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Post by greenboy on Dec 9, 2020 21:16:17 GMT
Is it? My partner didn't have any problems in Primark, somebody was on the door limiting numbers, hand sanitiser, face masks etc.... no different to the average supermarket. But pubs do all those things you mention currently. It was the queues to get in ... no point having great entry procedures if it has been spread about by customers while queueing to get in, with social distancing not practiced or enforced. Just seems highly unfair the little businesses are getting penalised at the expense of irresponsible multi-nationals I'm not sure Primark (or anyone else) can be held responsible for what happens outside their shop but from what I've seen queues are normally orderly and socially distanced. Believe me I would love to see pubs reopen but........
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Post by John tuthill on Dec 9, 2020 22:40:38 GMT
Says everything about the morons who shop there. What a ridiculous thing to say! My comment is based on what the photo shows, or not as the case maybe-some not wearing masks, and where is the 2m rule? I would have said it no matter what shop it was, and as a member who has lost a relative to the virus, I apologise to no one.
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Post by richard on Dec 9, 2020 23:56:33 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Dec 10, 2020 0:09:51 GMT
Me three
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Post by vjaska on Dec 10, 2020 0:13:55 GMT
But pubs do all those things you mention currently. It was the queues to get in ... no point having great entry procedures if it has been spread about by customers while queueing to get in, with social distancing not practiced or enforced. Just seems highly unfair the little businesses are getting penalised at the expense of irresponsible multi-nationals I'm not sure Primark (or anyone else) can be held responsible for what happens outside their shop but from what I've seen queues are normally orderly and socially distanced. Believe me I would love to see pubs reopen but........ Just because your local Primark is following rules does not mean others aren't - why do you always assume that everywhere follows what your area or your local shops do. Great for you that you live somewhere where everyone is perfect but most of us don't.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 10, 2020 12:39:39 GMT
Providing you do it socially distanced and follow the guidance in place, then great but the problem is few people are doing that hence why it's possible we end up in Tier 3 which will be bad for jobs across London. True, but we can’t keep having restrictions going forward, because that will be bad for small businesses, the high street and more importantly mental & emotional health, normality has to return at some point or else kiss goodbye TfL, the NHS etc because the economy will be in the toilet (it pretty much is already), I for one cannot see further restrictions beyond February/March so fingers crossed. But your missing the point - the quicker people do as their told, the quicker restrictions can be eased and the quicker the pain eases. We all want it to end but not at the expense of having further potential deadly waves and an overwhelmed NHS. I suffered with anxiety for the very first time in my life during the first lockdown but you know what, I stand by the fact we had two lockdowns because it would of been a hell of a lot worse than now. Restrictions will still be in place beyond February & March, it all depends on how strict they are and that will depend on people’s behaviour over Christmas & through the new year - do not be surprised if we enter a potential third lockdown in January.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 10, 2020 13:01:35 GMT
Looking more and more likely London will be heading into tier 3 in a week or so.
Personally not surprised after seeing how people acted during the so called lockdown. I went to Romford at the weekend and was surprised just how busy it was! I have seen photos of Oxford Street too and that was madness! Yes I know I was out so can't say much but I went to a few shops and came home, I was a hour max.
The worrying thing is the infection rate is high already, I imagine it will be even worse once the effect of pubs/ restaurants opening is realised.
I think lockdowns are not the way forward anymore. You need to go out otherwise you’ll go insane. I did not bother with lockdowns anymore, pointless imo as all it is doing is suppressing the virus, it is not a cure. After Dominic Cummins debable I lost respect for it. I have visit family and gone to the shops and work. After catching coronavirus earlier in the year when we were told wearing masks etc was pointless and the Chinese got it wrong, then we end up doing almost everything they did after is a joke.
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Post by route53 on Dec 10, 2020 13:07:26 GMT
True, but we can’t keep having restrictions going forward, because that will be bad for small businesses, the high street and more importantly mental & emotional health, normality has to return at some point or else kiss goodbye TfL, the NHS etc because the economy will be in the toilet (it pretty much is already), I for one cannot see further restrictions beyond February/March so fingers crossed. But your missing the point - the quicker people do as their told, the quicker restrictions can be eased and the quicker the pain eases. We all want it to end but not at the expense of having further potential deadly waves and an overwhelmed NHS. I suffered with anxiety for the very first time in my life during the first lockdown but you know what, I stand by the fact we had two lockdowns because it would of been a hell of a lot worse than now. Restrictions will still be in place beyond February & March, it all depends on how strict they are and that will depend on people’s behaviour over Christmas & through the new year - do not be surprised if we enter a potential third lockdown in January. [br Try telling that to people with small businesses or aren’t able to work from home or agency staff who’s furlough is a pittance, or those losing their homes because they can’t afford rents, if the economy goes then there won’t be an NHS to protect. Long term we need to live with Covid it’ll be as common as the flu and cold, my gran had Covid and she said it was a mix between a flu and a bad cold, she survived, and she had a heart by pass a few years ago, People are rightly getting fed up and getting Covid fatigue because they’re fed up putting their lives on hold, Covid has a high survival rate and like any virus it’s worse for those with pre-existing health conditions. I know of friends who ha lost businesses and livelihoods over night so to tell them to just get on with it and obey wouldn’t be helpful
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 10, 2020 13:19:43 GMT
I think lockdowns are not the way forward anymore. You need to go out otherwise you’ll go insane. No one is stopping anyone going out its about being sensible - You only have to look at the crowds shopping like the pandemic is on holiday for Christmas.
Zero social distancing - blatant mixing outside of the rule of 6 inside venues . The things I see in my place of working is shocking! people can't even be bothered with a really easy one way system or wear a mask apart from when they enter the building then when out of sight its off.
The one-way system is a joke imo and would do nothing much to prevent the disease. It would have people walking in flow with each other more than anything else. A good example is at train stations where this is employed, the majority of times, people come off a train together, keeping them huddled close to go through one exit than dispersing to go via different exits is just a recipe for disaster. It is as foolish as the 10pm kick out rule which sees everyone go out in one hit. I was surprised the other day at Blackhorse Rd station they employed people who are not London Underground staff to tell people which way to go out of the 2 exits in the station, but then they closed the third, completely pathetic. What angers me TfL in the red but then they waste money like this but then have 3 Underground station staff sitting in one room doing sweet FA Why should I come off at a station and walk with 20-30 people and go through an exit around 6 ft wide, when no one is coming in the other exit which is wider and not be amongst people.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 10, 2020 14:35:53 GMT
But your missing the point - the quicker people do as their told, the quicker restrictions can be eased and the quicker the pain eases. We all want it to end but not at the expense of having further potential deadly waves and an overwhelmed NHS. I suffered with anxiety for the very first time in my life during the first lockdown but you know what, I stand by the fact we had two lockdowns because it would of been a hell of a lot worse than now. Restrictions will still be in place beyond February & March, it all depends on how strict they are and that will depend on people’s behaviour over Christmas & through the new year - do not be surprised if we enter a potential third lockdown in January. [br Try telling that to people with small businesses or aren’t able to work from home or agency staff who’s furlough is a pittance, or those losing their homes because they can’t afford rents, if the economy goes then there won’t be an NHS to protect. Long term we need to live with Covid it’ll be as common as the flu and cold, my gran had Covid and she said it was a mix between a flu and a bad cold, she survived, and she had a heart by pass a few years ago, People are rightly getting fed up and getting Covid fatigue because they’re fed up putting their lives on hold, Covid has a high survival rate and like any virus it’s worse for those with pre-existing health conditions. I know of friends who ha lost businesses and livelihoods over night so to tell them to just get on with it and obey wouldn’t be helpful The NHS funding was ring fenced during the financial crisis and recession - it was the one thing even the usually anti NHS Tories didn't want to cut so I'm lost why you keep saying there won't be an NHS to protect. We all feel sorry for people who have lost jobs, furloughed, can't pay rent, etc. but equally, I feel sorry for families who are losing people who would still be alive had the government acted much sooner and had society behaved reasonably - plenty of examples of other countries who got it under control and even some who are back to normality pretty much like Australia & New Zealand. I had Covid and I ended up in hospital - it's a horrible illness and is nothing like the flu which is mild. Once you recover, you can still suffer from long term effects which I did for many months so don't play it down please. You think I'm happy with my own life on hold? Absolutely not - I want to get back to meeting my mates, going to cinema, going abroad to see family etc. but equally, I couldn't live with myself if I was to blame if I unknowingly passed it on to those close to me or others and that means life has to pause until the second half of 2021 going by the vaccine roll out, then so be it. Helpful or not, stopping people from dieing and receiving long term effects from it is the priority until the vaccine has been given to enough people to then begin to switch priorities - as I mention, experts say this should happen summer to 2nd half of 2021.
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Post by route53 on Dec 10, 2020 16:16:09 GMT
[br Try telling that to people with small businesses or aren’t able to work from home or agency staff who’s furlough is a pittance, or those losing their homes because they can’t afford rents, if the economy goes then there won’t be an NHS to protect. Long term we need to live with Covid it’ll be as common as the flu and cold, my gran had Covid and she said it was a mix between a flu and a bad cold, she survived, and she had a heart by pass a few years ago, People are rightly getting fed up and getting Covid fatigue because they’re fed up putting their lives on hold, Covid has a high survival rate and like any virus it’s worse for those with pre-existing health conditions. I know of friends who ha lost businesses and livelihoods over night so to tell them to just get on with it and obey wouldn’t be helpful The NHS funding was ring fenced during the financial crisis and recession - it was the one thing even the usually anti NHS Tories didn't want to cut so I'm lost why you keep saying there won't be an NHS to protect. We all feel sorry for people who have lost jobs, furloughed, can't pay rent, etc. but equally, I feel sorry for families who are losing people who would still be alive had the government acted much sooner and had society behaved reasonably - plenty of examples of other countries who got it under control and even some who are back to normality pretty much like Australia & New Zealand. I had Covid and I ended up in hospital - it's a horrible illness and is nothing like the flu which is mild. Once you recover, you can still suffer from long term effects which I did for many months so don't play it down please. You think I'm happy with my own life on hold? Absolutely not - I want to get back to meeting my mates, going to cinema, going abroad to see family etc. but equally, I couldn't live with myself if I was to blame if I unknowingly passed it on to those close to me or others and that means life has to pause until the second half of 2021 going by the vaccine roll out, then so be it. Helpful or not, stopping people from dieing and receiving long term effects from it is the priority until the vaccine has been given to enough people to then begin to switch priorities - as I mention, experts say this should happen summer to 2nd half of 2021. I wasn’t playing it down, as I said my grandmother had it, and to her it felt like a mild flu to her, I’m only telling you what she told me so again I’m not playing it down. I understand we need to protect lives, but again it has a high survival rate and at this point we should be working toward a sensible normality, where businesses can open up and only vulnerable people isolate while healthy people get back to normal in stages, until we live with Covid because that’s the ultimate end game here even with a vaccine Sorry that you had Covid and that it was bad for you, but I’m also looking out for the majority who will become much poorer as a result of two lockdowns and restrictions, I’ve lost my flat, my job and I’m only now working again, so excuse me if I’m not jumping for joy and waving the lockdown flag, not saying you are but there are many unsympathetic people who are.
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Post by richard on Dec 10, 2020 17:35:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 17:43:16 GMT
Its testing not vaccinations.
This really is needed as this age group along with 16 - 18 years old are not taking it serious. At least they will have to isolate if testing positive.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 10, 2020 23:11:40 GMT
Its testing not vaccinations.
This really is needed as this age group along with 16 - 18 years old are not taking it serious. At least they will have to isolate if testing positive.
Even if they test positive, try keeping some of them indoors to isolate is another matter.
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Post by greenboy on Dec 11, 2020 9:35:05 GMT
I think lockdowns are not the way forward anymore. You need to go out otherwise you’ll go insane. I did not bother with lockdowns anymore, pointless imo as all it is doing is suppressing the virus, it is not a cure. After Dominic Cummins debable I lost respect for it. I have visit family and gone to the shops and work. After catching coronavirus earlier in the year when we were told wearing masks etc was pointless and the Chinese got it wrong, then we end up doing almost everything they did after is a joke. Dominic Cummings had a family emergency, Kay Burley and Beth Rigby had a party. Anyway regardless of what others do I will continue to comply with the rules to the best of my ability, I've not seen numerous family members in months. Initially it would have been pointless telling people to wear face coverings as there would have been nowhere near enough to go round but obviously now they are plentiful, it almost seems normal now to have a face mask on now when I'm out. Anyway the vaccine does give just a little bit of light at the end of this very dark tunnel.
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