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Post by TB123 on Sept 8, 2023 10:10:18 GMT
We don't know the full score yet, and you're jumping to conclusions having a dig at Arriva. Of course, fan favourite Stagecoach would never do such a thing! 🧐 You can gloat once the SL1 tender result comes out today, or the next few working days. Until then Arriva have blatantly lied to their staff and whether you like it or not that's the fact. You've effectively just told all your staff you've won the SL1 on a brand new contract which implies it'll last a few years, what are you going to tell them if Go Ahead, Metroline or Stagecoach win it in three months? Have you actually seen the notice, in all honesty? No mention is made of the length of contract at all. At the end of the day, the SL1 will be run on a contract/tender, all TfL services are even "direct awards" a la 306/391. But they will be operating it - that's the fact, whether you like it or not. |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 8, 2023 10:12:59 GMT
I appreciate what people are saying about the SL1 but it’s still an increase in work (As far as I am aware). It’s a new route in itself and not just a renumber like the 607 and X26. Maybe the use of tender news was wrongly used but Arriva can’t seem to do anything right in the eyes of the forum. There's the usual complaining. But this is a blatant lie to your staff members. The SL1 is a new route yes, but remember the 34 is losing a few buses of itself to facilitate this. At most Arriva's increase in PVR will be around 3-4, maybe 5 at a push. The SL7 change was far bigger and Go Ahead didn't go around telling everyone they'd won a new tender, I don't even think they mentioned it publicly that the X26 received the contract extension for a year. The SL1 is a smaller change in the grand scheme and the 34 hasn't had a contract extension. If anything Arriva should have been even more cautious as the SL1 was added to the programme in a tender update. Is it a lie? They are running the SL1 until November 2024 (Unless it has been awarded a new tender, which will see later if the results are published). Arriva make no mention of it being a 5 year or 7 year tender or make mentions of rotas. I don’t see the problem celebrating the fact they will be running the service. I don’t see the difference in this and say a short term tender / contract like the 728. |
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Post by TB123 on Sept 8, 2023 10:13:28 GMT
There's the usual complaining. But this is a blatant lie to your staff members. The SL1 is a new route yes, but remember the 34 is losing a few buses of itself to facilitate this. At most Arriva's increase in PVR will be around 3-4, maybe 5 at a push. The SL7 change was far bigger and Go Ahead didn't go around telling everyone they'd won a new tender, I don't even think they mentioned it publicly that the X26 received the contract extension for a year. The SL1 is a smaller change in the grand scheme and the 34 hasn't had a contract extension. If anything Arriva should have been even more cautious as the SL1 was added to the programme in a tender update. Is it a lie? They are running the SL1 until November 2024 (Unless it has been awarded a new tender, which will see later if the results are published). Arriva make no mention of it being a 5 year or 7 year tender or make mentions of rotas. I don’t see the problem celebrating the fact they will be running the service. I don’t see the difference in this and say a short term tender / contract like the 728. Well said that man. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 8, 2023 10:14:39 GMT
You can gloat once the SL1 tender result comes out today, or the next few working days. Until then Arriva have blatantly lied to their staff and whether you like it or not that's the fact. You've effectively just told all your staff you've won the SL1 on a brand new contract which implies it'll last a few years, what are you going to tell them if Go Ahead, Metroline or Stagecoach win it in three months? Have you actually seen the notice, in all honesty? No mention is made of the length of contract at all. At the end of the day, the SL1 will be run on a contract/tender, all TfL services are even "direct awards" a la 306/391. But they will be operating it - that's the fact, whether you like it or not. yes, I did see the notice. TfL do not do direct awards, they do contract variations. If it's a direct award a intent or award will need to be posted and a standstill period observed before a tender can be signed. Find me the NOI for the 306 and I'll believe you, but until then the 306 is a contract variation and not a direct award. The SL1 is not a tender award no matter how much you brainwash yourself and others into thinking so. There's no intent of award present so its a contract variation instead of a tender award. |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 8, 2023 10:14:55 GMT
We don't know the full score yet, and you're jumping to conclusions having a dig at Arriva. Of course, fan favourite Stagecoach would never do such a thing! 🧐 You can gloat once the SL1 tender result comes out today, or the next few working days. Until then Arriva have blatantly lied to their staff and whether you like it or not that's the fact. You've effectively just told all your staff you've won the SL1 on a brand new contract which implies it'll last a few years, what are you going to tell them if Go Ahead, Metroline or Stagecoach win it in three months? Where have Stagecoach lied to their drivers about a tender result? Why would the SL1 results be out over year before the tender award? Unless it’s been moved again. There are routes far more pressing like the 242 than the 34 and SL1. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 8, 2023 10:15:27 GMT
There's the usual complaining. But this is a blatant lie to your staff members. The SL1 is a new route yes, but remember the 34 is losing a few buses of itself to facilitate this. At most Arriva's increase in PVR will be around 3-4, maybe 5 at a push. The SL7 change was far bigger and Go Ahead didn't go around telling everyone they'd won a new tender, I don't even think they mentioned it publicly that the X26 received the contract extension for a year. The SL1 is a smaller change in the grand scheme and the 34 hasn't had a contract extension. If anything Arriva should have been even more cautious as the SL1 was added to the programme in a tender update. Is it a lie? They are running the SL1 until November 2024 (Unless it has been awarded a new tender, which will see later if the results are published). Arriva make no mention of it being a 5 year or 7 year tender or make mentions of rotas. I don’t see the problem celebrating the fact they will be running the service. I don’t see the difference in this and say a short term tender / contract like the 728. Yes, you said it yourself. It's not been awarded a new tender so how exactly is it tender news? |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 8, 2023 10:16:02 GMT
You can gloat once the SL1 tender result comes out today, or the next few working days. Until then Arriva have blatantly lied to their staff and whether you like it or not that's the fact. You've effectively just told all your staff you've won the SL1 on a brand new contract which implies it'll last a few years, what are you going to tell them if Go Ahead, Metroline or Stagecoach win it in three months? Where have Stagecoach lied to their drivers about a tender result? Why would the SL1 results be out over year before the tender award? Unless it’s been moved again. There are routes far more pressing like the 242 than the 34 and SL1. The SL1 tender is due in November according to the tender programme. |
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Post by TB123 on Sept 8, 2023 10:19:56 GMT
Have you actually seen the notice, in all honesty? No mention is made of the length of contract at all. At the end of the day, the SL1 will be run on a contract/tender, all TfL services are even "direct awards" a la 306/391. But they will be operating it - that's the fact, whether you like it or not. yes, I did see the notice. TfL do not do direct awards, they do contract variations. If it's a direct award a intent or award will need to be posted and a standstill period observed before a tender can be signed. Find me the NOI for the 306 and I'll believe you, but until then the 306 is a contract variation and not a direct award. The SL1 is not a tender award no matter how much you brainwash yourself and others into thinking so. There's no intent of award present so its a contract variation instead of a tender award. Inversions count for nothing these days.... You're ranting at a sheet of A4 on display in a bus garage. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 8, 2023 10:22:41 GMT
yes, I did see the notice. TfL do not do direct awards, they do contract variations. If it's a direct award a intent or award will need to be posted and a standstill period observed before a tender can be signed. Find me the NOI for the 306 and I'll believe you, but until then the 306 is a contract variation and not a direct award. The SL1 is not a tender award no matter how much you brainwash yourself and others into thinking so. There's no intent of award present so its a contract variation instead of a tender award. Inversions count for nothing these days.... You're ranting at a sheet of A4 on display in a bus garage. Yes, because it's lying to staff members? It says it's a tender result when it's not one which is the bottom line. The actual tender result is coming out in a few months and all well and good if Arriva keep it, but there'll be a very sticky situation if they don't. |
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Post by TB123 on Sept 8, 2023 10:25:25 GMT
Inversions count for nothing these days.... You're ranting at a sheet of A4 on display in a bus garage. Yes, because it's lying to staff members? It says it's a tender result when it's not one which is the bottom line. The actual tender result is coming out in a few months and all well and good if Arriva keep it, but there'll be a very sticky situation if they don't. I'm sure if there's any such issues you allege the well-renowned AD Unite branch will have them in hand. |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Sept 8, 2023 10:27:37 GMT
Inversions count for nothing these days.... You're ranting at a sheet of A4 on display in a bus garage. Yes, because it's lying to staff members? It says it's a tender result when it's not one which is the bottom line. The actual tender result is coming out in a few months and all well and good if Arriva keep it, but there'll be a very sticky situation if they don't. Could it be a possibility that that the tender for route SL1 was fast tracked for an early result? Maybe there might be a Superloop themed result today with tender announcements of routes SL2/3/5 as well? |
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 8, 2023 10:28:00 GMT
Inversions count for nothing these days.... You're ranting at a sheet of A4 on display in a bus garage. Yes, because it's lying to staff members? It says it's a tender result when it's not one which is the bottom line. The actual tender result is coming out in a few months and all well and good if Arriva keep it, but there'll be a very sticky situation if they don't. I agree, there will potentially be staff members who read that and plan their immediate futures based on thinking it’s a 5 or 7 years award. Whilst they should seek clarification from their managers the notice is very poorly worded and ultimately is very misleading. It shouldn’t really frame it as a tender award when on the surface and as far as we know it isn’t. Perhaps it is and all will be revealed later. But right now it just seems misleading and could prove problematic if Arrive lose the SL1 in a few months time. |
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 8, 2023 10:31:40 GMT
Overall the Document that information posted on is the usual headed paper for tender announcements within the company do not go start saying well they should have changed it...
To those who are human and have brains mistakes can happen, move on if it was another operator no one would batter and eye lid for this document. The 335 there was actually no official notice ever posted that it was coming to Arriva however it was on the blinds since April 2019 before the 301 started.
I am sure we will find out further details about the SL1. However the SL1 & SL10 are starting before they are officially tendered as TFL want these routes starting as soon as possible. Arguing over it is petty please let’s just move on back to normal discussion. If the SL1 was due to be announced today there is no way this would be public knowledge before 12… this information was posted yesterday on another thread so was already public knowledge.
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 8, 2023 10:40:13 GMT
Arriva has confirmed in a staff notice (headed "tender news") they've been awarded the SL1. Existing buses repainted in Superloop colours with enhancements added to the interior. Wonder if some other tenders shall follow today Well our resident Arriva London North member did heavily hint at some news on the tender front being released this week. We shall find out around midday if this comes to fruition. |
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 8, 2023 10:54:42 GMT
Inversions count for nothing these days.... You're ranting at a sheet of A4 on display in a bus garage. Yes, because it's lying to staff members? It says it's a tender result when it's not one which is the bottom line. The actual tender result is coming out in a few months and all well and good if Arriva keep it, but there'll be a very sticky situation if they don't. Is it wrong though. It is correct to say they have been awarded the contract to operate the SL1. Whether it be a negotiated tender or won via a competitive tender process, they do (seem) to have a contract to operate the SL1 |
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