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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 7, 2024 10:44:50 GMT
While, W14 has updated announcements, the W12 and W13 have not! Both still announce: W12 to Wanstead is meant to be W12 to Woodford Bridge W13 to Leytonstone is meant to be W13 to Leyton Asda Interesting! It's quite confusing as the W13 extension from Leytonstone to Leyton Mills and the whole W14 route has no live departures. Also the W12/W13 hasn't been updated on iBus so the wrong/old destinations are shown on live countdown and it's all a bit of a mess. It doesn't help that on the TfL website the information for each route haven't been updated although there is a page with a list of changes that you can search for. I think there should at least be a status alert on each of the affected routes. There is information displayed on bus stops with a confusing map showing the old and new routes all overlayed on each over. What happened earlier this week has had a significant effect on the IT systems at TfL- I'm sure they will he updated correctly as and when the situation is resolved. No ideal, but it's highly likely some of it is currently outside of TfLs control
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Post by WH241 on Sept 7, 2024 10:52:32 GMT
The W13 appears to be using the old W14 buses. I had expected this to happen but curious to what will happen to the former MMC allocation at HK in the short term? If TfL had coordinated the changes better there could have been less moves of buses for the 310.
I was out early this morning and happened to pass Broadmead Estate bus stop which had what appears to be a large number of passengers waiting for the W12! This might be normal but could have been first day teething issues / drivers getting used to the route.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 7, 2024 11:20:29 GMT
In terms of that video though, I do think in the last 5 years or so this enthusiast behaviour thing has gotten worse. I mean depot days in particular have been wild as hell. Obvs I won’t deny that me and some friends had been cheeky back in the 2016-2018 run of events (sneaking on to chill on the commercial LDP at SW) but we never really made any fuss or threw a tantrum! Held our hands up and didn’t try again when caught. PB was always fun chilling on some decommed TA’s/VPL’s and TE’s to sit and have bite of a packed lunch from lidl 😅 or just nosy about the cab or engine bay and just self learn things (maybe a cheeky turn on of the electrics). That period I feel we all sorta had respect to the point the events kinda ran themselves. All the people I knew mainly used it to socialise more with each other than fantasise over the buses.
Now organisers/companies have to watch out and probs make larger risk assessments than needed cause parents of these youngers have no idea on how to teach these kids to suppress the very hyperactive / out of control feralness difficulties these kids obvs have. So they come to these events starting fights with eachother or using the buses on show as play toys. Like, the whole opening and closing door thing… knew about it via discord and only witnessed in person at the MB open day. In terms of the first / last days, remember with a friend the first instance of the racing for visuals was the 301 and that was just one kid. He pushed right infront of us just to be the only one wanting to do the visual, like calm down? After that yeah I noticed it just got progressively worse and so don’t do much with buses unless visiting a friend on shift and he wanted a photo. So do hope these kids sort themselves out one way or another cause I fear if this behaviour continues, these fun and sociable events won’t. This was NOT cool at all. It is bad enough to trespass, but then to be switching on electrics etc. it could have gone wrong. This then also cost the company with security arrangements having to be changed and made things worse for other enthusiasts. Even worst was videos of this behaviour was put on You Tube.
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Post by adl on Sept 7, 2024 12:03:50 GMT
The W13 appears to be using the old W14 buses. I had expected this to happen but curious to what will happen to the former MMC allocation at HK in the short term? If TfL had coordinated the changes better there could have been less moves of buses for the 310. I was out early this morning and happened to pass Broadmead Estate bus stop which had what appears to be a large number of passengers waiting for the W12! This might be normal but could have been first day teething issues / drivers getting used to the route. Current the 310/D6 take up all of the MMcs at HK.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 7, 2024 12:11:58 GMT
The W13 appears to be using the old W14 buses. I had expected this to happen but curious to what will happen to the former MMC allocation at HK in the short term? If TfL had coordinated the changes better there could have been less moves of buses for the 310. I was out early this morning and happened to pass Broadmead Estate bus stop which had what appears to be a large number of passengers waiting for the W12! This might be normal but could have been first day teething issues / drivers getting used to the route. Current the 310/D6 take up all of the MMcs at HK. But last week they managed to also provide buses for the W13 using MMCs? They must have a small surplus now?
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Post by TB123 on Sept 7, 2024 13:03:04 GMT
It's interesting the W12 is receiving 8.5m buses as it's permanent allocation when it is cleared for using 9.6m fleet - it makes me wonder if slightly longer buses may be ordered against another route coming up for tender, like the 124, with a corresponding swap in allocation...unless the average 5-person difference in capacity between the two types and dwell time difference is not judged as a big issue.
Looking forward to riding the E100EVs nonetheless - a small bus for TfL journeys of up to 1hr40 will be an interesting ride!
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 7, 2024 18:44:33 GMT
It's interesting the W12 is receiving 8.5m buses as it's permanent allocation when it is cleared for using 9.6m fleet - it makes me wonder if slightly longer buses may be ordered against another route coming up for tender, like the 124, with a corresponding swap in allocation...unless the average 5-person difference in capacity between the two types and dwell time difference is not judged as a big issue. Looking forward to riding the E100EVs nonetheless - a small bus for TfL journeys of up to 1hr40 will be an interesting ride! Which route will get them first? W12 or 299/389/399? (I know the second option is unrelated to the thread)
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 7, 2024 18:50:34 GMT
It's interesting the W12 is receiving 8.5m buses as it's permanent allocation when it is cleared for using 9.6m fleet - it makes me wonder if slightly longer buses may be ordered against another route coming up for tender, like the 124, with a corresponding swap in allocation...unless the average 5-person difference in capacity between the two types and dwell time difference is not judged as a big issue. Looking forward to riding the E100EVs nonetheless - a small bus for TfL journeys of up to 1hr40 will be an interesting ride! Which route will get them first? W12 or 299/389/399? (I know the second option is unrelated to the thread) Can't imagine the 299/389/399 will be downgraded to diddy SDs.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 7, 2024 19:25:10 GMT
Do the ex route 165 MMC only have blind inserts for the 310? they appear to be route bound.
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Post by andyc on Sept 7, 2024 19:44:18 GMT
Do the ex route 165 MMC only have blind inserts for the 310? they appear to be route bound. It is a full RM & HK set, so not route bound - However only a few other buses have been fitted at HK so they will keep these buses on there mostly to ensure that blinded buses are used.
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Post by BK15AZR on Sept 7, 2024 20:13:28 GMT
Current the 310/D6 take up all of the MMcs at HK. But last week they managed to also provide buses for the W13 using MMCs? They must have a small surplus now? Think 37765-37771 were allocated to the W13 and they were re-blinded with the 310 blinds added. 2-3 of the batch have been used on the 310 daily over the last week while the rest have been noted on the D6 - I believe that will continue to be the arrangement in the near future. I'm not sure if they're sufficient for both routes to be honest as there were notably a couple of workings of 9.7m MMC on the D6 over the past week - these were rather rare before and think they would struggle on the D6 as it's quite a busy route. HK had a spare E200 (36292) before but I just realise it's also transferred over to AW - will see how HK is coping with the remaining 10.9m MMCs, though the D6 can take DDs anyway.
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Post by andyc on Sept 7, 2024 20:17:31 GMT
But last week they managed to also provide buses for the W13 using MMCs? They must have a small surplus now? Think 37765-37771 were allocated to the W13 and they were re-blinded with the 310 blinds added. 2-3 of the batch have been used on the 310 daily over the last week while the rest have been noted on the D6 - I believe that will continue to be the arrangement in the near future. I'm not sure if they're sufficient for both routes to be honest as there were notably a couple of workings of 9.7m MMC on the D6 over the past week - these were rather rare before and think they would struggle on the D6 as it's quite a busy route. HK had a spare E200 (36292) before but I just realise it's also transferred over to AW - will see how HK is coping with the remaining 10.9m MMCs, though the D6 can take DDs anyway. 4 spare 10.8m for a PVR of 22 is more than sufficient…
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 7, 2024 21:12:15 GMT
Which route will get them first? W12 or 299/389/399? (I know the second option is unrelated to the thread) Can't imagine the 299/389/399 will be downgraded to diddy SDs. The 389 and 399 will probably get the E100EVs. I would've put the 299 down for the 400EVs but ADL have stopped producing them so it will be interesting to see what it gets
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Post by atb123 on Sept 7, 2024 22:09:52 GMT
66030 already out on W14
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Post by vjaska on Sept 7, 2024 22:33:39 GMT
Can't imagine the 299/389/399 will be downgraded to diddy SDs. The 389 and 399 will probably get the E100EVs. I would've put the 299 down for the 400EVs but ADL have stopped producing them so it will be interesting to see what it gets The 389 & 399 will get whatever buses the 299 gets as the 389/399 works off the 299. Under First & Go-Ahead (1st spell) this was with DM's/SEN's, under Sullivans it was with SL's and now under the 2nd Go-Ahead spell it's SE's. The 299 & 389/399 will likely receive electrics between 9.5m & 10.2m length. The routes have been tendered for single deckers so Enviro 400 EV's won't be an option regardless of BYD's models still in production or not.
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