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Post by portman227 on Sept 2, 2023 16:29:41 GMT
Does anyone know the conversion date for 64, or if it’s electric vehicles have even arrived at the garage, I’ve heard no news regarding it’s vehicles?
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Post by portman227 on Sept 2, 2023 16:31:48 GMT
Some of the DW’s at TC are performance restricted, very very bad on some of the hills on 412/60, so wondering how bad or even worse the SW’s are. Can’t be as bad as people make it. The difference is the DW’s don’t have reliability issues so even the ones that are performance restricted would still operate far more reliably in comparison. Streetdecks are well known for their sluggishness - the ones in Brighton are no better and they have even more taxing routes to use like the 12X Maybe because it’s the first of its kind in service and other models have been improved slightly, for example the WSD’s. May suggest why this particular batch is suffering. Maybe it’s underpowered or the newer models are more powerful. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 2, 2023 16:46:42 GMT
According to a TC driver elsewhere, the SWs are only temporary there and for the 312. That would explain why the one I saw earlier was "nanditised" I saw two Ts atleast on the 312 today so DDs are very much out on the route. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 2, 2023 21:05:46 GMT
The difference is the DW’s don’t have reliability issues so even the ones that are performance restricted would still operate far more reliably in comparison. Streetdecks are well known for their sluggishness - the ones in Brighton are no better and they have even more taxing routes to use like the 12X Maybe because it’s the first of its kind in service and other models have been improved slightly, for example the WSD’s. May suggest why this particular batch is suffering. Maybe it’s underpowered or the newer models are more powerful. No, all Streetdecks built bar one sole example for Go North East have the same engine specs - the WSD's and the ex Tower Transit WH's are just as underpowered. The sole example for Go North East has a more powerful setup. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 2, 2023 21:07:39 GMT
Does anyone know the conversion date for 64, or if it’s electric vehicles have even arrived at the garage, I’ve heard no news regarding it’s vehicles? I believe so far, a few ES's have arrived at TH though not sure if they are for the 64 or 417. BN still only has two ES's parked in the tram shed and they've not moved from the spot they've been parked in for about a week and a half. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 2, 2023 21:10:20 GMT
Maybe because it’s the first of its kind in service and other models have been improved slightly, for example the WSD’s. May suggest why this particular batch is suffering. Maybe it’s underpowered or the newer models are more powerful. No, all Streetdecks built bar one sole example for Go North East have the same engine specs - the WSD's and the ex Tower Transit WH's are just as underpowered. The sole example for Go North East has a more powerful setup. Are they same as the ones on the 44 as they seem to perform well thou I don't always see the 44 but they seem to be on the 131 alot. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 2, 2023 21:12:10 GMT
No, all Streetdecks built bar one sole example for Go North East have the same engine specs - the WSD's and the ex Tower Transit WH's are just as underpowered. The sole example for Go North East has a more powerful setup. Are they same as the ones on the 44 as they seem to perform well thou I don't always see the 44 but they seem to be on the 131 alot. The 44's ones are the same as the others, they probably perform better merely because the 44 has no inclines of note to climb. They are as gutless as the rest unlike the Electroliner which is anything but gutless. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 2, 2023 21:17:35 GMT
Are they same as the ones on the 44 as they seem to perform well thou I don't always see the 44 but they seem to be on the 131 alot. The 44's ones are the same as the others, they probably perform better merely because the 44 has no inclines of note to climb. They are as gutless as the rest unlike the Electroliner which is anything but gutless. So basically Arriva need to find a route completely on the flat. Hardly easy in the TC and N areas I'd say with all the hills. |
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 2, 2023 21:22:42 GMT
The 44's ones are the same as the others, they probably perform better merely because the 44 has no inclines of note to climb. They are as gutless as the rest unlike the Electroliner which is anything but gutless. So basically Arriva need to find a route completely on the flat. Hardly easy in the TC and N areas I'd say with all the hills. I’d say the 249 and 432 are the biggest no nos of all with Anerley Hill 😂😂 I genuinely think they would be defeated by that hill |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 2, 2023 21:23:08 GMT
The 44's ones are the same as the others, they probably perform better merely because the 44 has no inclines of note to climb. They are as gutless as the rest unlike the Electroliner which is anything but gutless. So basically Arriva need to find a route completely on the flat. Hardly easy in the TC and N areas I'd say with all the hills. As flat as is practical (the 312 ironically is a good choice, though it's only temporary) but in particular to the SW's, one that passes it's home garage for easy subbing when one inevitably plays up like when at AD on the 102 and 329 which both passed AD. Every double decker route at N will at least be hybrid once the 157 goes and I'm not sure anything is particularly suitable at TC though at least several of it's routes pass the garage for easy subbing. Personally, they're better off out of London on town work which wouldn't be too taxing on the vehicles themselves |
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 2, 2023 21:28:14 GMT
No, all Streetdecks built bar one sole example for Go North East have the same engine specs - the WSD's and the ex Tower Transit WH's are just as underpowered. The sole example for Go North East has a more powerful setup. Are they same as the ones on the 44 as they seem to perform well thou I don't always see the 44 but they seem to be on the 131 alot. They go in the 131 a lot because there’s considerably more WSDs now than the 44’s PVR thanks to its PVR cut. To be fair as much as I hate the WSDs on my beloved route, they are best suited to the 131 due to it being very flat and with no real thrashy parts. The 57 is slightly more demanding. The WSDs do very often find themselves on the 57/280 too, due to AL’s nearly non existent allocations |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 2, 2023 21:42:19 GMT
Are they same as the ones on the 44 as they seem to perform well thou I don't always see the 44 but they seem to be on the 131 alot. They go in the 131 a lot because there’s considerably more WSDs now than the 44’s PVR thanks to its PVR cut. To be fair as much as I hate the WSDs on my beloved route, they are best suited to the 131 due to it being very flat and with no real thrashy parts. The 57 is slightly more demanding. The WSDs do very often find themselves on the 57/280 too, due to AL’s nearly non existent allocations I've had one on the 57 and whilst nothing wrong passenger wise, it was still pretty hopeless (similar to a power restricted E). I really hope they are sent out of London after the contract ends, stick them on town work within the Go-Ahead group and they'll be ok. The ones with Ensignbus do this sort of work (X80 aside) and they're better for it (they also did look after their fleet which helps too) plus it's not particularly hilly bar the roads leading into Lakeside itself. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 2, 2023 21:52:44 GMT
They go in the 131 a lot because there’s considerably more WSDs now than the 44’s PVR thanks to its PVR cut. To be fair as much as I hate the WSDs on my beloved route, they are best suited to the 131 due to it being very flat and with no real thrashy parts. The 57 is slightly more demanding. The WSDs do very often find themselves on the 57/280 too, due to AL’s nearly non existent allocations I've had one on the 57 and whilst nothing wrong passenger wise, it was still pretty hopeless (similar to a power restricted E). I really hope they are sent out of London after the contract ends, stick them on town work within the Go-Ahead group and they'll be ok. The ones with Ensignbus do this sort of work (X80 aside) and they're better for it (they also did look after their fleet which helps too) plus it's not particularly hilly bar the roads leading into Lakeside itself. If the 44 moves to SW then they may be harder to easily sub off the route. They could then stray onto the 77/88 and 118. |
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 3, 2023 1:06:39 GMT
Are they same as the ones on the 44 as they seem to perform well thou I don't always see the 44 but they seem to be on the 131 alot. They go in the 131 a lot because there’s considerably more WSDs now than the 44’s PVR thanks to its PVR cut. To be fair as much as I hate the WSDs on my beloved route, they are best suited to the 131 due to it being very flat and with no real thrashy parts. The 57 is slightly more demanding. The WSDs do very often find themselves on the 57/280 too, due to AL’s nearly non existent allocations They could move them to the 476, no hills as such, generally 20 zones throughout (not sure if these are hybrids as they have that 48v system with the small electric motor helping the engine)? Noticed that wrapped bus GAL showed off for Notting Hill Carnival had the new GAL logo. I wonder when it will be rolled out across the fleet? WVL294 was on the 476 with London Central fleetnames  Let's see if the remaining Streetdecks at AD are back out on Monday, or if they will also head to TC  |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 3, 2023 8:28:03 GMT
I noticed on the 158 timetable in tfl website the Sunday night service, after the 0320 departure from Chingford Mount the next bus is at 0500. Is this actually the case? It is not an error. The first day duty trip leaves Chingford Mount at 03:55, then 04:10 |
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