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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 5, 2023 7:03:33 GMT
The probably would only need inserts as all that would be added is 59 St Barts and 133 Holborn. Holborn is already on the BN blinds so would need to be programed to show alongside 133. I'd imagine the 133 would also have St Paul's and City Thameslink added to its blindset. It would be interesting to see how many extra buses would be needed for the 133 as the extension to Holborn is pretty lengthy. I'd say 2 more. Its probably about another 5 mins to Holborn then it would be to Liverpool Street. |
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 5, 2023 10:18:55 GMT
I'd imagine the 133 would also have St Paul's and City Thameslink added to its blindset. It would be interesting to see how many extra buses would be needed for the 133 as the extension to Holborn is pretty lengthy. I'd say 2 more. Its probably about another 5 mins to Holborn then it would be to Liverpool Street. Judging by the journey times online, it seems the 133 would need around 10 mins extra than it does currently to Liverpool Street. That'd be at least three extra buses for the 133 given its 6 minute frequency. |
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Post by abellion on Apr 5, 2023 11:15:36 GMT
I'd say 2 more. Its probably about another 5 mins to Holborn then it would be to Liverpool Street. Judging by the journey times online, it seems the 133 would need around 10 mins extra than it does currently to Liverpool Street. That'd be at least three extra buses for the 133 given its 6 minute frequency. Back when the W3 retained got announced someone suggested the 307’s DWs displacing 41/123/158 HVs for the route. Now with the 78 loss the W3 might not need all of those HVs so they could get a few for BN, although this all depends on the Electroliners arriving. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 5, 2023 11:23:12 GMT
Judging by the journey times online, it seems the 133 would need around 10 mins extra than it does currently to Liverpool Street. That'd be at least three extra buses for the 133 given its 6 minute frequency. Back when the W3 retained got announced someone suggested the 307’s DWs displacing 41/123/158 HVs for the route. Now with the 78 loss the W3 might not need all of those HVs so they could get a few for BN, although this all depends on the Electroliners arriving. The W3 is due to gain HAs not HVs. I expect the few remaining on the 133 will transfer to top up the 78's batch. With BN then just keeping enough HAs to cover the 333. The 62reg HVs at WN are currently spare, so these would be a good fit to transfer to BN for the 133's reroute. There's also still a few surplus 17reg HVs at N from the 2's cut. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 5, 2023 12:11:22 GMT
Judging by the journey times online, it seems the 133 would need around 10 mins extra than it does currently to Liverpool Street. That'd be at least three extra buses for the 133 given its 6 minute frequency. Back when the W3 retained got announced someone suggested the 307’s DWs displacing 41/123/158 HVs for the route. Now with the 78 loss the W3 might not need all of those HVs so they could get a few for BN, although this all depends on the Electroliners arriving. I remember that aswell. To me was perfectly sensible as those HVs will likely the too old to be used on the 41/123/158 for another term whereas there is probably a couple more years london life in the 307 DWs. |
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 5, 2023 12:12:48 GMT
Back when the W3 retained got announced someone suggested the 307’s DWs displacing 41/123/158 HVs for the route. Now with the 78 loss the W3 might not need all of those HVs so they could get a few for BN, although this all depends on the Electroliners arriving. The W3 is due to gain HAs not HVs. I expect the few remaining on the 133 will transfer to top up the 78's batch. With BN then just keeping enough HAs to cover the 333. The 62reg HVs at WN are currently spare, so these would be a good fit to transfer to BN for the 133's reroute. There's also still a few surplus 17reg HVs at N from the 2's cut. It would be perfectly logical to keep the spare HVs at WN for the W3, but considering how the route almost exclusively sticks to its E400 batch I expect the Enviro Cities to continue this trend. That would involve at least 3 HAs from BN to make up the W3's PVR of 21, likely a fourth to give the W3 batch one spare HA. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 5, 2023 13:12:47 GMT
The W3 is due to gain HAs not HVs. I expect the few remaining on the 133 will transfer to top up the 78's batch. With BN then just keeping enough HAs to cover the 333. The 62reg HVs at WN are currently spare, so these would be a good fit to transfer to BN for the 133's reroute. There's also still a few surplus 17reg HVs at N from the 2's cut. It would be perfectly logical to keep the spare HVs at WN for the W3, but considering how the route almost exclusively sticks to its E400 batch I expect the Enviro Cities to continue this trend. That would involve at least 3 HAs from BN to make up the W3's PVR of 21, likely a fourth to give the W3 batch one spare HA. Arriva's full fleet of HAs should add up well to cover the 198, 333 and W3. 198 - x13 (PVR 12) 333 - x18 (PVR 16) W3 - x21 (PVR 19) There are 53 HAs in total, leaving just 1 spare. (Edited - LBR not up to date with the 198) |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 5, 2023 13:17:23 GMT
It would be perfectly logical to keep the spare HVs at WN for the W3, but considering how the route almost exclusively sticks to its E400 batch I expect the Enviro Cities to continue this trend. That would involve at least 3 HAs from BN to make up the W3's PVR of 21, likely a fourth to give the W3 batch one spare HA. Arriva's full fleet of HAs should add up well to cover the 198, 333 and W3. 198 - x12 (PVR 11) 333 - x18 (PVR 16) W3 - x21 (PVR 19) There are 53 HAs in total, leaving just 2 spare. The 198 needs 14 buses to cover a 12PVR |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 5, 2023 13:38:43 GMT
Arriva's full fleet of HAs should add up well to cover the 198, 333 and W3. 198 - x12 (PVR 11) 333 - x18 (PVR 16) W3 - x21 (PVR 19) There are 53 HAs in total, leaving just 2 spare. The 198 needs 14 buses to cover a 12PVR Why does the 198 need two spares for a PVR of 12? Normally you only have 1 or no spares for a 12 PVR route. It's had 13 buses for it a long time now without issue. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 5, 2023 13:45:14 GMT
Back when the W3 retained got announced someone suggested the 307’s DWs displacing 41/123/158 HVs for the route. Now with the 78 loss the W3 might not need all of those HVs so they could get a few for BN, although this all depends on the Electroliners arriving. The W3 is due to gain HAs not HVs. I expect the few remaining on the 133 will transfer to top up the 78's batch. With BN then just keeping enough HAs to cover the 333. The 62reg HVs at WN are currently spare, so these would be a good fit to transfer to BN for the 133's reroute. There's also still a few surplus 17reg HVs at N from the 2's cut. Is it the 62 reg HV's that are actually spare? I know there are amount spare of HV's at WN (given the 29 had a PVR cut) but it's not exactly known whether it's the 62 reg that are spare or the 13 reg freed up from the 29. In any case, the 144 at least has both batches allocated and should leave roughly three spare if my calculations are correct. My own assumption is the 62 reg are all part of the 144 with a couple of 13 reg examples. |
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 5, 2023 13:51:45 GMT
It would be perfectly logical to keep the spare HVs at WN for the W3, but considering how the route almost exclusively sticks to its E400 batch I expect the Enviro Cities to continue this trend. That would involve at least 3 HAs from BN to make up the W3's PVR of 21, likely a fourth to give the W3 batch one spare HA. Arriva's full fleet of HAs should add up well to cover the 198, 333 and W3. 198 - x12 (PVR 11) 333 - x18 (PVR 16) W3 - x21 (PVR 19) There are 53 HAs in total, leaving just 2 spare. The London Buses website states the W3 has a PVR of 21. I know the W3 got a frequency cut recently but this website is hardly ever wrong. |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 5, 2023 14:01:07 GMT
The 198 needs 14 buses to cover a 12PVR Why does the 198 need two spares for a PVR of 12? Normally you only have 1 or no spares for a 12 PVR route. It's had 13 buses for it a long time now without issue. Typo, meant 13. Will edit |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 5, 2023 14:02:08 GMT
Arriva's full fleet of HAs should add up well to cover the 198, 333 and W3. 198 - x12 (PVR 11) 333 - x18 (PVR 16) W3 - x21 (PVR 19) There are 53 HAs in total, leaving just 2 spare. The London Buses website states the W3 has a PVR of 21. I know the W3 got a frequency cut recently but this website is hardly ever wrong. The tendered PVR was 19 tangytango.proboards.com/thread/12529/tender-results-20th-december-2022 |
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 5, 2023 14:41:46 GMT
The 198 needs 14 buses to cover a 12PVR Why does the 198 need two spares for a PVR of 12? Normally you only have 1 or no spares for a 12 PVR route. It's had 13 buses for it a long time now without issue. Not really, look how many days a T is out. 2 is the correct number in my opinion. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 5, 2023 14:54:16 GMT
The W3 is due to gain HAs not HVs. I expect the few remaining on the 133 will transfer to top up the 78's batch. With BN then just keeping enough HAs to cover the 333. The 62reg HVs at WN are currently spare, so these would be a good fit to transfer to BN for the 133's reroute. There's also still a few surplus 17reg HVs at N from the 2's cut. Is it the 62 reg HV's that are actually spare? I know there are amount spare of HV's at WN (given the 29 had a PVR cut) but it's not exactly known whether it's the 62 reg that are spare or the 13 reg freed up from the 29. In any case, the 144 at least has both batches allocated and should leave roughly three spare if my calculations are correct. My own assumption is the 62 reg are all part of the 144 with a couple of 13 reg examples. Obviously don't know for sure, but the 13reg at WN roughly add up to cover the 29 and part-144 allocations (alongside DWs). Also BN already have a few ex-WN 62reg HVs, so would make sense to send more from that batch. |
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