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Post by cl54 on Aug 20, 2024 19:41:00 GMT
The 96 was not allocated hybrids and was operated with a lot of Scanias until recently. The first type in the list is the primary allocation. If you look at the footnotes it says Types that are not officially allocated to the route, but do regularly appear, have a § in the notes column. The last tender award states : Awarded on 2014 Euro VI hybrid double deck vehicles tfl.gov.uk/forms/13796.aspx?btID=1681Not sure how stagecoach have managed to run the route with so many diesel buses over the years. Switched to routes where hybrids were needed. Circumstances change. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 20, 2024 21:20:44 GMT
The last tender award states : Awarded on 2014 Euro VI hybrid double deck vehicles tfl.gov.uk/forms/13796.aspx?btID=1681Not sure how stagecoach have managed to run the route with so many diesel buses over the years. Switched to routes where hybrids were needed. Circumstances change. I thought that was on tenders before this award? I remember routes like the 169 not gaining hybrids but that was sometime ago. What route took the 96 hybrids? |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 20, 2024 23:01:25 GMT
The 96 was not allocated hybrids and was operated with a lot of Scanias until recently. The first type in the list is the primary allocation. If you look at the footnotes it says Types that are not officially allocated to the route, but do regularly appear, have a § in the notes column. I thought the last tender for the 96 was for all hybrids using the ones it was originally meant to get in 2014. You & yunus are correct - it was awarded on the basis of 2014 hybrids for it's current contract. The only reason I remember this is because this isn't the first time the 96 and it's lack of hybrids at times has been questioned. Whilst londonbusroutes is a great guide, some of it's allocations aren't correct and even sometimes, are out of date - that's not me knocking it as it's a fantastic resource. |
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Post by cl54 on Aug 21, 2024 5:47:37 GMT
Switched to routes where hybrids were needed. Circumstances change. I thought that was on tenders before this award? I remember routes like the 169 not gaining hybrids but that was sometime ago. What route took the 96 hybrids? I think they ended up on the 53 in a switch around when non standard buses were sold to Arriva, |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 21, 2024 7:27:51 GMT
I thought that was on tenders before this award? I remember routes like the 169 not gaining hybrids but that was sometime ago. What route took the 96 hybrids? I think they ended up on the 53 in a switch around when non standard buses were sold to Arriva, 13001-13032 were leased… Arriva I believe bought them from the leaser not Stagecoach. |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 21, 2024 7:52:43 GMT
I thought the last tender for the 96 was for all hybrids using the ones it was originally meant to get in 2014. You & yunus are correct - it was awarded on the basis of 2014 hybrids for it's current contract. The only reason I remember this is because this isn't the first time the 96 and it's lack of hybrids at times has been questioned. Whilst londonbusroutes is a great guide, some of it's allocations aren't correct and even sometimes, are out of date - that's not me knocking it as it's a fantastic resource. I seem to remember at the time, that a few Outer London routes had new hybrids ordered against contracts which were then diverted to Inner/Central London routes in an attempt to reduce pollution levels in these areas. A similar situation had occurred a few years previously when new bus orders were diverted to bendybus replacement. , This isn't really happening with the electrics; the main factor here seems to be whether the gararges are ready to operate them or not. They tend to be stored or allocated to other routes temporarily, rather than being diverted. |
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Post by cl54 on Aug 21, 2024 8:33:58 GMT
I think they ended up on the 53 in a switch around when non standard buses were sold to Arriva, 13001-13032 were leased… Arriva I believe bought them from the leaser not Stagecoach. Did I say who sold them? |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 21, 2024 9:15:51 GMT
The 96 was not allocated hybrids and was operated with a lot of Scanias until recently. The first type in the list is the primary allocation. If you look at the footnotes it says Types that are not officially allocated to the route, but do regularly appear, have a § in the notes column. I thought the last tender for the 96 was for all hybrids using the ones it was originally meant to get in 2014. Yes it was, I did post a link earlier in the thread to the official tender award from the TfL site. On a side note it’s a little disappointing my post was ignored in another reply and almost feels like my contributions are being discredited. This was not you but it’s frustrating when two members are credited and it feels petty to the extreme. |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 21, 2024 9:19:55 GMT
13001-13032 were leased… Arriva I believe bought them from the leaser not Stagecoach. Did I say who sold them? No need to be rude… you should be more descriptive instead of defensive… Your post actually makes no sense so I probably misunderstood it. I will make it make sense for you now. 13001-13032 were ordered against the tenders for Routes 54 & 75 and were leased. The ADL Hybrids were ordered for the 96 122 & 472 however the Hybrids were diverted to the 53 at the request of TFL hence why the 96 remained diesel. These Volvos were acquired from the leaser by Arriva which are still in use today… |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 21, 2024 10:11:01 GMT
No need to be rude… you should be more descriptive instead of defensive… Your post actually makes no sense so I probably misunderstood it. I will make it make sense for you now. 13001-13032 were ordered against the tenders for Routes 54 & 75 and were leased. The ADL Hybrids were ordered for the 96 122 & 472 however the Hybrids were diverted to the 53 at the request of TFL hence why the 96 remained diesel. These Volvos were acquired from the leaser by Arriva which are still in use today… I can't recall though why the Volvos didn't go on the 54/75 thou and ended up at PD. |
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Post by mark on Aug 21, 2024 10:38:35 GMT
No need to be rude… you should be more descriptive instead of defensive… Your post actually makes no sense so I probably misunderstood it. I will make it make sense for you now. 13001-13032 were ordered against the tenders for Routes 54 & 75 and were leased. The ADL Hybrids were ordered for the 96 122 & 472 however the Hybrids were diverted to the 53 at the request of TFL hence why the 96 remained diesel. These Volvos were acquired from the leaser by Arriva which are still in use today… I can't recall though why the Volvos didn't go on the 54/75 thou and ended up at PD. Because TfL wanted hybrids on the 53. |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 21, 2024 10:55:25 GMT
I can't recall though why the Volvos didn't go on the 54/75 thou and ended up at PD. Because TfL wanted hybrids on the 53. The same could have been done with 12261-12292 more so the company decided to change the plans. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 21, 2024 11:05:25 GMT
I can't recall though why the Volvos didn't go on the 54/75 thou and ended up at PD. Because TfL wanted hybrids on the 53. I know but the 54/75 in exchange got E40Hs originally intended for the 96 etc. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 21, 2024 11:35:05 GMT
You & yunus are correct - it was awarded on the basis of 2014 hybrids for it's current contract. The only reason I remember this is because this isn't the first time the 96 and it's lack of hybrids at times has been questioned. Whilst londonbusroutes is a great guide, some of it's allocations aren't correct and even sometimes, are out of date - that's not me knocking it as it's a fantastic resource. I seem to remember at the time, that a few Outer London routes had new hybrids ordered against contracts which were then diverted to Inner/Central London routes in an attempt to reduce pollution levels in these areas. A similar situation had occurred a few years previously when new bus orders were diverted to bendybus replacement. , This isn't really happening with the electrics; the main factor here seems to be whether the gararges are ready to operate them or not. They tend to be stored or allocated to other routes temporarily, rather than being diverted. That’s right but this wasn’t the case with the 96’s current contract as they weren’t diverted to Inner or Central London routes which was more of a thing years earlier |
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Post by dace2 on Aug 21, 2024 12:39:40 GMT
Perhaps the 97 could free a few. Were the 30 on the 86 already withdrawn or sent elsewhere? Former 86 fleet as follows 19804-05 to the Sightseeing Tours 19806-808 at HK for D7 19809 & 19829-830 at WH for 241/330/474 19810 & 19812-813, 816, 819 to PD as Scania replacements 19811 & 19814 to LI for 97 19815, 19818-819 & 19823 remaining at NS 19820-19824, 19826-827, 19831-32 in reserve 19825 to TB for 61 Thats the fleet movements of all of them! 96 was allocated with Scannias before they were gone? |
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