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Post by busoccultation on Aug 19, 2024 20:34:40 GMT
Following the disscusion regarding the W13 can anyone confirm the current allocation? LD71YLO (BE37054) mentioned a few shorter buses make up the allocation. How did the route end up with two diffent batches? It started in CT Plus days with a frequency reduction (can't remember which route) leading to 3 or 4 spare 9.7m vehicles becoming available. When CT Plus won the D6 they ordered fewer 10.8m buses than the route required. The balance was made up by allocating the spare 9.7m vehicles to the W13, which is less busy, and transferring a few 10.8m examples to the D6. EDIT: the post above by ADH45258 explains it in better detail! That would be the W11 and also the reroute via Blackhorse Road which the contract in 2017 included the reroute that didn't take place until the end of 2019, which by then HCT decided to acquire ex Metroline E200's that are used on the W19 for its own frequency increase and the extra buses W11 reroute via Blackhorse Road. |
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Post by yunus on Aug 19, 2024 23:19:08 GMT
I am a tad confused about official allocations at PD.
Is the 422 allocated Diesel E400s? If yes it is very odd cos the vast majority of buses on it daily are Hybrids.
The 472 also sees a handful of Diesels but I believe not allocated?
Tbh the route at the garage that has a heavy load of Diesels daily is the 96.
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Post by adl on Aug 19, 2024 23:54:26 GMT
Perhaps the 97 could free a few. Were the 30 on the 86 already withdrawn or sent elsewhere? Former 86 fleet as follows 19804-05 to the Sightseeing Tours 19806-808 at HK for D7 19809 & 19829-830 at WH for 241/330/474 19810 & 19812-813, 816, 819 to PD as Scania replacements 19811 & 19814 to LI for 97 19815, 19818-819 & 19823 remaining at NS 19820-19824, 19826-827, 19831-32 in reserve 19825 to TB for 61 Thats the fleet movements of all of them! 19815 & 23 are actually in reserve fleet, they did one trip on the N365 and N86 respectively and that’s it, other then that they’ve been on rail replacement. 19718-19 are in daily service at NS but are spares likely covering the 294s E400 MMC refurbs |
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Post by vxm on Aug 20, 2024 1:46:47 GMT
I am a tad confused about official allocations at PD. Is the 422 allocated Diesel E400s? If yes it is very odd cos the vast majority of buses on it daily are Hybrids. The 472 also sees a handful of Diesels but I believe not allocated? Tbh the route at the garage that has a heavy load of Diesels daily is the 96. I don’t understand, cos the 96 were supposed to be allocated to hybrids and same with the 472 but I think tones of hybrid are on the rest of them so only like several to dozens on them |
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Post by DW221 on Aug 20, 2024 3:53:45 GMT
Former 86 fleet as follows 19804-05 to the Sightseeing Tours 19806-808 at HK for D7 19809 & 19829-830 at WH for 241/330/474 19810 & 19812-813, 816, 819 to PD as Scania replacements 19811 & 19814 to LI for 97 19815, 19818-819 & 19823 remaining at NS 19820-19824, 19826-827, 19831-32 in reserve 19825 to TB for 61 Thats the fleet movements of all of them! 19815 & 23 are actually in reserve fleet, they did one trip on the N365 and N86 respectively and that’s it, other then that they’ve been on rail replacement. 19718-19 are in daily service at NS but are spares likely covering the 294s E400 MMC refurbs Nothing to do with the SN16s, all of them were refurbished a long time ago by now. Them 2 have had to stay put since theyre clearly still needed thus avoiding a shortage of buses |
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Post by yunus on Aug 20, 2024 11:43:54 GMT
What is the 96 officially allocated?
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 20, 2024 11:54:56 GMT
What is the 96 officially allocated? Not sure the exact numbers but the E40H dating from 2014 should be the official allocation on paper. |
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Post by cl54 on Aug 20, 2024 14:54:19 GMT
What is the 96 officially allocated? The 96 is a mix of diesels and hybrids (including some MMCs) The 422 is also a mix of diesels and hybrids. The 472 should be hybrids. You could answer a lot of your questions by looking at this: londonbusroutes.net/details.htm |
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Post by yunus on Aug 20, 2024 15:52:53 GMT
What is the 96 officially allocated? The 96 is a mix of diesels and hybrids (including some MMCs) The 422 is also a mix of diesels and hybrids. The 472 should be hybrids. You could answer a lot of your questions by looking at this: londonbusroutes.net/details.htmThe last tender award for the 422 stated Diesels & 96 stated Hybrids but obviously that is only on paper. |
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Post by cl54 on Aug 20, 2024 16:42:09 GMT
The 96 is a mix of diesels and hybrids (including some MMCs) The 422 is also a mix of diesels and hybrids. The 472 should be hybrids. You could answer a lot of your questions by looking at this: londonbusroutes.net/details.htmThe last tender award for the 422 stated Diesels & 96 stated Hybrids but obviously that is only on paper. The 96 was not allocated hybrids and was operated with a lot of Scanias until recently. The first type in the list is the primary allocation. If you look at the footnotes it says Types that are not officially allocated to the route, but do regularly appear, have a § in the notes column. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 20, 2024 16:44:36 GMT
The last tender award for the 422 stated Diesels & 96 stated Hybrids but obviously that is only on paper. The 96 was not allocated hybrids and was operated with a lot of Scanias until recently. The first type in the list is the primary allocation. If you look at the footnotes it says Types that are not officially allocated to the route, but do regularly appear, have a § in the notes column. I thought the last tender for the 96 was for all hybrids using the ones it was originally meant to get in 2014. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 20, 2024 16:46:20 GMT
The last tender award for the 422 stated Diesels & 96 stated Hybrids but obviously that is only on paper. The 96 was not allocated hybrids and was operated with a lot of Scanias until recently. The first type in the list is the primary allocation. If you look at the footnotes it says Types that are not officially allocated to the route, but do regularly appear, have a § in the notes column. The last tender award states : Awarded on 2014 Euro VI hybrid double deck vehicles tfl.gov.uk/forms/13796.aspx?btID=1681Not sure how stagecoach have managed to run the route with so many diesel buses over the years. |
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Post by adl on Aug 20, 2024 18:48:30 GMT
Didn’t catch the fleet number but was a YY15OX_ was outside its old stomping ground at NS. Wonder what it’s doing here. The only thing I can think of is that RM keep back a handful of 67 reg for the 499 and send off the 499s fleet and a couple of the 165s but if I’m not mistaken the 499s batch are 10.5m whereas the 165s are 10.9m.
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Post by RM1_Enthusiast on Aug 20, 2024 19:09:26 GMT
Didn’t catch the fleet number but was a YY15OX_ was outside its old stomping ground at NS. Wonder what it’s doing here. The only thing I can think of is that RM keep back a handful of 67 reg for the 499 and send off the 499s fleet and a couple of the 165s but if I’m not mistaken the 499s batch are 10.5m whereas the 165s are 10.9m. The 499 MMC’s tend to rest at NS at this time of the evening sometimes, idk why they rest there before going back in service later in the evening! |
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Post by adl on Aug 20, 2024 19:12:19 GMT
Didn’t catch the fleet number but was a YY15OX_ was outside its old stomping ground at NS. Wonder what it’s doing here. The only thing I can think of is that RM keep back a handful of 67 reg for the 499 and send off the 499s fleet and a couple of the 165s but if I’m not mistaken the 499s batch are 10.5m whereas the 165s are 10.9m. The 499 MMC’s tend to rest at NS at this time of the evening sometimes, idk why they rest there before going back in service later in the evening! Ah Okie, it’s joined by 36601. |
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