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Post by enviroPB on Sept 8, 2023 12:26:14 GMT
Overall the Document that information posted on is the usual headed paper for tender announcements within the company do not go start saying well they should have changed it... To those who are human and have brains mistakes can happen, move on if it was another operator no one would batter and eye lid for this document. The 335 there was actually no official notice ever posted that it was coming to Arriva however it was on the blinds since April 2019 before the 301 started. I am sure we will find out further details about the SL1. However the SL1 & SL10 are starting before they are officially tendered as TFL want these routes starting as soon as possible. Arguing over it is petty please let’s just move on back to normal discussion. If the SL1 was due to be announced today there is no way this would be public knowledge before 12… this information was posted yesterday on another thread so was already public knowledge. The 335 was handed to Arriva to compensate for the 48 withdrawal, and was widely reported on here that would be the case. It only makes sense the SL1 and SL10 are run from operators that would face significant cuts from the introduction of these Superloop routes, as wirewiper remarked on yesterday. |
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 8, 2023 13:02:04 GMT
Overall the Document that information posted on is the usual headed paper for tender announcements within the company do not go start saying well they should have changed it... To those who are human and have brains mistakes can happen, move on if it was another operator no one would batter and eye lid for this document. The 335 there was actually no official notice ever posted that it was coming to Arriva however it was on the blinds since April 2019 before the 301 started. I am sure we will find out further details about the SL1. However the SL1 & SL10 are starting before they are officially tendered as TFL want these routes starting as soon as possible. Arguing over it is petty please let’s just move on back to normal discussion. If the SL1 was due to be announced today there is no way this would be public knowledge before 12… this information was posted yesterday on another thread so was already public knowledge. The 335 was handed to Arriva to compensate for the 48 withdrawal, and was widely reported on here that would be the case. It only makes sense the SL1 and SL10 are run from operators that would face significant cuts from the introduction of these Superloop routes, as wirewiper remarked on yesterday. Indeed it was however never officially put on paper like that unless I missed something. The SL1 award is a variation of the 34 contract so it is indeed tender news otherwise it would not be public knowledge already. The SL10 is a also a variation of the 183 contract. |
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Post by HV92 on Sept 8, 2023 13:02:35 GMT
Forgive my ignorance as I’m purely an enthusiast, but do TFL assist bus companies with refurbs or does the bus company actually finance the whole thing?
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 8, 2023 15:03:30 GMT
Were all the superloop routes not meant to use new EVs? They are, or rather they eventually will. The SL8, SL6 and SL7 use standard buses and the SL1 is unlikely to be any different. On their tenders they should all get electrics. I expect the SL2-5 will all get electrics when introduced, and likely the SL1 too once the current 34 contract expires. The SL9/SL10 are electric anyway as a result of the 183/X140 contracts. Presumably the SL6 and SL8 will need electrics when retendered, the SL6 is near the end of the current tender programme, but the SL8 may take longer. With the SL7 having recently been given a one year contract extension, I wonder if that may give enough time for a suitable electric DD to become available? Would EPs like on the 132 not be ok if a pantograph were to installed at either termini? |
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Post by exbox on Sept 8, 2023 16:28:19 GMT
Forgive my ignorance as I’m purely an enthusiast, but do TFL assist bus companies with refurbs or does the bus company actually finance the whole thing? Companies fund the refurbs themselves - if refurbs are needed in order to meet the tender spec then the companies bear the cost. However, in theory buses meeting the tender spec will earn a higher contract price than buses below spec - so ultimately TfL do pay indirectly. |
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 8, 2023 16:50:35 GMT
Forgive my ignorance as I’m purely an enthusiast, but do TFL assist bus companies with refurbs or does the bus company actually finance the whole thing? Companies fund the refurbs themselves - if refurbs are needed in order to meet the tender spec then the companies bear the cost. However, in theory buses meeting the tender spec will earn a higher contract price than buses below spec - so ultimately TfL do pay indirectly. Yes - if the company knows that it will need to pay for refurbishing buses, it will take this into account in its tender price. So it is down to the companies to get their costings right. |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 8, 2023 17:04:21 GMT
Arriva has confirmed in a staff notice (headed "tender news") they've been awarded the SL1. Existing buses repainted in Superloop colours with enhancements added to the interior. Wonder if some other tenders shall follow today Well our resident Arriva London North member did heavily hint at some news on the tender front being released this week. We shall find out around midday if this comes to fruition. I was under the impression operating companies only find out a day or so before they are released here. He usually has an idea of what Arriva have bid for. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2023 17:21:11 GMT
Have the electrification works at TH been completed? I've noticed that their temporary Beddington outstation has seem to reverted to being a base for the driver trainer Ts.
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Post by HV92 on Sept 8, 2023 17:52:33 GMT
Companies fund the refurbs themselves - if refurbs are needed in order to meet the tender spec then the companies bear the cost. However, in theory buses meeting the tender spec will earn a higher contract price than buses below spec - so ultimately TfL do pay indirectly. Yes - if the company knows that it will need to pay for refurbishing buses, it will take this into account in its tender price. So it is down to the companies to get their costings right. Many thanks for replying and answers my curiosity…….. So Arriva are going to part refurb some of their vehicles for SL1 and run the risk of only having the route for a year? That’s what I don’t understand, financially that’s a big risk. And also can the super loop vehicles run on other routes if needed? Why could they just not have blue blinds like the X140 did? |
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 8, 2023 17:58:03 GMT
Yes - if the company knows that it will need to pay for refurbishing buses, it will take this into account in its tender price. So it is down to the companies to get their costings right. Many thanks for replying and answers my curiosity…….. So Arriva are going to part refurb some of their vehicles for SL1 and run the risk of only having the route for a year? That’s what I don’t understand, financially that’s a big risk. And also can the super loop vehicles run on other routes if needed? Why could they just not have blue blinds like the X140 did? I don't know the arrangements here, but if as it appears the SL1 is to be operated as a variation on the 34 contract, Arriva will have negotiated hard. |
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 8, 2023 19:51:03 GMT
Yes - if the company knows that it will need to pay for refurbishing buses, it will take this into account in its tender price. So it is down to the companies to get their costings right. Many thanks for replying and answers my curiosity…….. So Arriva are going to part refurb some of their vehicles for SL1 and run the risk of only having the route for a year? That’s what I don’t understand, financially that’s a big risk. And also can the super loop vehicles run on other routes if needed? Why could they just not have blue blinds like the X140 did? Doubt it is a risk at all, as sure the cost will have been negotiated in. Generally if the customer wants something, the customer pays. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 8, 2023 19:57:05 GMT
Many thanks for replying and answers my curiosity…….. So Arriva are going to part refurb some of their vehicles for SL1 and run the risk of only having the route for a year? That’s what I don’t understand, financially that’s a big risk. And also can the super loop vehicles run on other routes if needed? Why could they just not have blue blinds like the X140 did? Doubt it is a risk at all, as sure the cost will have been negotiated in. Generally if the customer wants something, the customer pays. I wonder what the upgrade to the interiors would be? Phone chargers I would imagine. I can't see them putting in high back seats of re doing the floors. |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 8, 2023 20:18:56 GMT
Doubt it is a risk at all, as sure the cost will have been negotiated in. Generally if the customer wants something, the customer pays. I wonder what the upgrade to the interiors would be? Phone chargers I would imagine. I can't see them putting in high back seats of re doing the floors. I guess we'll have to wait and see what actually happens like the luggage racks for the SL7/X26, if TfL want them presumably they'll foot the bill? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2023 20:34:12 GMT
Doubt it is a risk at all, as sure the cost will have been negotiated in. Generally if the customer wants something, the customer pays. I wonder what the upgrade to the interiors would be? Phone chargers I would imagine. I can't see them putting in high back seats of re doing the floors. Most likely just USB Ports, it's supposed to be a standard with all Superloop routes. Not sure how true the following is, but thought I would share it here: |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 8, 2023 20:41:41 GMT
I wonder what the upgrade to the interiors would be? Phone chargers I would imagine. I can't see them putting in high back seats of re doing the floors. Most likely just USB Ports, it's supposed to be a standard with all Superloop routes. Not sure how true the following is, but thought I would share it here: I'm a bit surprised they're as angry as it seems, AD and WN are quite close distance wise. Is there a change in the car park situation between the two garages? |
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