eal1ngvolvo483
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Post by eal1ngvolvo483 on Sept 4, 2023 21:59:26 GMT
Why did the 312 get SWs in the first place? When it get extended following 455 being withdrawn, surly they can't put them on 312 anymore after that? Perhaps they are doing it so the EMC's possibly get refurbished?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 4, 2023 23:03:01 GMT
Will it fit in or will something move to SF if it reopens. I wonder could this be a indication the 242 has been lost? As I mentioned last week, the rest would be put out this week, but as you suspect, the writing is on the wall.... |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 4, 2023 23:06:10 GMT
I wonder could this be a indication the 242 has been lost? Can't imagine so, a garage closure would have taken months of planning before it's announced to employees. Operators don't get much advance notice of tenders so unless Arriva just didn't bid at all these two are probably not linked. They did bid for the 242, they announcement is linked. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 4, 2023 23:08:28 GMT
AE is confirmed to close by the end of January 2023 with the 254's moved to CT. I'm sure this comes as a surprise to nobody Will this allow Stagecoach to take over the whole of the garage, or does a license change need to be done first? Well they are more than welcome to it. After all, once the lease renting the space expires, nothing stopping Stagecoach expanding to use that part. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 4, 2023 23:12:29 GMT
Will this allow Stagecoach to take over the whole of the garage, or does a license change need to be done first? I assume Stagecoach will move into the Arriva side of the garage, they’re going to need the space for electrification to occur and don’t forget it will give them quite a lot of flexibility to bid for other routes. Technically if they wanted to bid for the 34’s they could do that with the additional space and then move the 55’s into HK. I believe Stagecoach already put a cheeky bid in for the 38’s to run it from HK but was turned down due to the price for them to run it. I believe an extra 5 buses would have been needed to maintain the split service I was not aware of any Stagecoach bid from Ash Grove, I am sure the time the 38 tender was in, they would not have even had the space there if they had the garage as yet. I was aware of Tower Transit from [LI] |
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darz
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Post by darz on Sept 4, 2023 23:28:24 GMT
Can't imagine so, a garage closure would have taken months of planning before it's announced to employees. Operators don't get much advance notice of tenders so unless Arriva just didn't bid at all these two are probably not linked. They did bid for the 242, they announcement is linked. SF will probably reopen with the 76 coming back. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 5, 2023 1:56:46 GMT
Why did the 312 get SWs in the first place? When it get extended following 455 being withdrawn, surly they can't put them on 312 anymore after that? Perhaps they are doing it so the EMC's possibly get refurbished? They're only temporarily on the 312 so won't be around by time the extension happens whenever that will be. In any event, Old Lodge Lane has a low bridge so double deckers would be out of the question regardless. |
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Post by vlw92 on Sept 5, 2023 8:28:42 GMT
This I can confirm from my time as a driver and controller on the route I can't really remember but were that many ever needed? How long after was the first PVR reduction? I'm trying to remember as far back. First PVR cut came like in 2012 after London Overground had fully become operational also with the 242. I remember the running numbers when from CT201-271. By today's standards it doesn't mate sense and it honestly didn't make sense back then either. A 90s to 2 min service from CT to Victoria with a 5 min service from the Central to The Pond. The service pattern is the only thing to this day that I agree with. The alternating termini in the east still makes total SENSE. No need for the full service to continue to Clapton Pond. The section is overbused as it is. |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 5, 2023 8:30:51 GMT
I wonder could this be a indication the 242 has been lost? As I mentioned last week, the rest would be put out this week, but as you suspect, the writing is on the wall.... Yes you did, I just wondered yesterday if that pretty much confirmed the route had been lost. It was then pointed out the night PVR at CT is high so there would be space for the 254. As others have said it’s amazing or think the 38, 73 and 254 can now all fit in one garage. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 5, 2023 8:35:34 GMT
I can't really remember but were that many ever needed? How long after was the first PVR reduction? I'm trying to remember as far back. First PVR cut came like in 2012 after London Overground had fully become operational also with the 242. I remember the running numbers when from CT201-271. By today's standards it doesn't mate sense and it honestly didn't make sense back then either. A 90s to 2 min service from CT to Victoria with a 5 min service from the Central to The Pond. The service pattern is the only thing to this day that I agree with. The alternating termini in the east still makes total SENSE. No need for the full service to continue to Clapton Pond. The section is overbused as it is. I have to say I'm slightly surprised after after all the reductions over the past 5 years that TFL didn't standardise the 38 as Victoria to Hackney Central only with the 56 still linking to Dalston and Angel and the hopper fare and the 55/106/253/254 between CT and Clapton Pond. |
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Post by vlw92 on Sept 5, 2023 8:43:12 GMT
As I mentioned last week, the rest would be put out this week, but as you suspect, the writing is on the wall.... Yes you did, I just wondered yesterday if that pretty much confirmed the route had been lost. It was then pointed out the night PVR at CT is high so there would be space for the 254. As others have said it’s amazing or think the 38, 73 and 254 can now all fit in one garage. Their is no confirmation that Arriva have decided to leave the garage perminantly. It's just a stratigic financial temporary closure. Let me try to put some perspective. At the moment that area as a whole doesn't really have much of a tender program ad most routes in the area not due up for tenders soon. The only feasible thing for Arriva with be the 15/115 and that is a stretch. The garage is owned by TFL and Arriva pay little towards it in terms of rent. It would make sense to close it down for now and wait and see in the next few years. Arriva have the outside part of the garage which makes it perrfect for electrification in a near future. They have had a string of bad luck not due in part to TFLs shambolic tendering system. I have my fingers crossed that a proposed sale will lead to some serious needed investment. |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 5, 2023 9:11:04 GMT
Yes you did, I just wondered yesterday if that pretty much confirmed the route had been lost. It was then pointed out the night PVR at CT is high so there would be space for the 254. As others have said it’s amazing or think the 38, 73 and 254 can now all fit in one garage. Their is no confirmation that Arriva have decided to leave the garage perminantly. It's just a stratigic financial temporary closure. Let me try to put some perspective. At the moment that area as a whole doesn't really have much of a tender program ad most routes in the area not due up for tenders soon. The only feasible thing for Arriva with be the 15/115 and that is a stretch. The garage is owned by TFL and Arriva pay little towards it in terms of rent. It would make sense to close it down for now and wait and see in the next few years. Arriva have the outside part of the garage which makes it perrfect for electrification in a near future. They have had a string of bad luck not due in part to TFLs shambolic tendering system. I have my fingers crossed that a proposed sale will lead to some serious needed investment. Thank you for explaining things that makes sense! I have also mentioned similar in the past about east London routes pretty much being done and dusted for a few years, yes there will be routes coming up but the bulk of the tenders are done now. |
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Post by cardinal on Sept 5, 2023 9:36:55 GMT
ISquared most recent investments are quite varied.
What interested me the most is their involvement in Edge Data.
Having ownership of private sites across the UK which could be further utilised as edge data sites would be of very strategic future investment.
Arriva have legacy garages across the Uk sites in towns & cities , inside densely populated areas , absolutely ideal for a “last mile” siting of a data centre and all they’ll need is a roof or some space for what are called “racks”.
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eal1ngvolvo483
Driver
Bus Enthusiast based in Ealing, enjoys many stuff like reality shows, Eastern European and Iranian.
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Post by eal1ngvolvo483 on Sept 5, 2023 13:09:06 GMT
The second working YX65 RNA has done at AW, this time on W19, this one was the one that got refurbished and was ex 339, pretty sure this should be going to RM for 346 when the tender starts.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 5, 2023 13:17:44 GMT
The second working YX65 RNA has done at AW, this time on W19, this one was the one that got refurbished and was ex 339, pretty sure this should be going to RM for 346 when the tender starts. Are you sure? 3 of the ex 339 65regs should be going to the W19 for its new contract. |
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