dace2
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I like vehicles. Buses, trains, cars, all of them. I made a song out of Stagecoach too.
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Post by dace2 on Nov 4, 2024 20:27:26 GMT
Been told that 257 is to move to LI in 2 weeks time. Is a bit weird that is gonna be moving to LI. Was it planned for T to get the chargers ready for the 257 as per tender notice? |
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Post by busoccultation on Nov 4, 2024 20:27:37 GMT
Been told that 257 is to move to LI in 2 weeks time. I guess that Leyton won't be electrified after all. It will be eventually, 257 to LI is only a temporary move and it allows the Electroliners starts being used on the route without having them sitting in storage gathering dust while they wait for T to be have the chargers ready. |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 4, 2024 20:36:11 GMT
I guess that Leyton won't be electrified after all. It will be eventually, 257 to LI is only a temporary move and it allows the Electroliners starts being used on the route without having them sitting in storage gathering dust while they wait for T to be have the chargers ready. Stagecoach are much better at making use of stored buses than some companies *cough Metroline*. |
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Post by LK65EBO on Nov 4, 2024 20:38:21 GMT
It will be eventually, 257 to LI is only a temporary move and it allows the Electroliners starts being used on the route without having them sitting in storage gathering dust while they wait for T to be have the chargers ready. Stagecoach are much better at making use of stored buses than some companies *cough Metroline*. Where exactly would Metroline be able to deploy them? |
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 4, 2024 20:40:47 GMT
With the 257 moving to LI, I do wonder if it's the Electroliners being used or potentially BZLs (Temporarily) as it would give usage to the BZLs that are just sitting around as HK is not anywhere near ready to take electric (?) and I believe it was mentioned the Electroliners may be put to work on the 247/47 (Temporarily). Of course if there aren't enough spare chargers (Considering the 678 is also temporarily electric) it may be that they simply use the allocation allocated at T and have just moved out to create space for these works to commence although if this was the case it would've been better to not move the 20/616 into T until the works had been completed. Another thing to note is the entrance of another BZL into service this afternoon even though the garage have more than enough for the 58/678 however this is all guess work. I would imagine the 257 is moving to free up space at T for electrification works, and coincidentally also means the route can convert to electrics earlier instead of them sitting unused in storage. The 20 and 616 had to move to T when the W12/13/14 changes happened, as the W12 restructuring massively increased the PVR and meant AW didn't have enough space for it unless something was moved out. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 4, 2024 20:41:13 GMT
It will be eventually, 257 to LI is only a temporary move and it allows the Electroliners starts being used on the route without having them sitting in storage gathering dust while they wait for T to be have the chargers ready. Stagecoach are much better at making use of stored buses than some companies *cough Metroline*. Where would you put all the spare Metroline buses if you're going to make such remarks? |
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Post by adl on Nov 4, 2024 20:43:37 GMT
With the 257 moving to LI, I do wonder if it's the Electroliners being used or potentially BZLs (Temporarily) as it would give usage to the BZLs that are just sitting around as HK is not anywhere near ready to take electric (?) and I believe it was mentioned the Electroliners may be put to work on the 247/47 (Temporarily). Of course if there aren't enough spare chargers (Considering the 678 is also temporarily electric) it may be that they simply use the allocation allocated at T and have just moved out to create space for these works to commence although if this was the case it would've been better to not move the 20/616 into T until the works had been completed. Another thing to note is the entrance of another BZL into service this afternoon even though the garage have more than enough for the 58/678 however this is all guess work. I would imagine the 257 is moving to free up space at T for electrification works, and coincidentally also means the route can convert to electrics earlier instead of them sitting unused in storage. The 20 and 616 had to move to T when the W12/13/14 changes happened, as the W12 restructuring massively increased the PVR and meant AW didn't have enough space for it unless something was moved out. Ah I was not aware of the fact it moved to T due to space for the W routes I had imagined it was because it was better logistically from T alongside the fact there was a greater pool of double deckers. Thanks for the info.  |
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Post by yunus on Nov 4, 2024 20:45:43 GMT
Why is it always a case of "It would have been better if they did this or should have done this" on the forum? I am sure a company like Stagecoach knows what is is doing. LI is better placed for the 257 than the 20. With regards to the 678 it has its own intended hybrid buses so can revert to its intended allocation if needed. Thank you once again for your always positive replies back to me, seems as if even if I don't respond you do not get that I wish you DO NOT. Your endless targetted replies have exhausted my patience. My post simply is my point of view and I am under no illusion and am sure that Stagecoach know what they are doing. If you read my message I am not saying that they do not know what they are doing it simply states that I (That's me) would find it odd if this was the case and are probably two different moves opposed to something else. It's actually very good for humans to take a break from screens especially when they get aggravated by such minor details. Anyways back to Stagecoach and I do look forward to not hearing from you in future, I have also placed you on my block list so any further comments will not be recognised or responded to. I'd like to leave it at that and there is no need for anyone to quote this, let's just discuss Stagecoach and not bite at each others every comment as some wish to. Many thanks. Well said! I also placed him on my block list but as we have seen previously he struggles to honour and respect members wishes when clearly told to not communicate with them. |
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 4, 2024 20:48:07 GMT
It will be eventually, 257 to LI is only a temporary move and it allows the Electroliners starts being used on the route without having them sitting in storage gathering dust while they wait for T to be have the chargers ready. Stagecoach are much better at making use of stored buses than some companies *cough Metroline*. There is nowhere that the electrics Metroline have in storage can be used, so I'm really not sure what you are talking about? If anything, they are doing the best they can do in a bad situation (massive delays to wiring up PV and WJ amongst other garages), having used some of the buses intended for PV at EW, and also having converted the W7 to WDEs intended for another route which I can't remember off the top of my head. |
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Nov 4, 2024 20:56:22 GMT
It will be eventually, 257 to LI is only a temporary move and it allows the Electroliners starts being used on the route without having them sitting in storage gathering dust while they wait for T to be have the chargers ready. Stagecoach are much better at making use of stored buses than some companies *cough Metroline*. I'd love to see where you'd deploy all of Metroline's currently stored electrics, when they have issues with electrification (I assume something to do with UKPN being slow as usual  ) - not to mention Stagecoach have a lot less electrics to store and therefore deploy. Notice how Metroline have deployed some WDEs at PB and HT, where there are already chargers installed. |
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Post by ! ALEED on Nov 4, 2024 22:11:52 GMT
I personally do not think the BZLs will stray onto the 257, given that they might've chosen to order BZLs at the time rather than Electroliners perhaps due to length restrictions? Of course I could be very wrong as I don't know the full history of the route and what buses it has used in the past.
What I can see happening is the 257 will have a dual allocation of E400s and Electroliners, and the E40Hs could perhaps be deployed at WH or even at BK to support the 238?
LI will most likely not run the E40Hs given they are not familiar with the type at the garage, and they clearly preferred the use of B5LH MMCs over E40Hs.
For charging purposes, it could perhaps use the intended chargers for the W13 and W14 buses or some spare chargers they might have from the 86's part allocation at LI!
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Post by WH241 on Nov 4, 2024 22:20:18 GMT
Seems my throwaway Metroline comment triggered a few members.
It was a passing remark as a comparison to other companies. At least I keep my usual fans on alert to my posts 🙄
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 4, 2024 22:32:04 GMT
Seems my throwaway Metroline comment triggered a few members. It was a passing remark as a comparison to other companies. At least I keep my usual fans on alert to my posts 🙄 You made a baseless comment about an operator that's not involved in the discussion at all. Operators know what they are doing and it seems a bit silly that you would question their capability, seeing as like you mentioned this exact fact earlier on in this thread. Why is it always a case of "It would have been better if they did this or should have done this" on the forum? I am sure a company like Stagecoach knows what is is doing. LI is better placed for the 257 than the 20. It's not about members being triggered, it's about multiple members coming back with questions. Not to mention that Arriva and Go Ahead also have stored electric vehicles, do these operators not know what they are doing? |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 4, 2024 22:47:17 GMT
Been told that 257 is to move to LI in 2 weeks time. I knew it!!! Rest my case. Fair play if you called it correctly 😉 |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 4, 2024 23:02:20 GMT
Seems my throwaway Metroline comment triggered a few members. It was a passing remark as a comparison to other companies. At least I keep my usual fans on alert to my posts 🙄 You made a baseless comment about an operator that's not involved in the discussion at all. Operators know what they are doing and it seems a bit silly that you would question their capability, seeing as like you mentioned this exact fact earlier on in this thread. Why is it always a case of "It would have been better if they did this or should have done this" on the forum? I am sure a company like Stagecoach knows what is is doing. LI is better placed for the 257 than the 20. It's not about members being triggered, it's about multiple members coming back with questions. Not to mention that Arriva and Go Ahead also have stored electric vehicles, do these operators not know what they are doing? Metroline does, on paper, seem to be outgrowing every other operator with stored vehicles. I’m sure they will come into service eventually but it seems a lot slower compared to others. |
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) - not to mention Stagecoach have a lot less electrics to store and therefore deploy. Notice how Metroline have deployed some WDEs at PB and HT, where there are already chargers installed.
