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Post by DE20106 on Oct 20, 2023 16:10:43 GMT
I assume the ES allocations will be as follows: ES51-83 (279) ES84-113 (243) ES114-130 (50) ES131-146 (194) ES147-170 (250) ES171 (689) ES172-188 (289) ES189 (663) This is obviously banking on the assumption all these routes will get ES It's a big order so Arriva London may dual-source and order some vehicles from ADL, or possibly even Volvo. I do hope there’ll be a bit of dual sourcing for this big order, quite contrary to GAL’s recent strategy. ADL I’m not sure about due to the huge wait times, they have ordered a lot from Volvo (but that may be because they like Wrightbus) so I think there’s a good chance they might go to them for some vehicles. I’ve been on the Volvo BZL DD’s in Cambridge, while not blown away, I did love the bright interior layout with its big windows, so I think the Arriva interior will suit it fantastically. I’m gonna put it out there I think the 255’s order will be 10.2 BZL single deckers. If not that then 10.2 MetroCities. (For the same reason above I don’t think they’ll go ADL)
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 20, 2023 16:22:45 GMT
On an interesting side note, I would heavily suspect the 289 getting new buses next will see its newer ENXs sent to the B15, to dispose of its ghastly 09-reg counterparts
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Oct 20, 2023 16:24:45 GMT
Is there a reason Arriva don’t use that Beddington outstation to win work? Or to move stuff into in order to make space at TH when it has been needed?
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 20, 2023 16:25:23 GMT
I assume the ES allocations will be as follows: ES51-83 (279) ES84-113 (243) ES114-130 (50) ES131-146 (194) ES147-170 (250) ES171 (689) ES172-188 (289) ES189 (663) This is obviously banking on the assumption all these routes will get ES It's a big order so Arriva London may dual-source and order some vehicles from ADL, or possibly even Volvo. It would make sense to stick with ESs for the TH routes for a common fleet with the 64 (and similarly for the 279 at E. But they could go for a different type for the 243, or any future tenders?
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Post by greenboy on Oct 20, 2023 16:40:05 GMT
Is there a reason Arriva don’t use that Beddington outstation to win work? Or to move stuff into in order to make space at TH when it has been needed? It was in use when electrification work was going on at TH but I guess they have no need to use it at the moment?
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Oct 20, 2023 16:44:56 GMT
Is there a reason Arriva don’t use that Beddington outstation to win work? Or to move stuff into in order to make space at TH when it has been needed? It was in use when electrification work was going on at TH but I guess they have no need to use it at the moment? For example, when they intended to move the 50 into TH and 410 to TC, why didn’t they just park 410s at the outstation with 50 in TH rather than moving the 410 operation to TC
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Post by greenboy on Oct 20, 2023 16:47:08 GMT
It was in use when electrification work was going on at TH but I guess they have no need to use it at the moment? For example, when they intended to move the 50 into TH and 410 to TC, why didn’t they just park 410s at the outstation with 50 in TH rather than moving the 410 operation to TC I don't know and I assume the 50 is now staying at BN following the loss of the 133 and 333? BN is surely the best garage for the 50 anyway?
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 20, 2023 17:01:00 GMT
It's a big order so Arriva London may dual-source and order some vehicles from ADL, or possibly even Volvo. It would make sense to stick with ESs for the TH routes for a common fleet with the 64 (and similarly for the 279 at E. But they could go for a different type for the 243, or any future tenders? By that logic though they should have ordered more EAs for the 417 to match with the 319’s, but they didn’t so they’re clearly not afraid of more than one EV type at the same garage. All EV buses use the same chargers now anyway so it’s not really any different to having a multiple diesel/hybrid types at the same garage
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Post by sam97 on Oct 20, 2023 17:10:54 GMT
It's a big order so Arriva London may dual-source and order some vehicles from ADL, or possibly even Volvo. It would make sense to stick with ESs for the TH routes for a common fleet with the 64 (and similarly for the 279 at E. But they could go for a different type for the 243, or any future tenders? They can all still have ES’s seeing all routes (minus 663) are retained so if delivery is late they could continue with current vehicles until ES’s arrive
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Oct 20, 2023 17:14:47 GMT
It would make sense to stick with ESs for the TH routes for a common fleet with the 64 (and similarly for the 279 at E. But they could go for a different type for the 243, or any future tenders? They can all still have ES’s seeing all routes (minus 663) are retained so if delivery is late they could continue with current vehicles until ES’s arrive 663 too can just use Ts as I’m quite sure they all still have 663 on them, unless N250 was stuck over 663
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Post by vjaska on Oct 20, 2023 18:18:42 GMT
On an interesting side note, I would heavily suspect the 289 getting new buses next will see its newer ENXs sent to the B15, to dispose of its ghastly 09-reg counterparts DT wouldn’t be happy receiving them, they’re just as terrible - whoever gets the two 67 reg ENX’s will likely be happy though
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 20, 2023 18:38:43 GMT
It was in use when electrification work was going on at TH but I guess they have no need to use it at the moment? For example, when they intended to move the 50 into TH and 410 to TC, why didn’t they just park 410s at the outstation with 50 in TH rather than moving the 410 operation to TC In relation to the 410 it has always made sense to use N as an Outstation as the 157 & 410 drivers share ferry vehicles occasionally to TH. Moving the route to TC now makes sense not N unlikely it would move there because it will be very one ended. The 410 will convert to SLSs displaced from the 450 the rest not required are likely to be withdrawn.
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 20, 2023 18:40:58 GMT
They can all still have ES’s seeing all routes (minus 663) are retained so if delivery is late they could continue with current vehicles until ES’s arrive 663 too can just use Ts as I’m quite sure they all still have 663 on them, unless N250 was stuck over 663 Or an ES from the 64 until its official allocation arrives the good thing about Electric blinds a quick update. In addition I would not be surprised if some spare blinds with 663 are still in storage somewhere.
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Oct 20, 2023 18:42:21 GMT
663 too can just use Ts as I’m quite sure they all still have 663 on them, unless N250 was stuck over 663 Or an ES from the 64 until its official allocation arrives the good thing about Electric blinds a quick update. In addition I would not be surprised if some spare blinds with 663 are still in storage somewhere. I was just about to say 663 can just use a spare ES from the 64 as it only requires one bus
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Post by cybermike137 on Oct 20, 2023 18:42:49 GMT
663 too can just use Ts as I’m quite sure they all still have 663 on them, unless N250 was stuck over 663 Or an ES from the 64 until its official allocation arrives the good thing about Electric blinds a quick update. In addition I would not be surprised if some spare blinds with 663 are still in storage somewhere. As a driver at TH, I am very happy with the results with the garage becoming completely electric, yes our T buses all still have 663 blinds so they can be used no problem
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