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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 8:59:42 GMT
Coronavirus: New London bus safety measures after nine worker deaths Some routes at WL will be trialled for rear door boarding I read that in bbc news but it was not clear on how passengers would pay. Will they install NBfL style readers at the rear doors or is it an honour system style. I know it’s not a major thing at the moment to worry about but I’d like to know. Maybe the government will be covering the lost revenue at TfL?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 9:14:37 GMT
Coronavirus: New London bus safety measures after nine worker deaths Some routes at WL will be trialled for rear door boarding I read that in bbc news but it was not clear on how passengers would pay. Will they install NBfL style readers at the rear doors or is it an honour system style. I know it’s not a major thing at the moment to worry about but I’d like to know. Maybe the government will be covering the lost revenue at TfL? I am not sure how practical it would be to install readers? Maybe they will just take the hit on revenue. Hopefully this situation will settle down in the next 3 months and we will return to some normality.
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Post by richard on Apr 8, 2020 11:18:20 GMT
Coronavirus: New London bus safety measures after nine worker deaths Some routes at WL will be trialled for rear door boarding I read that in bbc news but it was not clear on how passengers would pay. Will they install NBfL style readers at the rear doors or is it an honour system style. I know it’s not a major thing at the moment to worry about but I’d like to know. Maybe the government will be covering the lost revenue at TfL? I don't think they will go out of their way to install LT type oyster readers where will they get the man power from if they are short of staff?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 11:59:03 GMT
I read that in bbc news but it was not clear on how passengers would pay. Will they install NBfL style readers at the rear doors or is it an honour system style. I know it’s not a major thing at the moment to worry about but I’d like to know. Maybe the government will be covering the lost revenue at TfL? I don't think they will go out of their way to install LT type oyster readers where will they get the man power from if they are short of staff? In my mind I was thinking a free standing oyster reader rather than a full installation on a pole.
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Post by richard on Apr 8, 2020 12:34:51 GMT
I don't think they will go out of their way to install LT type oyster readers where will they get the man power from if they are short of staff? In my mind I was thinking a free standing oyster reader rather than a full installation on a pole. It's possible that it could happen like that but personally I can't see it. I think they will wave the fares and just let you walk on its really going to be had to control that if the during the peaks buses are still busy and people are not self distancing.
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Post by busaholic on Apr 8, 2020 13:00:54 GMT
In my mind I was thinking a free standing oyster reader rather than a full installation on a pole. It's possible that it could happen like that but personally I can't see it. I think they will wave the fares and just let you walk on its really going to be had to control that if the during the peaks buses are still busy and people are not self distancing. I can't believe revenue loss is even a consideration in this. I know the bus workers' union doesn't have much clout these days, but if nothing were done it would present TfL and the Mayor in a bad light. I can see that, unofficially maybe, middle (or rear too on NBfLs) doors will become the entrance as well as exit within days, even though that WON'T help passengers social distancing one bit, especially the old and/or fragile who tend to congregate near the middle door.
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Post by richard on Apr 8, 2020 13:21:17 GMT
It's possible that it could happen like that but personally I can't see it. I think they will wave the fares and just let you walk on its really going to be had to control that if the during the peaks buses are still busy and people are not self distancing. I can't believe revenue loss is even a consideration in this. I know the bus workers' union doesn't have much clout these days, but if nothing were done it would present TfL and the Mayor in a bad light. I can see that, unofficially maybe, middle (or rear too on NBfLs) doors will become the entrance as well as exit within days, even though that WON'T help passengers social distancing one bit, especially the old and/or fragile who tend to congregate near the middle door. Exactly my point how are they going to police this? They already struggle at the best of times on LTs since the boarding changes to place how is this going to make any difference? Yes there is low passenger usage currently but people won't take any notice.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 8, 2020 13:50:47 GMT
I thought that it already exist because the 395s don’t let people go though the front doors or pay. Whenever I board a 395 a driver always tells me to go through the middle doors and not pay so avoid be contact with the customers. If this policy is not in place on all buses I wonder why not. You have to be careful that the actions don’t miss the point and assume the passengers are exclusively the problem. One of the deaths was a garage supervisor at Willesden. How many passengers would a supervisor within the garage meet ? Before closing front doors, you need to be certain that it it is not passengers, but instead could something be wrong with the cleaning and sanitisation of the bus controls between staff changeovers. Could it be the door handles to staff locker rooms or mess rooms aren’t being disinfected, was a staff vehicle used without be sanitised since last user, I don’t want to accuse, but there have been some comments that suggest 100% of the risk goes if passengers use back doors. For obvious reasons there is a reluctance to accept some colleagues may be the problem, and some Union comments are the worst for assuming must be anyone but staff. What worries me is all drivers are perfect attitude may be masking the cause of how some are catching Coronavirus. You're right but closing off the front doors removes one potential means of passing on the virus and if that's what drivers want I don't see any argument against it. It certainly shouldn't be a problem on LT's and a one way system on both decks should reduce passengers coming into close proximity as far as is reasonably possible. I guess there is no way of knowing how some drivers have sadly contacted the virus and of course it may have happened whilst they were off duty.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 8, 2020 16:27:54 GMT
You have to be careful that the actions don’t miss the point and assume the passengers are exclusively the problem. One of the deaths was a garage supervisor at Willesden. How many passengers would a supervisor within the garage meet ? Before closing front doors, you need to be certain that it it is not passengers, but instead could something be wrong with the cleaning and sanitisation of the bus controls between staff changeovers. Could it be the door handles to staff locker rooms or mess rooms aren’t being disinfected, was a staff vehicle used without be sanitised since last user, I don’t want to accuse, but there have been some comments that suggest 100% of the risk goes if passengers use back doors. For obvious reasons there is a reluctance to accept some colleagues may be the problem, and some Union comments are the worst for assuming must be anyone but staff. What worries me is all drivers are perfect attitude may be masking the cause of how some are catching Coronavirus. You're right but closing off the front doors removes one potential means of passing on the virus and if that's what drivers want I don't see any argument against it. It certainly shouldn't be a problem on LT's and a one way system on both decks should reduce passengers coming into close proximity as far as is reasonably possible. I guess there is no way of knowing how some drivers have sadly contacted the virus and of course it may have happened whilst they were off duty. Drivers are protected by an assault shield similar to the plastic screens installed at tills in supermarkets - the difference is drivers don’t handle cash in London whereas a cashier is constantly coming into contact with people every minute. All key workers need PPE personally but I’m very dubious by the impact shutting front doors will have.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 16:29:09 GMT
Today I passed a GAL training bus on the A13 - pretty sure I spotted a driver and instructor. Surprised they are still training as the space between driver and instructor can't be 2 meters?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 16:34:07 GMT
You're right but closing off the front doors removes one potential means of passing on the virus and if that's what drivers want I don't see any argument against it. It certainly shouldn't be a problem on LT's and a one way system on both decks should reduce passengers coming into close proximity as far as is reasonably possible. I guess there is no way of knowing how some drivers have sadly contacted the virus and of course it may have happened whilst they were off duty. Drivers are protected by an assault shield similar to the plastic screens installed at tills in supermarkets - the difference is drivers don’t handle cash in London whereas a cashier is constantly coming into contact with people every minute. All key workers need PPE personally but I’m very dubious by the impact shutting front doors will have. Maybe I am overthinking this but you are surely likely now going to get passengers coming into close contact with passengers leaving the bus? I know some will wait but other won't.
I know its not practical but I would make buses open for all during shopping hours but at other times work ID is required. I would also thin out services after 10pm.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 8, 2020 16:36:58 GMT
Drivers are protected by an assault shield similar to the plastic screens installed at tills in supermarkets - the difference is drivers don’t handle cash in London whereas a cashier is constantly coming into contact with people every minute. All key workers need PPE personally but I’m very dubious by the impact shutting front doors will have. Maybe I am overthinking this but you are surely likely now going to get passengers coming into close contact with passengers leaving the bus? I know some will wait but other won't. I know its not practical but I would make buses open for all during shopping hours but at other times work ID is required. I would also thin out services after 10pm.
Yes, the point you raise above is why I’m dubious about it because as you say, we know some passengers won’t wait regardless of how many want to board or alight and all it takes is one to pass it on.
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Post by galwhv69 on Apr 8, 2020 16:41:41 GMT
Apparently TfL are taking the hit on getting no revenue
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Post by george on Apr 8, 2020 17:05:54 GMT
Ok apparently the C10 is part of the trial. This is according to Itv News London.
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Post by richard on Apr 8, 2020 17:47:03 GMT
Ok apparently the C10 is part of the trial. This is according to Itv News London. BBC London News says routes nine bus routes will be rear door boarding only but hasn't mentioned wich ones.
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