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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 3, 2024 22:43:11 GMT
Whilst that may be true, considering Stagecoach have at least recognised the 165 as a route that needs the extra decker capacity this feedback could go to TFL with TFL specifying DDs. But yes time will tell. The conversion to decker is more down to needing the single deckers elsewhere, rather than recognising the route needs deckers. I am still yet to see a ram packed 165 decker. Even seeing the school workings yesterday and today. Maybe as I only see it from the Romford end of the route. |
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Post by exbox on Oct 4, 2024 8:01:25 GMT
Stagecoach get paid regardless of the amount of passengers as they don’t keep the revenue so can’t see them being that fussed either way. What the driver might have meant was it will retain the existing buses until it’s tendered. I can’t see TfL having had time to review passengers numbers and it’s only been a month or so. I will be surprised if the route is tendered as a double decker route but time will tell. The cost per mile of a single deck route is less than for a double deck route and so Stagecoach would be making an (admittedly small) loss by converting a route to DD without a contract uplift. So we can be sure that they are not doing it out of the goodness of their heart but because it suits them to do it. |
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Post by adl on Oct 4, 2024 21:59:05 GMT
86186 has just pulled onto Romford Bus Garage stop and is displaying route 86, I wonder if this is about to go on the route.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 4, 2024 22:50:04 GMT
86186 has just pulled onto Romford Bus Garage stop and is displaying route 86, I wonder if this is about to go on the route. It appears to be tracking on LVF |
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Post by Leccy86Hybrid on Oct 5, 2024 4:59:49 GMT
84173: AW - RM via PD
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 5, 2024 5:14:48 GMT
I was taken back in time yesterday. Got on a 180 in Woolwich with an AW garage code on the side. A good throwback to when AW (Abbey Wood) ran route 180 up until its closure in 1981.  |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 5, 2024 5:17:08 GMT
86186 has just pulled onto Romford Bus Garage stop and is displaying route 86, I wonder if this is about to go on the route. Given that the fleet number contains 2 references to 86, route 86 is ideal for it  |
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Post by mondraker275 on Oct 5, 2024 7:50:01 GMT
86186 has just pulled onto Romford Bus Garage stop and is displaying route 86, I wonder if this is about to go on the route. Given that the fleet number contains 2 references to 86, route 86 is ideal for it In all seriousness, I think this is the reason that bus is up there. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 5, 2024 8:53:04 GMT
I was taken back in time yesterday. Got on a 180 in Woolwich with an AW garage code on the side. A good throwback to when AW (Abbey Wood) ran route 180 up until its closure in 1981. Also good to see electric buses back in the area*! (although not from AW). * 698 trolleybus, Woolwich to Bexleyheath via Erith. Operated by BX from November 1935 until March 1959. |
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Post by Londontransport3 on Oct 5, 2024 10:02:17 GMT
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Post by WH241 on Oct 5, 2024 10:47:12 GMT
Any idea why these have moved? I thought they moved to PD to increase the electric bus allocation on the 180 as part of the tender renewal.
Talking of the 180 there are currently no electrics out. I am not sure if this is normal for weekends?
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Post by WH241 on Oct 5, 2024 10:51:56 GMT
With 86186 out on the 86 last night was that LI covering a late duty? I never realised they ran bus that late in the evening and assumed they finished earlier than that.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 5, 2024 11:03:46 GMT
With 86186 out on the 86 last night was that LI covering a late duty? I never realised they ran bus that late in the evening and assumed they finished earlier than that. If you take a look on the schedule, LI have buses out from the early hours right through to the end of the day. tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/bus-schedules?Query=86 |
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Post by MMS2001 on Oct 5, 2024 11:21:42 GMT
Any idea why these have moved? I thought they moved to PD to increase the electric bus allocation on the 180 as part of the tender renewal by.
Talking of the 180 there are currently no electrics out. I am not sure if this is normal for weekends?
They've been sent to RM because of the charging ports on these being incompatible with the chargers at PD. 84101-47 (BK173/RM174) +84173/4 use the old setup with 2x Type 2 charging ports. 84148-72 (TL160/PD180) use the newer charging ports with a single CCS charging port. PD (and I expect TL but I've never seen them) use CCS chargers only which are not compatible with the old 2x Type 2 charging ports. As 84173/4 were incompatible, they had to be charged using a max 22kwh charger PD that is used for their engineering vans. As a result it was taking around 2 days to fully charge these 2 buses. RM is in the process of replacing the chargers and charging ports on its buses due to the poor reliability of them (not sure if it will be all of them or just some) but I believe 84106 was the first bus to be retrofitted. I imagine they'll send one of these retrofitted buses to PD. Unfortunately you can't really see what's on the 180 at the moment due to the new schedule change from today and the scheduling system being down due to the cyber security incident. |
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 5, 2024 13:06:39 GMT
Any idea why these have moved? I thought they moved to PD to increase the electric bus allocation on the 180 as part of the tender renewal by.
Talking of the 180 there are currently no electrics out. I am not sure if this is normal for weekends?
They've been sent to RM because of the charging ports on these being incompatible with the chargers at PD. 84101-47 (BK173/RM174) +84173/4 use the old setup with 2x Type 2 charging ports. 84148-72 (TL160/PD180) use the newer charging ports with a single CCS charging port. PD (and I expect TL but I've never seen them) use CCS chargers only which are not compatible with the old 2x Type 2 charging ports. As 84173/4 were incompatible, they had to be charged using a max 22kwh charger PD that is used for their engineering vans. As a result it was taking around 2 days to fully charge these 2 buses. RM is in the process of replacing the chargers and charging ports on its buses due to the poor reliability of them (not sure if it will be all of them or just some) but I believe 84106 was the first bus to be retrofitted. I imagine they'll send one of these retrofitted buses to PD. Unfortunately you can't really see what's on the 180 at the moment due to the new schedule change from today and the scheduling system being down due to the cyber security incident. I think this shows just how quickly we rushed into transitioning to EVs, with 70-reg vehicles (and presumably all the BYD/E400s coming before) having now obsolete tech and unreliable charging equipment. Surely it would have been far better to have waited to sometime like now where infrastructure is already significantly improved, on even just a couple of years ago. No doubt in another 4 years it’ll be better still. This is why I think Manchester have been very sensible, with some early adoption in some places for its Bee network, but still ordering mainly diesels for now. Then converting to electric when the time is right, with better vehicles and tech, rather than going great guns spending all that money and investment on charging equipment, that’s already substandard and needs replacing at more expense. Taking time, and doing it properly and carefully is a much more sustainable way of doing it, rather than rushing it imo |
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