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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 10:05:27 GMT
Just been told lots of the new buses on the 25 have been damaged due to drivers not approaching bus stops correctly.
A revised route test has been undertaken and no problems reported. If this continues drivers will have to be retrained using the mirrors less technology.
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Post by YY13VKP on Jun 2, 2020 10:16:27 GMT
Just been told lots of the new buses on the 25 have been damaged due to drivers not approaching bus stops correctly. A revised route test has been undertaken and no problems reported. If this continues drivers will have to be retained using the mirrors less technology. If you're talking about the fact that drivers keep knocking out the camera mirrors on bus stop poles and trees, it's a common problem when the mirrorless buses first start out, Metrobus Croydon had these issues in the first few weeks of the 197 being operated. This is one of the reasons why extensive type training is needed for these buses, not least the fact that it must take some time for the drivers to get used to the technology.
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Post by YY13VKP on Jun 2, 2020 10:18:08 GMT
Only since moving over to TB. Don’t think Metrobus interworked the 146 with any of their other routes For many years there were a few journeys on the 146 that were worked by buses from other routes - even when the route was run from GD, MB continued to work these journeys. Going back a bit further I believe there was some interworking with the 246 for a while (in the days when both routes used Mini Darts). However in the latter years of Metrobus operation it did become a standalone operation. So if the 146 was to be lost, it seems as though it does not need to rely on the 336 for its evening journeys which currently uses a bus crosslinked from the 336 (TB172)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 10:18:54 GMT
Just been told lots of the new buses on the 25 have been damaged due to drivers not approaching bus stops correctly. A revised route test has been undertaken and no problems reported. If this continues drivers will have to be retained using the mirrors less technology. If you're talking about the fact that drivers keep knocking out the camera mirrors on bus stop poles and trees, it's a common problem when the mirrorless buses first start out, Metrobus Croydon had these issues in the first few weeks of the 197 being operated. This is one of the reasons why extensive type training is needed for these buses, not least the fact that it must take some time for the drivers to get used to the technology. Not sure of the details, just been told a message was sent out today to BW drivers. Will try and find out more.
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Post by richard on Jun 2, 2020 11:37:06 GMT
Just been told lots of the new buses on the 25 have been damaged due to drivers not approaching bus stops correctly. A revised route test has been undertaken and no problems reported. If this continues drivers will have to be retrained using the mirrors less technology. I knew something like this would happen.
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Post by george on Jun 2, 2020 11:59:14 GMT
Just been told lots of the new buses on the 25 have been damaged due to drivers not approaching bus stops correctly. A revised route test has been undertaken and no problems reported. If this continues drivers will have to be retrained using the mirrors less technology. I knew something like this would happen. But it's happening because the camera mirrors are new so will take time for drivers to get used to them. It's not the case that camera mirrors are worse than than standard mirrors and vice versa. If camera mirrors had been around for years and normal mirrors were being brought in it's likely there would also be problems.
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Post by snowman on Jun 2, 2020 12:23:35 GMT
I knew something like this would happen. But it's happening because the camera mirrors are new so will take time for drivers to get used to them. It's not the case that camera mirrors are worse than than standard mirrors and vice versa. If camera mirrors had been around for years and normal mirrors were being brought in it's likely there would also be problems. The odd thing is the cameras are much smaller than mirrors Perhaps some drivers kept bashing mirrors, but as their arms are great big steel rods, rather than delicate electronics in thin casing, probably survived better. Of course can only hit the bus stop poles if overhanging the pavement which says something about the driving.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 2, 2020 12:31:11 GMT
But it's happening because the camera mirrors are new so will take time for drivers to get used to them. It's not the case that camera mirrors are worse than than standard mirrors and vice versa. If camera mirrors had been around for years and normal mirrors were being brought in it's likely there would also be problems. The odd thing is the cameras are much smaller than mirrors Perhaps some drivers kept bashing mirrors, but as their arms are great big steel rods, rather than delicate electronics in thin casing, probably survived better. Of course can only hit the bus stop poles if overhanging the pavement which says something about the driving. I was thinking the same, especially as some MMCs such as the ones at BK have such huge mirrors that almost take out anyone standing in their path, if I was a bit taller than I am I'd have certainly become victim to them by now. I wonder if the issue is not so much the cameras being damaged, but drivers not reacting quick to hazards. For example glancing left to see if they're about to hit something on the curb, realising there's no mirror there by which point it's too late. I know that it can happen to even the best of drivers because it's a change from something that becomes instinct for any driver.
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Post by snowman on Jun 2, 2020 12:31:59 GMT
I'd guess that they already had build slots reserved for their provincial order, so they would just have asked for those build slots to be switched to the London order. As you say, I doubt they would have ordered SWB buses for their provincial operations. It is down to the build slots as you say. I remember there were order changes years ago with the SLD's changing some to the longer 10.8m from 10.2m although things like this do have a cut off date though. Most of the chassis are built at Guildford, you obviously can’t stick a short body on a short chassis so latest change date would be fabricating the chassis. However what it is possible to do is to split and switch orders. as an example assume Abellio ordered all their deckers in one batch but said don’t need some until June, then can pause and build someone else’s before resuming production. If parts are same would it really matter if a wheel bought for one bus ended up on another bus
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 2, 2020 12:35:21 GMT
Just been told lots of the new buses on the 25 have been damaged due to drivers not approaching bus stops correctly. A revised route test has been undertaken and no problems reported. If this continues drivers will have to be retained using the mirrors less technology. If you're talking about the fact that drivers keep knocking out the camera mirrors on bus stop poles and trees, it's a common problem when the mirrorless buses first start out, Metrobus Croydon had these issues in the first few weeks of the 197 being operated. This is one of the reasons why extensive type training is needed for these buses, not least the fact that it must take some time for the drivers to get used to the technology. Overall I wouldn’t be surprised if they are kept route bound to the 25 & 425. When HTs arrive for the 202 & 405 I wouldn’t be surprised if they are kept route bound because of the Camera Mirrors.
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Post by george on Jun 2, 2020 13:00:04 GMT
If you're talking about the fact that drivers keep knocking out the camera mirrors on bus stop poles and trees, it's a common problem when the mirrorless buses first start out, Metrobus Croydon had these issues in the first few weeks of the 197 being operated. This is one of the reasons why extensive type training is needed for these buses, not least the fact that it must take some time for the drivers to get used to the technology. Overall I wouldn’t be surprised if they are kept route bound to the 25 & 425. When HTs arrive for the 202 & 405 I wouldn’t be surprised if they are kept route bound because of the Camera Mirrors. I can no longer find the tweet but I'm sure abellio said the 285 MMCs wouldn't go on the 267 for that very reason.
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Post by VPL630 on Jun 2, 2020 13:19:43 GMT
But it's happening because the camera mirrors are new so will take time for drivers to get used to them. It's not the case that camera mirrors are worse than than standard mirrors and vice versa. If camera mirrors had been around for years and normal mirrors were being brought in it's likely there would also be problems. The odd thing is the cameras are much smaller than mirrors Perhaps some drivers kept bashing mirrors, but as their arms are great big steel rods, rather than delicate electronics in thin casing, probably survived better. Of course can only hit the bus stop poles if overhanging the pavement which says something about the driving. I think the problem is that you are no longer looking at the N/S of the bus as much because where you are looking (The Screen) isn't where the mirror used to be, I'm sure it will calm down eventually when people get used to it. With the current mirrors, you are very aware (Well you should be anyway) of where the mirror and the N/S of the bus is
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Post by rif153 on Jun 3, 2020 16:20:29 GMT
Overall I wouldn’t be surprised if they are kept route bound to the 25 & 425. When HTs arrive for the 202 & 405 I wouldn’t be surprised if they are kept route bound because of the Camera Mirrors. I can no longer find the tweet but I'm sure abellio said the 285 MMCs wouldn't go on the 267 for that very reason. Its also been stated that the 270's MMCs will be route bound presumably due to the cameras. Its understandable they take a bit of getting used to and in this transitional phase its not easy for drivers especially if they drive buses with both types of mirror but eventually once camera mirrors become normal it will be an improvement.
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Post by 10121ddo on Jun 3, 2020 19:24:22 GMT
After two months OOS, the first of the 14 SORNed E400s at T has resurfaced, 10114 on the 275!
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Post by busoccultation on Jun 3, 2020 19:36:06 GMT
After two months OOS, the first of the 14 SORNed E400s at T has resurfaced, 10114 on the 275! 10120 has already returned into service on the 275 Yesterday , I'm looking forward of seeing 10121 & 10122 back as those two are reported that they feature the new logos
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