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Post by Paul on Nov 26, 2021 11:03:54 GMT
Disagree. You have the right to decide. You have to live with the repercussions of that decision. Why should the many (the vaccinated) be locked down when the few (unvaccinated) create the risk. I don't want the unvaccinated infringing on my rights ... as you said that we all have ... you take the risk, you accept the consequences. So you would really go for everyone locked down again, when the risk can be mitigated by locking down a few? The vaccinated have rights as well! People have rights, just as you likely chose to have the vaccine they have chosen not to. As I said I don’t like it and I don’t respect their choice but we have a society built on choice and freedoms so the minute that starts to get taken away society will start to crumble. I don’t have to respect their choice but I would make a hill to die on protecting their right to make it as I would for anyone. I have no issues with people having a right to choose and I’ll join you on that hill. However, they cannot exercise that right but not have to think about any repercussions of that decision. A right to choose also comes with the responsibility to understand potential repercussions. If choosing not to be vaccinated ends up with them being locked down then that is simply their choice
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 26, 2021 11:20:46 GMT
People have rights, just as you likely chose to have the vaccine they have chosen not to. As I said I don’t like it and I don’t respect their choice but we have a society built on choice and freedoms so the minute that starts to get taken away society will start to crumble. I don’t have to respect their choice but I would make a hill to die on protecting their right to make it as I would for anyone. They have rights, and that right is to choose not to have the vaccine. That is where it ends. Where does it say their decision can affect the rights of myself and many others. So what about my rights ... Will you protect those, or expect me to give up mine? What do you do when there are conflicting rights and you can not protect both? As a vaccinated person am I entitled to the right to avoid another lockdown due to a risk imposed by a few, which would not be a risk if the few were the only ones locked down? Are you saying I have no rights? Of course you have rights but in this case no one is trying to deny your freedom. You have sided with the majority and that’s fine but this is not dystopia. We are not turning pitchforks and torches on the unvaccinated because they threaten you when in reality the vaccine only lowers your exposure, severity and likelihood of catching covid but let’s be clear you can still catch covid. Locking the unvaccinated down won’t remove the threat of it and the media/government is using coercion to make you think that the unvaccinated are the real threat when in reality it is still the virus itself. We have to stop this dangerous us and them narrative.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 26, 2021 11:56:14 GMT
They have rights, and that right is to choose not to have the vaccine. That is where it ends. Where does it say their decision can affect the rights of myself and many others. So what about my rights ... Will you protect those, or expect me to give up mine? What do you do when there are conflicting rights and you can not protect both? As a vaccinated person am I entitled to the right to avoid another lockdown due to a risk imposed by a few, which would not be a risk if the few were the only ones locked down? Are you saying I have no rights? Of course you have rights but in this case no one is trying to deny your freedom. You have sided with the majority and that’s fine but this is not dystopia. We are not turning pitchforks and torches on the unvaccinated because they threaten you when in reality the vaccine only lowers your exposure, severity and likelihood of catching covid but let’s be clear you can still catch covid. Locking the unvaccinated down won’t remove the threat of it and the media/government is using coercion to make you think that the unvaccinated are the real threat when in reality it is still the virus itself. We have to stop this dangerous us and them narrative. Surely if there is another national lockdown I will be denied my freedom. Why should those that are low risk and those that are high risk be treated the same?
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 26, 2021 12:12:02 GMT
Of course you have rights but in this case no one is trying to deny your freedom. You have sided with the majority and that’s fine but this is not dystopia. We are not turning pitchforks and torches on the unvaccinated because they threaten you when in reality the vaccine only lowers your exposure, severity and likelihood of catching covid but let’s be clear you can still catch covid. Locking the unvaccinated down won’t remove the threat of it and the media/government is using coercion to make you think that the unvaccinated are the real threat when in reality it is still the virus itself. We have to stop this dangerous us and them narrative. Surely if there is another national lockdown I will be denied my freedom. Why should those that are low risk and those that are high risk be treated the same? Because we are all in this together. Let me ask you if both the vaccinated and unvaccinated are going around without masks, which arguably could be causing case number spikes, who have you been conditioned to blame? The only reason you believe the unvaccinated are high risk is because you’ve been conditioned over the last 2 years to think everyone else who isn’t doing things the “correct way” is the enemy. As I’ve pointed out the virus is the real threat and it can still get you regardless of vaccination status. You can still be an asymptotic carrier passing on the virus if you’ve been vaccinated. Dividing this country further when there are already so many political, religious, sexual divisions just isn’t helpful. I need you to see that the unvaccinated are not the enemy, they like you have made the choice that is right for them. After all they could be your mother, father, sister, brother, cousin but you just wouldn’t know.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 26, 2021 12:42:42 GMT
Surely if there is another national lockdown I will be denied my freedom. Why should those that are low risk and those that are high risk be treated the same? Because we are all in this together. Let me ask you if both the vaccinated and unvaccinated are going around without masks, which arguably could be causing case number spikes, who have you been conditioned to blame? The only reason you believe the unvaccinated are high risk is because you’ve been conditioned over the last 2 years to think everyone else who isn’t doing things the “correct way” is the enemy. As I’ve pointed out the virus is the real threat and it can still get you regardless of vaccination status. You can still be an asymptotic carrier passing on the virus if you’ve been vaccinated. Dividing this country further when there are already so many political, religious, sexual divisions just isn’t helpful. I need you to see that the unvaccinated are not the enemy, they like you have made the choice that is right for them. After all they could be your mother, father, sister, brother, cousin but you just wouldn’t know. I agree the virus is the real problem ... it needs to be got rid of. Who is most likely to catch the virus? Then, who is most likely to spread the virus? Who is most likely to get hospitalised putting pressure on the NHS. Who is more likely to die from the virus? Either or questions with vaccinated or unvaccinated the possible answers. So yes the virus is the problem. One group is trying to prevent it spreading, one is helping to facilitate the spread of it. My mother, father and sister are all vaccinated ... we learnt the earth was not flat at a young age.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 26, 2021 17:12:13 GMT
Went to Stratford today and noticed how busy the 104/238/262/473 all were as well as the 25/425. Didn't notice so much of the 86 but the network seems pretty much back to normal in that part of the city! And this was at about 11am. Was especially surprised about the 262/473.
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Post by WH241 on Nov 26, 2021 17:22:50 GMT
Went to Stratford today and noticed how busy the 104/238/262/473 all were as well as the 25/425. Didn't notice so much of the 86 but the network seems pretty much back to normal in that part of the city! And this was at about 11am. Was especially surprised about the 262/473. Why surprised? These have always been busy routes especially towards Stratford.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 26, 2021 17:33:47 GMT
Went to Stratford today and noticed how busy the 104/238/262/473 all were as well as the 25/425. Didn't notice so much of the 86 but the network seems pretty much back to normal in that part of the city! And this was at about 11am. Was especially surprised about the 262/473. Why surprised? These have always been busy routes especially towards Stratford. I'd say I was more surprised about the 473 than the 262 because I always thought it was the emptier side than the others however today changed my view.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 17:45:54 GMT
The UK government has issued travel bans to 6 African countries and rightly so, otherwise cases (presumably deaths and hospitalisations too) would rise triggering plan B if they didn't act quickly enough.
Let's hope they did because I feel if they didn't act quick enough they would resort to plan B. However I feel they did better than in the spring with delta
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 26, 2021 17:49:10 GMT
The UK government has issued travel bans to 6 African countries and rightly so, otherwise cases (presumably deaths and hospitalisations too) would rise triggering plan B if they didn't act quickly enough. Let's hope they did because I feel if they didn't act quick enough they would resort to plan B. However I feel they did better than in the spring with delta Would like to have seen Mozambique, Hong Kong and Belgium added to the list where there have already been cases of the variant discovered.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 26, 2021 17:53:54 GMT
The UK government has issued travel bans to 6 African countries and rightly so, otherwise cases (presumably deaths and hospitalisations too) would rise triggering plan B if they didn't act quickly enough. Let's hope they did because I feel if they didn't act quick enough they would resort to plan B. However I feel they did better than in the spring with delta Agree - for once, they've seemed to have moved quickly on this particular variant being discovered so on this rare occasion, they get the benefit of the doubt from me.
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Post by WH241 on Nov 26, 2021 18:20:19 GMT
The UK government has issued travel bans to 6 African countries and rightly so, otherwise cases (presumably deaths and hospitalisations too) would rise triggering plan B if they didn't act quickly enough. Let's hope they did because I feel if they didn't act quick enough they would resort to plan B. However I feel they did better than in the spring with delta Would be shocked if the new variant is not already here sadly! We have moved quickly this time but would go further and move back to face masks in shops and transport and schools.
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Post by WH241 on Nov 26, 2021 20:06:29 GMT
New variant now named Omicron!
Our daily cases was already rising with over 50k new cases reported today.
New Covid variant classed as ‘of concern’ by WHO and called Omicron
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Post by WH241 on Nov 26, 2021 20:12:22 GMT
Why surprised? These have always been busy routes especially towards Stratford. I'd say I was more surprised about the 473 than the 262 because I always thought it was the emptier side than the others however today changed my view. It duplicates the 262 from Stratford to the A13 / Prince Regent so have always supported each other - The North Woolwich end is quieter than the Beckton end of the 262.
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Post by WH241 on Nov 26, 2021 20:32:22 GMT
Just to balance things little
Blackstone bets on Canary Wharf with office deal
The deal is a fresh sign of confidence in Canary Wharf’s office market, which has been dented by the rise of homeworking since the outbreak of Covid-19 last year.
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