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Post by TB123 on Sept 9, 2024 14:31:19 GMT
Thats true although they probably had it into at least some consideration. Combinding that with TFLs love for change for change sake… I cannot speak for the 549/W14 change but the W12 change is not change for change sake to me, it tracks with previous Waltham Forest Development Papers to improve frequency to Coppermill Lane. It also partially fulfills improvement previously suggested on the Leytonstone Station-Whipps Cross Hospital corridor, which was proposed back Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park consultation by way of a 339 extension to Whipps Cross. I hate to say it, but based on the objectives sent it's hard to see what else could have been done. I see the W12 proving a very popular route and warranting going to headway operation as well as bigger single decks. Hopefully scope for the W14 to run more often in time too
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Post by WH241 on Sept 9, 2024 14:43:55 GMT
I cannot speak for the 549/W14 change but the W12 change is not change for change sake to me, it tracks with previous Waltham Forest Development Papers to improve frequency to Coppermill Lane. It also partially fulfills improvement previously suggested on the Leytonstone Station-Whipps Cross Hospital corridor, which was proposed back Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park consultation by way of a 339 extension to Whipps Cross. I hate to say it, but based on the objectives sent it's hard to see what else could have been done. I see the W12 proving a very popular route and warranting going to headway operation as well as bigger single decks. Hopefully scope for the W14 to run more often in time too So you are happy with sections of Wanstead going from a bus every 20 mins to every hour? I bet there was some very frustrated passengers this morning when they realised what’s happened to their local route. There is hardly any scope for the larger buses on the W12 and the rest of the well established route (old W14) is left to suffer at the expense of the Walthamstow end. The new W14 won’t justify an hour increase it will just plod along carrying minimal passengers like the 549 did. Passengers in Wanstead might as well catch the W12 via Leytonstone if heading to the hospital. The new W14 only runs the way it does to maintain a bus along Snaresbrook Road and they couldn’t even be bothered to try and run the routes into the hospital.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 9, 2024 14:55:49 GMT
I hate to say it, but based on the objectives sent it's hard to see what else could have been done. I see the W12 proving a very popular route and warranting going to headway operation as well as bigger single decks. Hopefully scope for the W14 to run more often in time too So you are happy with sections of Wanstead going from a bus every 20 mins to every hour? I bet there was some very frustrated passengers this morning when they realised what’s happened to their local route. There is hardly any scope for the larger buses on the W12 and the rest of the well established route (old W14) is left to suffer at the expense of the Walthamstow end. The new W14 won’t justify an hour increase it will just plod along carrying minimal passengers like the 549 did. Passengers in Wanstead might as well catch the W12 via Leytonstone if heading to the hospital. The new W14 only runs the way it does to maintain a bus along Snaresbrook Road and they couldn’t even be bothered to try and run the routes into the hospital. Like you've just said, passengers can go and get the W12 surely?
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Post by VMH2537 on Sept 9, 2024 16:40:16 GMT
I cannot speak for the 549/W14 change but the W12 change is not change for change sake to me, it tracks with previous Waltham Forest Development Papers to improve frequency to Coppermill Lane. It also partially fulfills improvement previously suggested on the Leytonstone Station-Whipps Cross Hospital corridor, which was proposed back Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park consultation by way of a 339 extension to Whipps Cross. I hate to say it, but based on the objectives sent it's hard to see what else could have been done. I see the W12 proving a very popular route and warranting going to headway operation as well as bigger single decks. Hopefully scope for the W14 to run more often in time too The question should be more like, why did TfL have to all of a sudden break the direct Whipps Cross links from South Woodford alongside Nightingale Lane having services sliced in half? Wouldn't it have been simpler for TfL to just extend the former W13 to Whipps Cross from Leytonstone or even considering swapping terminals of the W12/W19 at Coppermill Lane? It's incredibly weird for such as proposal to be advertised for 'ULEZ improvements' to fail on delivering the basics on what drives a bus service. Out of all of this, TfL has alot of explaining to do.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 9, 2024 16:53:35 GMT
86188e was out on W13 on the early peak hours, nice to see MCV electrics on time on the route. Was this in place of the school double decker working? Not sure if all schools are back but shouldn't there have been a double decker in the AM and PM? I believe LI buses are blinded for the W13.
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 9, 2024 17:16:51 GMT
86188e was out on W13 on the early peak hours, nice to see MCV electrics on time on the route. Was this in place of the school double decker working? Not sure if all schools are back but shouldn't there have been a double decker in the AM and PM? I believe LI buses are blinded for the W13. There has been a MF double-deck working on the W13 for some years now. It used to do (probably still does) the am and pm schoolday extras, plus a rounder in the evening peak.
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Post by mondraker275 on Sept 9, 2024 17:26:17 GMT
10.2 on W12, would be interesting to see, the longest bus the route has had 😂 It was not on the route for long by the looks of it. It was previously mentioned that up to 9.7 will be covering the route so this is a surprise. I cant seem to check if it went to Coppermill Lane. Anyway, the bus I took the other day was driving very carefully in the area with several parked cars making the turns harder. Oddly, we smacked a kerb on a bend near Palmerston Road, which is fine of long buses, so I put that down to a driver used to the short solos. I always wonder how drivers transition from bus types and even from driving their car to a bus.
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 9, 2024 17:28:19 GMT
I hate to say it, but based on the objectives sent it's hard to see what else could have been done. I see the W12 proving a very popular route and warranting going to headway operation as well as bigger single decks. Hopefully scope for the W14 to run more often in time too The question should be more like, why did TfL have to all of a sudden break the direct Whipps Cross links from South Woodford alongside Nightingale Lane having services sliced in half? Wouldn't it have been simpler for TfL to just extend the former W13 to Whipps Cross from Leytonstone or even considering swapping terminals of the W12/W19 at Coppermill Lane? It's incredibly weird for such as proposal to be advertised for 'ULEZ improvements' to fail on delivering the basics on what drives a bus service. Out of all of this, TfL has alot of explaining to do. There was a consultation, you could have raised all these questions then.
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Post by andyc on Sept 9, 2024 18:37:58 GMT
86188e was out on W13 on the early peak hours, nice to see MCV electrics on time on the route. Was this in place of the school double decker working? Not sure if all schools are back but shouldn't there have been a double decker in the AM and PM? I believe LI buses are blinded for the W13. It was the scheduled school double deck working being operated by the scheduled BZL EV…
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Post by WH241 on Sept 9, 2024 19:09:05 GMT
Was this in place of the school double decker working? Not sure if all schools are back but shouldn't there have been a double decker in the AM and PM? I believe LI buses are blinded for the W13. It was the scheduled school double deck working being operated by the scheduled BZL EV… I am so sorry I really wasn't thinking! I read the post quickly and had assumed it was a single decker from the 276 batch as one of them was out on the W14 on the first day.
More haste less speed next time from me.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 9, 2024 19:17:57 GMT
The question should be more like, why did TfL have to all of a sudden break the direct Whipps Cross links from South Woodford alongside Nightingale Lane having services sliced in half? Wouldn't it have been simpler for TfL to just extend the former W13 to Whipps Cross from Leytonstone or even considering swapping terminals of the W12/W19 at Coppermill Lane? It's incredibly weird for such as proposal to be advertised for 'ULEZ improvements' to fail on delivering the basics on what drives a bus service. Out of all of this, TfL has alot of explaining to do. There was a consultation, you could have raised all these questions then. I think many people did, however as usual it went on deaf ears. Consultations are merely a smoke screen and sugar coating way to make you think they give a s##t in reality it is a middle finger and saying we are going to be doing what we intend on a certain date whether you like it or not.
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Post by borneobus on Sept 9, 2024 19:35:01 GMT
There was a consultation, you could have raised all these questions then. I think many people did, however as usual it went on deaf ears. Consultations are merely a smoke screen and sugar coating way to make you think they give a s##t in reality it is a middle finger and saying we are going to be doing what we intend on a certain date whether you like it or not. That wasn't the case in the Hillingdon consultation.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 9, 2024 19:56:49 GMT
I think many people did, however as usual it went on deaf ears. Consultations are merely a smoke screen and sugar coating way to make you think they give a s##t in reality it is a middle finger and saying we are going to be doing what we intend on a certain date whether you like it or not. That wasn't the case in the Hillingdon consultation. Or with the R routes.
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Post by mrhk on Sept 9, 2024 19:59:42 GMT
That wasn't the case in the Hillingdon consultation. Or with the r routes. Or the N518
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Post by routew15 on Sept 9, 2024 20:43:16 GMT
I hate to say it, but based on the objectives sent it's hard to see what else could have been done. I see the W12 proving a very popular route and warranting going to headway operation as well as bigger single decks. Hopefully scope for the W14 to run more often in time too The question should be more like, why did TfL have to all of a sudden break the direct Whipps Cross links from South Woodford alongside Nightingale Lane having services sliced in half? Wouldn't it have been simpler for TfL to just extend the former W13 to Whipps Cross from Leytonstone or even considering swapping terminals of the W12/W19 at Coppermill Lane? It's incredibly weird for such as proposal to be advertised for 'ULEZ improvements' to fail on delivering the basics on what drives a bus service. Out of all of this, TfL has alot of explaining to do. The Development papers vetoed a swap of the W12 and W19 as it would result in a low frequency down to Argall Avenue. The W13 to Whipps Cross would be ok but it has less through journey opportunities than the new W12. It would likely end the DD workings on the route also due to the low bridge on the Hospital grounds. An idea that came to mind over the weekend was combining the 549/385 which are of similar very low frequencies (90 mins and 70 mins respectively) non-stop along the A406. The a new W route Whipps Cross Hospital - Wanstead via the old W12 and maybe onwards to Leytonstone Harrow Green (via Harrow Road)
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