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Post by greenboy on Sept 13, 2023 21:22:51 GMT
I wonder if the upcoming Croydon tranches don't go Arriva's way, would Croydon (TC) garage be at risk of being sold? If the 194/250/255/289/627 are all lost (I expect the 410 to be retained with the existing SLS's) then everything at TC could easily fit into TH and N. TH has had chargers installed for the 64/612 so there shouldn't be any risk to it (I'm aware there are chargers at TC for the 312 but they are old technology now) and the 312 is being extended to Purley Old Lodge Lane so the facility to turn the route there will also no longer be needed. Possibly, clearly there would be a lot of spare capacity and BN and TH should be safe because they are electrified. |
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Post by TB123 on Sept 13, 2023 21:24:00 GMT
I wonder if the upcoming Croydon tranches don't go Arriva's way, would Croydon (TC) garage be at risk of being sold? If the 194/250/255/289/627 are all lost (I expect the 410 to be retained with the existing SLS's) then everything at TC could easily fit into TH and N. TH has had chargers installed for the 64/612 so there shouldn't be any risk to it (I'm aware there are chargers at TC for the 312 but they are old technology now) and the 312 is being extended to Purley Old Lodge Lane so the facility to turn the route there will also no longer be needed. Interestingly I think Arriva’s Croydon routes are actually the safest, not for the reason I think they’ll be really competitive, but moreso that the competition won’t have space for all of them. GAL are now chocca in all of south London, ditto Abellio. The only TC route I could maybe see going is the 194 over to Stagecoach, but I think the rest will be pretty safe There has been some ominous hints dropped about the 250, mind...still space for both operators mentioned with reshuffles. I hope the Arriva stuff is retained. Although wouldn't surprise me, like you, if 194 returned to Stagecoach. |
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 13, 2023 22:08:54 GMT
Interestingly I think Arriva’s Croydon routes are actually the safest, not for the reason I think they’ll be really competitive, but moreso that the competition won’t have space for all of them. GAL are now chocca in all of south London, ditto Abellio. The only TC route I could maybe see going is the 194 over to Stagecoach, but I think the rest will be pretty safe There has been some ominous hints dropped about the 250, mind...still space for both operators mentioned with reshuffles. I hope the Arriva stuff is retained. Although wouldn't surprise me, like you, if 194 returned to Stagecoach. Omnious hints about the 250? |
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Post by tooting395 on Sept 14, 2023 14:13:47 GMT
There has been some ominous hints dropped about the 250, mind...still space for both operators mentioned with reshuffles. I hope the Arriva stuff is retained. Although wouldn't surprise me, like you, if 194 returned to Stagecoach. Omnious hints about the 250? I wonder whether Arriva had a bit of bad luck with the spread of some of their garages. Atleast in South London a lot of their garages are concentrated in Croydon and Lambeth and not very spread out. I can't personally see Arriva closing South Croydon garage though. It is interesting in a way that C and BC are essentially situated where CN used to be and have taken enough work from Arriva since they opened to close CN and shrink their footprint from the other Croydon garages. |
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Post by HV92 on Sept 14, 2023 18:43:00 GMT
HV191- Back on the road after 3 months
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Post by TB123 on Sept 15, 2023 21:43:03 GMT
Arriva are planning to introduce changes to starter rates and T&Cs in October at all legacy garages (not Dartford or Grays)
The letter mentions how the legacy conditions of old agreements have caused difficulties with tenders and so on.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 16, 2023 0:14:39 GMT
Arriva are planning to introduce changes to starter rates and T&Cs in October at all legacy garages (not Dartford or Grays) The letter mentions how the legacy conditions of old agreements have caused difficulties with tenders and so on. It is similar to what has happened recently with the loss of a few routes. Drivers on the 340, 325, 78, 133, 333 (and now 242) have been told they are all to be TUPE transferred with the route. if they want to stay with the company they MUST sign a new contract with different terms and conditions which would ultimately see them earning less money if they do rest days, overtime etc. This has not gone down well at all. There was a vote about 2 weeks ago and IIRC the union is pushing for industrial action. The amount of times new starter rates has changed with all the companies over the years is a joke. |
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Post by HV92 on Sept 16, 2023 10:15:40 GMT
SW8 still at AD this morning
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2023 21:29:23 GMT
T11 has been withdrawn from service and replaced by T7 |
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 17, 2023 21:37:08 GMT
Arriva are planning to introduce changes to starter rates and T&Cs in October at all legacy garages (not Dartford or Grays) The letter mentions how the legacy conditions of old agreements have caused difficulties with tenders and so on. It is similar to what has happened recently with the loss of a few routes. Drivers on the 340, 325, 78, 133, 333 (and now 242) have been told they are all to be TUPE transferred with the route. if they want to stay with the company they MUST sign a new contract with different terms and conditions which would ultimately see them earning less money if they do rest days, overtime etc. This has not gone down well at all. There was a vote about 2 weeks ago and IIRC the union is pushing for industrial action. The amount of times new starter rates has changed with all the companies over the years is a joke. This is a textbook way of taking your hand out of the lions mouth, and putting your head in instead! What a way to treat your loyal drivers who have been with the company for a long time who are inevitably going to be in those high pay bands. Either p-off with the route or stay with us and have your pay slashed! Looks like disgraceful behaviour tbh |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 17, 2023 21:45:14 GMT
It is similar to what has happened recently with the loss of a few routes. Drivers on the 340, 325, 78, 133, 333 (and now 242) have been told they are all to be TUPE transferred with the route. if they want to stay with the company they MUST sign a new contract with different terms and conditions which would ultimately see them earning less money if they do rest days, overtime etc. This has not gone down well at all. There was a vote about 2 weeks ago and IIRC the union is pushing for industrial action. The amount of times new starter rates has changed with all the companies over the years is a joke. This is a textbook way of taking your hand out of the lions mouth, and putting your head in instead! What a way to treat your loyal drivers who have been with the company for a long time who are inevitably going to be in those high pay bands. Either p-off with the route or stay with us and have your pay slashed! Looks like disgraceful behaviour tbh Well something has to give! If the company keep the drivers on at the current pay rate they will eventually not have enough work for them and ultimately end up losing their job with Arriva anyway. They are better off taking the TUPE and going elsewhere instead of having to start again as a new employee. |
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Post by HV92 on Sept 18, 2023 7:37:58 GMT
SW3 back in regular service at AD on the 329, who knows what the future is for the SW’s!
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Post by cl54 on Sept 18, 2023 7:42:22 GMT
It is similar to what has happened recently with the loss of a few routes. Drivers on the 340, 325, 78, 133, 333 (and now 242) have been told they are all to be TUPE transferred with the route. if they want to stay with the company they MUST sign a new contract with different terms and conditions which would ultimately see them earning less money if they do rest days, overtime etc. This has not gone down well at all. There was a vote about 2 weeks ago and IIRC the union is pushing for industrial action. The amount of times new starter rates has changed with all the companies over the years is a joke. This is a textbook way of taking your hand out of the lions mouth, and putting your head in instead! What a way to treat your loyal drivers who have been with the company for a long time who are inevitably going to be in those high pay bands. Either p-off with the route or stay with us and have your pay slashed! Looks like disgraceful behaviour tbh If you are a regular driver on a route that has been lost you have to accept TUPE with contract terms maintained for 6 months. |
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 18, 2023 7:55:41 GMT
This is a textbook way of taking your hand out of the lions mouth, and putting your head in instead! What a way to treat your loyal drivers who have been with the company for a long time who are inevitably going to be in those high pay bands. Either p-off with the route or stay with us and have your pay slashed! Looks like disgraceful behaviour tbh If you are a regular driver on a route that has been lost you have to accept TUPE with contract terms maintained for 6 months. So I’ll take the 150 as we know from reliable sources it has some high paid drivers: If the 150 is lost to another operator and said high paid drivers TUPE across to the new operator, they stand to have their pay slashed after 6 months at their new company? |
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 18, 2023 8:05:48 GMT
If you are a regular driver on a route that has been lost you have to accept TUPE with contract terms maintained for 6 months. So I’ll take the 150 as we know from reliable sources it has some high paid drivers: If the 150 is lost to another operator and said high paid drivers TUPE across to the new operator, they stand to have their pay slashed after 6 months at their new company? TUPE is part of the contracted services market, something the unions fought hard for. Legally there is no option. If you are caught by TUPE (over 50% of you work is on said contract(s)), your role and job should transfer, but as you know we seen little compliance with this in the London bus industry. If that was to happen it would be disgraceful behaviour by the winning company, do you not agree? |
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