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Post by vjaska on Sept 9, 2024 21:03:51 GMT
That wasn't the case in the Hillingdon consultation. Or with the R routes. The R Routes it partially was - whilst most of the changes was overturned, the R6 & B14 change wasn't and the lengthy B14 is set to increase a little bit more in length as a result. The U routes consultation has been one of those rare exceptions to the rule where everything was overturned and left as is.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 9, 2024 21:17:12 GMT
I think many people did, however as usual it went on deaf ears. Consultations are merely a smoke screen and sugar coating way to make you think they give a s##t in reality it is a middle finger and saying we are going to be doing what we intend on a certain date whether you like it or not. That wasn't the case in the Hillingdon consultation. Only because that was down to Boris...
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 9, 2024 22:52:59 GMT
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Post by yunus on Sept 9, 2024 22:58:32 GMT
Thanks a millions for this. Just skimmed thru, it would certainly be interesting if it becomes a full EV garage.
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Post by va59 on Sept 9, 2024 23:15:12 GMT
It’s stayed out as well I wonder if 10.2’m are cleared for the route as well. Saw a few 9.6m E200s quite full over the weekend so I imagine the 8.7m E100s may struggle with capacity if 9.6s are filling up. If the W12 continues to load well with its 9.6’a over the next few months it should make TfL consider of 8.5’s are really appropriate (the new E100 is 8.5 not 8.7, even worse!😨) Shock. The route is longer in miles wise than the 275 that meets it at Woodford Bridge and Walthamstow and arguably the W12 goes through busier areas than the 275 does. Yet the 275 is decked and the W12 get the smallest single decks on the market. I'm not suggesting in any way the W12 should be decked but it should have much longer length single decks ordered for it, the fact it at Coppermill Lane was redesigned to take longer buses yet still had the smallest buses ordered for beggars belief. Joke.
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Post by va59 on Sept 9, 2024 23:29:09 GMT
The question should be more like, why did TfL have to all of a sudden break the direct Whipps Cross links from South Woodford alongside Nightingale Lane having services sliced in half? Wouldn't it have been simpler for TfL to just extend the former W13 to Whipps Cross from Leytonstone or even considering swapping terminals of the W12/W19 at Coppermill Lane? It's incredibly weird for such as proposal to be advertised for 'ULEZ improvements' to fail on delivering the basics on what drives a bus service. Out of all of this, TfL has alot of explaining to do. There was a consultation, you could have raised all these questions then. What, and that would have changed anything? Consultations are pointless in the main, it's a legal requirement to put them out, irrespective of arguments, it remains the fact that changes go ahead regardless.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 10, 2024 0:48:08 GMT
There was a consultation, you could have raised all these questions then. What, and that would have changed anything? Consultations are pointless in the main, it's a legal requirement to put them out, irrespective of arguments, it remains the fact that changes go ahead regardless. Whilst most do go that way (as I expect the 45, 59, 118 one in my area to do so), some have actually not followed through with the changes - recently, the Uxbridge one had almost every proposal completely scrapped and the majority of the recent Orpington one met a similar fate. Regardless, sadly TfL are still evidently in cut mode and are only interested in finances and not the needs of passengers
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 10, 2024 7:11:58 GMT
There was a consultation, you could have raised all these questions then. What, and that would have changed anything? Consultations are pointless in the main, it's a legal requirement to put them out, irrespective of arguments, it remains the fact that changes go ahead regardless. It might not have changed anything, but it would have made TfL justify why particular changes were made - or not made - which I what I thought the poster I replied to was asking for; explanations from TfL.
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Post by borneobus on Sept 10, 2024 7:50:00 GMT
That wasn't the case in the Hillingdon consultation. Only because that was down to Boris... I would question that as: 09JUN23 - Boris Johnson resigned as MP 21DEC23 - Consultation Closed 12JUN24 - TfL Announcement "Not to proceed with changes"
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Post by danorak on Sept 10, 2024 10:08:04 GMT
Despite its troubled operational history I've always rather liked Ash Grove. I think it's quite stylish architecturally and it would be a shame to lose it. Certainly none of the photos in those documents do it justice.
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Post by DW221 on Sept 10, 2024 11:08:10 GMT
Optare Solo 47916 has been kept as an engineering spare for 385s & W5s
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Post by atb123 on Sept 10, 2024 11:28:23 GMT
Optare Solo 47916 has been kept as an engineering spare for 385s & W5s It will be interesting to see if Stagecoach actually keep the solos once the W9 goes in a few days time, these are the last classic solos in London.
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Post by DW221 on Sept 10, 2024 11:44:17 GMT
Optare Solo 47916 has been kept as an engineering spare for 385s & W5s It will be interesting to see if Stagecoach actually keep the solos once the W9 goes in a few days time, these are the last classic solos in London. The solos on the W9 are due for withdrawal once the route passes to Metroline in 11 days time
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Post by WH241 on Sept 10, 2024 12:02:53 GMT
It will be interesting to see if Stagecoach actually keep the solos once the W9 goes in a few days time, these are the last classic solos in London. The solos on the W9 are due for withdrawal once the route passes to Metroline in 11 days time Which makes you wonder why they have kept the one example from the W12. I wonder if it’s just short term? Maybe it will go once other buses become spare.
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Post by DW221 on Sept 10, 2024 12:10:33 GMT
The solos on the W9 are due for withdrawal once the route passes to Metroline in 11 days time Which makes you wonder why they have kept the one example from the W12. I wonder if it’s just short term? Maybe it will go once other buses become spare. I doubt It’ll last that long yeah. Time will tell
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