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Post by adl on Sept 25, 2024 14:59:29 GMT
37521 broken down at Bethell Avenue on route 296.
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Post by DW221 on Sept 25, 2024 15:24:06 GMT
179 runs from BK not T. The 179 does see occasional hybrids from BK. I do think you are overplaying the 275 and majority hybrid allocation. Most days it’s a handful. The priority at T is the 56 needing a full hybrid allocation. You might see strays now there are hybrids for the 20 but that’s about it. Trust me most days it is more than just a handful. As I said on the ranting thread there was literally 5 x Hybrids in a row so. In fact there has been a 100% Hybrid run out at night not so long ago. I am assuming other garages allocate the buses differently? If I am not mistaken at BK the 145 is the route allocated Hybrids but personally I have only seen one with my own eyes on the 179 since transferred to BK. Sometimes it can feel weird adapting to all these changes. Not really anything has changed haha just typically T intermixing all their allocations together. So at this point 275 can use anything in the garage. 257 isnt any different and even all T hybrids stray on 55/56. Makes sense as its easier to manage the daily run out probably. On another note with T now having a larger pool of buses with the 20s coming in I would think most diesel strays on 55/56 would now be prevented. |
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Post by MMS2001 on Sept 25, 2024 16:27:16 GMT
84163 has transferred from PD to TL
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Post by WH241 on Sept 25, 2024 16:49:56 GMT
66036 was used on the 488 yesterday! There are photos on the usual FB groups.
I am surprised LI can have flexibility to use these electrics in the late evening on routes like this and W13 / W14 as I would assume they need charging for the morning run out.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 25, 2024 19:10:15 GMT
Trust me most days it is more than just a handful. As I said on the ranting thread there was literally 5 x Hybrids in a row so. In fact there has been a 100% Hybrid run out at night not so long ago. I am assuming other garages allocate the buses differently? If I am not mistaken at BK the 145 is the route allocated Hybrids but personally I have only seen one with my own eyes on the 179 since transferred to BK. Sometimes it can feel weird adapting to all these changes. Not really anything has changed haha just typically T intermixing all their allocations together. So at this point 275 can use anything in the garage. 257 isnt any different and even all T hybrids stray on 55/56. Makes sense as its easier to manage the daily run out probably. On another note with T now having a larger pool of buses with the 20s coming in I would think most diesel strays on 55/56 would now be prevented. I do find it funny how certain garages are really good at run outs. For example you in general see Smart Hybrids on the 25,425 and Classic E400 Hybrids on the 205 at BW and its not just random mix across the 3 routes.. The same at HK with the Smarts and Cities and finally at WH when they had Smarts for the full allocation on the 241,330 and 474 and E400 MMC Hybrids for the 277 and finally E400s for the 238. Just to be clear I am talking the majority allocation not the odd strays you get day to day.
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 25, 2024 19:38:25 GMT
Not really anything has changed haha just typically T intermixing all their allocations together. So at this point 275 can use anything in the garage. 257 isnt any different and even all T hybrids stray on 55/56. Makes sense as it’s easier to manage the daily run out probably. On another note with T now having a larger pool of buses with the 20s coming in I would think most diesel strays on 55/56 would now be prevented. I do find it funny how certain garages are really good at run outs. For example you in general see Smart Hybrids on the 25,425 and Classic E400 Hybrids on the 205 at BW and its not just random mix across the 3 routes.. The same at HK with the Smarts and Cities and finally at WH when they had Smarts for the full allocation on the 241,330 and 474 and E400 MMC Hybrids for the 277 and finally E400s for the 238. Just to be clear I am talking the majority allocation not the odd strays you get day to day.
I always find it interesting how the 14-reg E400 never go on the 25, they are blinded. Probably type training |
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Post by DW221 on Sept 25, 2024 19:40:53 GMT
Not really anything has changed haha just typically T intermixing all their allocations together. So at this point 275 can use anything in the garage. 257 isnt any different and even all T hybrids stray on 55/56. Makes sense as its easier to manage the daily run out probably. On another note with T now having a larger pool of buses with the 20s coming in I would think most diesel strays on 55/56 would now be prevented. I do find it funny how certain garages are really good at run outs. For example you in general see Smart Hybrids on the 25,425 and Classic E400 Hybrids on the 205 at BW and its not just random mix across the 3 routes.. The same at HK with the Smarts and Cities and finally at WH when they had Smarts for the full allocation on the 241,330 and 474 and E400 MMC Hybrids for the 277 and finally E400s for the 238. Just to be clear I am talking the majority allocation not the odd strays you get day to day.
yeah E400Hs used to quite common on 25/425. Not like theyre rare or anything but they certainly dont happen as much as they used to, surprised BW manage |
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Post by adl on Sept 25, 2024 21:10:58 GMT
10132 doing the honours of the late trip on route 296 tonight. Shame they aren’t used more in the peaks, I was on a potentially dangerously filled E200 on the 296 earlier with the driver struggling to shut the front doors and a lot of them didn’t alight until Marks Gate & Romford, bus was full from Ilford. Noticed the same/similar from buses going towards Ilford. Not a regular user of the 296 but what are its loadings like in the off peak at the Ilford end, from observation they leave Romford pretty well used.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 25, 2024 21:20:20 GMT
10132 doing the honours of the late trip on route 296 tonight. Shame they aren’t used more in the peaks, I was on a potentially dangerously filled E200 on the 296 earlier with the driver struggling to shut the front doors and a lot of them didn’t alight until Marks Gate & Romford, bus was full from Ilford. Noticed the same/similar from buses going towards Ilford. Not a regular user of the 296 but what are its loadings like in the off peak at the Ilford end, from observation they leave Romford pretty well used. Please don’t take offence but I can’t help but feel you are really overplaying this single decker overloading now. The 296 has had single deckers for years now and you seem on a campaign to rid all single decker routes from Romford. I am expecting you to be potentially very disappointed if the 165 reverts to single decker on tender renewal. |
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Post by adl on Sept 25, 2024 21:23:18 GMT
10132 doing the honours of the late trip on route 296 tonight. Shame they aren’t used more in the peaks, I was on a potentially dangerously filled E200 on the 296 earlier with the driver struggling to shut the front doors and a lot of them didn’t alight until Marks Gate & Romford, bus was full from Ilford. Noticed the same/similar from buses going towards Ilford. Not a regular user of the 296 but what are its loadings like in the off peak at the Ilford end, from observation they leave Romford pretty well used. Please don’t take offence but I can’t help but feel you are really overplaying this single decker overloading now. The 296 has had single deckers for years now and you seem on a campaign to rid all single decker routes from Romford. I am expecting you to be potentially very disappointed if the 165 reverts to single decker on tender renewal. I’ll just stop posting my observations, I did include the fact I do not use the 296 regularly. The 165 as I said I won’t stop taking things further until it’s a permanent change, I’m very set on that as the route justifies double decks. I didn’t expect to be slammed for asking a simple question on a route I’m not familiar with!! But nowadays people can’t ask a question without being made to look the forum clown. This is exactly the reason I simply observed the forum until a few months ago. But hey as long as you get a kick out of it. EDIT: Just to clarify, I never once said about a full conversion to double decker, I queried what it was like on the off peak and simply said it MAY be a good idea to use any spares NS have on it on the peak. |
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Post by DW221 on Sept 25, 2024 21:44:46 GMT
10132 doing the honours of the late trip on route 296 tonight. Shame they aren’t used more in the peaks, I was on a potentially dangerously filled E200 on the 296 earlier with the driver struggling to shut the front doors and a lot of them didn’t alight until Marks Gate & Romford, bus was full from Ilford. Noticed the same/similar from buses going towards Ilford. Not a regular user of the 296 but what are its loadings like in the off peak at the Ilford end, from observation they leave Romford pretty well used. Please don’t take offence but I can’t help but feel you are really overplaying this single decker overloading now. The 296 has had single deckers for years now and you seem on a campaign to rid all single decker routes from Romford. I am expecting you to be potentially very disappointed if the 165 reverts to single decker on tender renewal. Yeah agreed I think 165 warrants DDs but 296 certainly does NOT. 296 gets busy in the peaks sure but all trips past say 7pm and before mid day arent well loaded at all. I think a couple DDs for the school trips would suffice for the route though, a bit like how 499 has a DD trip in the morning. |
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Post by adl on Sept 25, 2024 21:48:13 GMT
Please don’t take offence but I can’t help but feel you are really overplaying this single decker overloading now. The 296 has had single deckers for years now and you seem on a campaign to rid all single decker routes from Romford. I am expecting you to be potentially very disappointed if the 165 reverts to single decker on tender renewal. Yeah agreed I think 165 warrants DDs but 296 certainly does NOT. 296 gets busy in the peaks sure but all trips past say 7pm and before mid day arent well loaded at all. I think a couple DDs for the school trips would suffice for the route though, a bit like how 499 has a DD trip in the morning. Thanks for the information, I was more suggesting a peak styled school trip opposed to a full allocation of the peaks were always like what I saw today. Thanks for your polite response. |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 25, 2024 22:00:18 GMT
Yeah agreed I think 165 warrants DDs but 296 certainly does NOT. 296 gets busy in the peaks sure but all trips past say 7pm and before mid day arent well loaded at all. I think a couple DDs for the school trips would suffice for the route though, a bit like how 499 has a DD trip in the morning. Thanks for the information, I was more suggesting a peak styled school trip opposed to a full allocation of the peaks were always like what I saw today. Thanks for your polite response. For the record I was not rude or impolite. I did actually make a post about rude and aggressive posts in another thread (Forum Niggles) so certainly wouldn’t set out to be rude. I was just stating how your posts are coming across with a theme. |
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Post by adl on Sept 25, 2024 22:09:45 GMT
Thanks for the information, I was more suggesting a peak styled school trip opposed to a full allocation of the peaks were always like what I saw today. Thanks for your polite response. For the record I was not rude or impolite. I did actually make a post about rude and aggressive posts in another thread (Forum Niggles) so certainly wouldn’t set out to be rude. I was just stating how your posts are coming across with a theme. The 165 absolutely it’s no secret I am seeking its conversion to be permanent opposed to temporary. The 296 however I had to use today which is a route is never use and have no reason to normally use which just so happens to be a Single Deckk route on which I encountered a extremely busy E200 which evidently was over capacity, so thought I’d ask here to see what the route is like on a day to day basis as I do not use the route if it’s like I saw on the peak then maybe the route should have some sort of school styled trips if not then it’s not really neede, I also do comment a lot on the 365 being a regular user of the 165 and 365 mainly so not all just single deckers talk, but I felt your response was very closed minded, you had made your mind up that I was some sort of ‘anti single deck’ campaigner and the response itself can across quite rude. On the whole I feel like generally speaking people could act a bit kinder towards each other having a little more understanding but it feels people are out to either one up or bring down someone. For a community that all share the same interest things should be a lot more civil then they are there are going to be differing opinions but respectful responses to a disagreement certainly could be worded much nicer. Personally I hate ‘fed up’ styled responses for something that could’ve been for insightful and letting me know actually the 296 is not that busy and only is busy between X and Y or it being busy today was not the norm opposed to pointing the finger and accusing me of being this and that. |
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Post by Leccy86Hybrid on Sept 26, 2024 2:09:46 GMT
Was helping out RM today on the 496. It’s definitely one of those routes which might benefit from an extra bus at school peaks and all evenings until about 8-8:30pm. For a low frequency it’s quite tightly timed. After 8:30 it’s ok timed but might need a few minor tweaks but after 9:30 it’s perfect.
I saw some people mention the 296 and in my opinion from a drivers point of view, The 362**’s LX11’s are 2 short for the route. The LX13’s and the YX68’s are the perfect length and the YX68’s especially can provide more space for standees as less seats thanks to the bigger wheelchair area. A full allocation of the YX68’s would be perfect for the route.
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