reopening coincided with the start of the 2nd wave. Have a plan to tackle the root causes ... not make undeserving sectors pay. Unless those sources are controlled numbers will continue to increase .... target these sources in tier 2/3 areas with weekly testing |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 18, 2020 16:22:19 GMT
And it suddenly becomes out of control at 10:01 ..... pubs opened beyond 10:00 during the summer when people are more likely to be late night drinking. If pubs were the big spreaders like you are claiming it would have been rampant in the summer. The reinfection rate was lower in the summer, I'm not particularly happy about closing pubs at 10pm but there we are. "there we are" is not a good excuse, there doesn't seem to be much of a justified reason for this and many scientists have said so too. |
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