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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 5, 2024 14:10:16 GMT
They've been sent to RM because of the charging ports on these being incompatible with the chargers at PD. 84101-47 (BK173/RM174) +84173/4 use the old setup with 2x Type 2 charging ports. 84148-72 (TL160/PD180) use the newer charging ports with a single CCS charging port. PD (and I expect TL but I've never seen them) use CCS chargers only which are not compatible with the old 2x Type 2 charging ports. As 84173/4 were incompatible, they had to be charged using a max 22kwh charger PD that is used for their engineering vans. As a result it was taking around 2 days to fully charge these 2 buses. RM is in the process of replacing the chargers and charging ports on its buses due to the poor reliability of them (not sure if it will be all of them or just some) but I believe 84106 was the first bus to be retrofitted. I imagine they'll send one of these retrofitted buses to PD. Unfortunately you can't really see what's on the 180 at the moment due to the new schedule change from today and the scheduling system being down due to the cyber security incident. I think this shows just how quickly we rushed into transitioning to EVs, with 70-reg vehicles (and presumably all the BYD/E400s coming before) having now obsolete tech and unreliable charging equipment. Surely it would have been far better to have waited to sometime like now where infrastructure is already significantly improved, on even just a couple of years ago. No doubt in another 4 years it’ll be better still. This is why I think Manchester have been very sensible, with some early adoption in some places for its Bee network, but still ordering mainly diesels for now. Then converting to electric when the time is right, with better vehicles and tech, rather than going great guns spending all that money and investment on charging equipment, that’s already substandard and needs replacing at more expense. Taking time, and doing it properly and carefully is a much more sustainable way of doing it, rather than rushing it imo However the flip side is if London didn't walk then the rest of the country wouldn't run. We would have nowhere near the tech now if we didn't go through the older tech first. |
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Post by dace2 on Oct 5, 2024 14:22:28 GMT
58 is nearly fully BZL. Was it allocated with the 2017 Evosetis along with Gemini 2s?
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Post by TB123 on Oct 5, 2024 14:28:12 GMT
They've been sent to RM because of the charging ports on these being incompatible with the chargers at PD. 84101-47 (BK173/RM174) +84173/4 use the old setup with 2x Type 2 charging ports. 84148-72 (TL160/PD180) use the newer charging ports with a single CCS charging port. PD (and I expect TL but I've never seen them) use CCS chargers only which are not compatible with the old 2x Type 2 charging ports. As 84173/4 were incompatible, they had to be charged using a max 22kwh charger PD that is used for their engineering vans. As a result it was taking around 2 days to fully charge these 2 buses. RM is in the process of replacing the chargers and charging ports on its buses due to the poor reliability of them (not sure if it will be all of them or just some) but I believe 84106 was the first bus to be retrofitted. I imagine they'll send one of these retrofitted buses to PD. Unfortunately you can't really see what's on the 180 at the moment due to the new schedule change from today and the scheduling system being down due to the cyber security incident. I think this shows just how quickly we rushed into transitioning to EVs, with 70-reg vehicles (and presumably all the BYD/E400s coming before) having now obsolete tech and unreliable charging equipment. Surely it would have been far better to have waited to sometime like now where infrastructure is already significantly improved, on even just a couple of years ago. No doubt in another 4 years it’ll be better still. This is why I think Manchester have been very sensible, with some early adoption in some places for its Bee network, but still ordering mainly diesels for now. Then converting to electric when the time is right, with better vehicles and tech, rather than going great guns spending all that money and investment on charging equipment, that’s already substandard and needs replacing at more expense. Taking time, and doing it properly and carefully is a much more sustainable way of doing it, rather than rushing it imo Manchester is still procuring diesel buses because it hasn't yet got the funding to only procure EVs, in addition to delivery timescales, not through ideological choices. It's also interesting to note they are procuring diesel vehicles with a Manchester lifespan of only 5 years given their public commitment to a 100% EV fleet by 2030. The 24 plate E400MMCs placed into service by Stagecoach are expected to leave GM within a year and be cascaded elsewhere within the company, 5 have already gone to Kent. |
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Post by yunus on Oct 5, 2024 14:35:10 GMT
I think this shows just how quickly we rushed into transitioning to EVs, with 70-reg vehicles (and presumably all the BYD/E400s coming before) having now obsolete tech and unreliable charging equipment. Surely it would have been far better to have waited to sometime like now where infrastructure is already significantly improved, on even just a couple of years ago. No doubt in another 4 years it’ll be better still. This is why I think Manchester have been very sensible, with some early adoption in some places for its Bee network, but still ordering mainly diesels for now. Then converting to electric when the time is right, with better vehicles and tech, rather than going great guns spending all that money and investment on charging equipment, that’s already substandard and needs replacing at more expense. Taking time, and doing it properly and carefully is a much more sustainable way of doing it, rather than rushing it imo Manchester is still procuring diesel buses because it hasn't yet got the funding to only procure EVs, in addition to delivery timescales, not through ideological choices. It's also interesting to note they are procuring diesel vehicles with a Manchester lifespan of only 5 years given their public commitment to a 100% EV fleet by 2030. The 24 plate E400MMCs placed into service by Stagecoach are expected to leave GM within a year and be cascaded elsewhere within the company, 5 have already gone to Kent. Is the 2030 full EV target only a Stagecoach intention or all operators across Manchester? If the latter then maybe TFL here in London will be able to meet that target too. Time will tell. |
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Post by ! ALEED on Oct 5, 2024 15:04:59 GMT
13 Electrics on the 58, seems like it'll be fully electric by next week or even this weekend!
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 5, 2024 15:08:27 GMT
I think this shows just how quickly we rushed into transitioning to EVs, with 70-reg vehicles (and presumably all the BYD/E400s coming before) having now obsolete tech and unreliable charging equipment. Surely it would have been far better to have waited to sometime like now where infrastructure is already significantly improved, on even just a couple of years ago. No doubt in another 4 years it’ll be better still. This is why I think Manchester have been very sensible, with some early adoption in some places for its Bee network, but still ordering mainly diesels for now. Then converting to electric when the time is right, with better vehicles and tech, rather than going great guns spending all that money and investment on charging equipment, that’s already substandard and needs replacing at more expense. Taking time, and doing it properly and carefully is a much more sustainable way of doing it, rather than rushing it imo Manchester is still procuring diesel buses because it hasn't yet got the funding to only procure EVs, in addition to delivery timescales, not through ideological choices. It's also interesting to note they are procuring diesel vehicles with a Manchester lifespan of only 5 years given their public commitment to a 100% EV fleet by 2030. The 24 plate E400MMCs placed into service by Stagecoach are expected to leave GM within a year and be cascaded elsewhere within the company, 5 have already gone to Kent. Ive just seen some are at Kent already, makes you wonder why they even bothered with the Manchester interior if they’ve left after only a few months service. Do Stagecoach own them and were told to order them with a Manchester interior or do TfGM own them (and sold them to Stagecoach for their use? Not even sure a complete 2030 conversion is feasible in Manchester anyway. To wire up pretty much every depot in 5 years when it takes a single depot in London more than a year to do sometimes I don’t think will happen tbh. A bit like the government target for phasing out ICE cars by 2030, they can say it all they like but we all know feasibly it’s never going to happen. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 5, 2024 16:18:31 GMT
Manchester is still procuring diesel buses because it hasn't yet got the funding to only procure EVs, in addition to delivery timescales, not through ideological choices. It's also interesting to note they are procuring diesel vehicles with a Manchester lifespan of only 5 years given their public commitment to a 100% EV fleet by 2030. The 24 plate E400MMCs placed into service by Stagecoach are expected to leave GM within a year and be cascaded elsewhere within the company, 5 have already gone to Kent. Ive just seen some are at Kent already, makes you wonder why they even bothered with the Manchester interior if they’ve left after only a few months service. Do Stagecoach own them and were told to order them with a Manchester interior or do TfGM own them (and sold them to Stagecoach for their use? Not even sure a complete 2030 conversion is feasible in Manchester anyway. To wire up pretty much every depot in 5 years when it takes a single depot in London more than a year to do sometimes I don’t think will happen tbh. A bit like the government target for phasing out ICE cars by 2030, they can say it all they like but we all know feasibly it’s never going to happen. It’s all dependent on investment for all the above - if the right investment happens, then the target will be more realistic to achieve. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 5, 2024 16:20:38 GMT
58 is nearly fully BZL. Was it allocated with the 2017 Evosetis along with Gemini 2s? It was originally allocated 3 17 reg MV’s alongside the VN’s under Tower Transit. It then received a PVR cut which left it with 1 17 reg Evoseti alongside the Volvo B9TL’s |
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Post by yunus on Oct 5, 2024 17:11:34 GMT
Will the 169, 247 & 287 be taking on BZLs or Electroliners? Think it has been confirmed but I do not seem to recall the answer.
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Post by MMS2001 on Oct 5, 2024 18:02:36 GMT
Will the 169, 247 & 287 be taking on BZLs or Electroliners? Think it has been confirmed but I do not seem to recall the answer. I think the 247 was confirmed to be receiving Electroliners but I'm not sure whether the 169 or 287 have been officially confirmed yet. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 5, 2024 18:33:48 GMT
Manchester is still procuring diesel buses because it hasn't yet got the funding to only procure EVs, in addition to delivery timescales, not through ideological choices. It's also interesting to note they are procuring diesel vehicles with a Manchester lifespan of only 5 years given their public commitment to a 100% EV fleet by 2030. The 24 plate E400MMCs placed into service by Stagecoach are expected to leave GM within a year and be cascaded elsewhere within the company, 5 have already gone to Kent. Ive just seen some are at Kent already, makes you wonder why they even bothered with the Manchester interior if they’ve left after only a few months service. Do Stagecoach own them and were told to order them with a Manchester interior or do TfGM own them (and sold them to Stagecoach for their use? Not even sure a complete 2030 conversion is feasible in Manchester anyway. To wire up pretty much every depot in 5 years when it takes a single depot in London more than a year to do sometimes I don’t think will happen tbh. A bit like the government target for phasing out ICE cars by 2030, they can say it all they like but we all know feasibly it’s never going to happen. I understand that they were built with Bee Network interiors as a safeguard to make sure they had enough buses in time for Tranche 2 in March. What is bizarre is that some older buses are being repainted or even refurbished, while these are already leaving Manchester. |
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Post by garagesupervisor on Oct 5, 2024 19:05:53 GMT
Will the 169, 247 & 287 be taking on BZLs or Electroliners? Think it has been confirmed but I do not seem to recall the answer. Someone said the 247 is using the 242's as a stop gap but now they're going south London I'm not sure what's happening as there has been no confirmed type |
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Post by WH241 on Oct 5, 2024 19:16:37 GMT
With the two electrics transferring into RM could they form part of allocation for the tender renewal on the 287? They need a new permanent home unless they become general spares as more routes go electric at this garage. I know the 174 struggles with a full allocation of electrics so perhaps this is where they will stay.
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Post by WH241 on Oct 5, 2024 19:21:24 GMT
Will the 169, 247 & 287 be taking on BZLs or Electroliners? Think it has been confirmed but I do not seem to recall the answer. Someone said the 247 is using the 242's as a stop gap but now they're going south London I'm not sure what's happening as there has been no confirmed type I say this as an enthusiast and I have no idea how things work internally but would it not have been possible to use the 242 batch for the 247 ahead of the formal conversion and then the 247 batch of electrics on the 242? This is assuming the 247 gets Electroliners! This would buy HK sometime to be wired up,
Having said that its irrelevant as the 242 batch (Or Some at least) are going to be used on the 47.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 5, 2024 19:25:28 GMT
I think this shows just how quickly we rushed into transitioning to EVs, with 70-reg vehicles (and presumably all the BYD/E400s coming before) having now obsolete tech and unreliable charging equipment. Surely it would have been far better to have waited to sometime like now where infrastructure is already significantly improved, on even just a couple of years ago. No doubt in another 4 years it’ll be better still. This is why I think Manchester have been very sensible, with some early adoption in some places for its Bee network, but still ordering mainly diesels for now. Then converting to electric when the time is right, with better vehicles and tech, rather than going great guns spending all that money and investment on charging equipment, that’s already substandard and needs replacing at more expense. Taking time, and doing it properly and carefully is a much more sustainable way of doing it, rather than rushing it imo However the flip side is if London didn't walk then the rest of the country wouldn't run. We would have nowhere near the tech now if we didn't go through the older tech first. Similarly, almost every technology is obsolete as soon as it enters production and service- if we didn't have the first generation of electric trains, for example, we wouldn't have the technology in electric trains we have now. |
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