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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2023 21:43:08 GMT
Assume so. 198 & 410 to TC with 50 & 194 to TH seems obvious. Everything is hear say, at the moment all that is known is 410 is moving to TC that is it. TH is not getting 50 or 194, 198 is not moving to TC Why would Arriva publicly state Thornton Heath is converting to a fully electric garage then?
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Post by cybermike137 on Nov 8, 2023 21:43:30 GMT
Everything is hear say, at the moment all that is known is 410 is moving to TC that is it. TH is not getting 50 or 194, 198 is not moving to TC So in that case, if TH is going to be fully electric then the 198 must be getting electrics. And the 50 is surely better staying at BN anyway. I should have said that the 50 may be moving, no one knows, it is all speculation. At the moment all we know is the 410 is moving to TC. I'm sure more news will come out in the next few months, I may be wrong
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 8, 2023 22:15:40 GMT
Again…why cause it passes TH’s doorstep? I personally don’t see TC struggling with it (if it is to move there). Whilst it looks good on paper an all electric garage I can't really see why TC can't be done now for the 194 as by 2025 the 60, 166 and 412 and potentially 466 (if it dosent get an extension) will need new buses. Equally if they were to electrify the main part of BN, it might put them in a better position to bid for routes like the 109/118/355 which are up soon. Also on the topic of fully electric garages, I wonder why RATP changed their original plan for Shepherds Bush to be 100% EVs?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 8, 2023 22:29:15 GMT
Sometimes the entire system can go down and no buses are trackable as we all know… As stated above there are no 196 schedules on iBus at the moment nothing will show up until it is uploaded end of discussion. I believe the system you are on about tracks the GPS probably on a different system. People will still wait for the service it is still running like when there was no tracking information whatsoever… What is done is done now and will be fixed in due course… overall no point getting worked up over it and loosing sleep because no one cares the problem is probably already being addressed. 196 still not showing on iBus ... Not good enough in this day and age. Could you imagine a supermarket saying we have issues with ordering fruit and veg on line, we will have it fixed in a fortnight, in the meantime you can go to the shop to buy your fruit and veg like you did 10-15 years ago? How would that be looked at? Why should it be acceptable for customer service in the public transport to be so pee poor in comparison. Customers should expect a half decent level of customer service whatever the industry. I worked in IT for years. If we screwed up on a public facing system, even for a couple of hours, there was hell to pay. You had to fix it, even if it meant rolling back a change, which was a massive matter. Seemingly in TfL they don't give a toss. There needs to be a change management process for iBus screw ups like this, so non scheduled updates can be made. If operators fault, they pay a fine to cover the cost. TfLs fault, they absorb the cost. Into the second week, 'is probably already being addressed' does not cut it! It seems that many of those that work in the industry think it is acceptable to offer a substandard service, the public should accept a substandard service, which just sums up all that is bad in the public transport industry in the UK. Why should we accept crap? The problem is many of the software and servers are out of date. Everything has been patched up over the past few years due to ibus mk2 which still has not come out due to funding.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 8, 2023 22:30:56 GMT
Armchair talk as usual if it bothers you that much complain to TFL and explain you worked in IT and they will not bother responding… Likelihood It will be working on Friday or Saturday as the 363 changes operator. Find something better to do nobody actually cares on here might sound harsh but your comments will not change a thing… It’s been reported a few times Actually I think many people would care, when you spend hundreds of pounds a month on travel the least you'd expect are the basics to work. If TfL don't respond and you take them to Travelwatch they'd be in a lot of trouble. Complaining in a lot of cases does actually get stuff done. bahahaha, TfL would be in a lot of trouble??? That is comedy gold. They have no fear of London Travelwatch, they are like a wolf with no teeth.
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Post by richard on Nov 9, 2023 2:30:18 GMT
I thought the 50 will be moving to TC?
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 9, 2023 5:05:31 GMT
196 still not showing on iBus ... Not good enough in this day and age. Could you imagine a supermarket saying we have issues with ordering fruit and veg on line, we will have it fixed in a fortnight, in the meantime you can go to the shop to buy your fruit and veg like you did 10-15 years ago? How would that be looked at? Why should it be acceptable for customer service in the public transport to be so pee poor in comparison. Customers should expect a half decent level of customer service whatever the industry. I worked in IT for years. If we screwed up on a public facing system, even for a couple of hours, there was hell to pay. You had to fix it, even if it meant rolling back a change, which was a massive matter. Seemingly in TfL they don't give a toss. There needs to be a change management process for iBus screw ups like this, so non scheduled updates can be made. If operators fault, they pay a fine to cover the cost. TfLs fault, they absorb the cost. Into the second week, 'is probably already being addressed' does not cut it! It seems that many of those that work in the industry think it is acceptable to offer a substandard service, the public should accept a substandard service, which just sums up all that is bad in the public transport industry in the UK. Why should we accept crap? The problem is many of the software and servers are out of date. Everything has been patched up over the past few years due to ibus mk2 which still has not come out due to funding. I bet the Laserjet M775 MFPs I installed are still there the ones at Cockfosters depot packed up years ago, like EN13's blindset There's too many departments to go through to log calls no doubt, I've seen stuff that's been out of action for weeks, usually because they don't want to pay the quote to repair out of warranty kit... they will just send stuff to the printers that are still working For instance TfL ads could be in other fonts apart from New Johnston... and the ones for electric buses that are Zero Emission at the tailpipe (when they don't have exhaust pipes) just winds me up It's good to see a slight improvement with more LED blinded buses coming through (though odd to see Stagecoach making a return to SmartBlinds for their Electroliners), but yeah Countdown needs replacing. I use LVF which is fairly reliable, or the traditional if-theres-lots-at-the- stop-a-bus-is-coming method
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 9, 2023 8:02:47 GMT
They wouldn’t win 194 on an electric basis, and then send its buses to 198 and give 194 hybrids, just to make TH fully electric. It’s either 198 moves out to TC or remains an anomaly at TH cybermike137 said the 198 isn't moving to TC, anyway we'll just have to wait and see what happens. We will just have to wait and see does not matter what has been said. When the company notice came out I mentioned that it is likely to happen as it clearly states TH to become fully Electric the 410 is going to TC 198 nothing mentioned yet. If TH is to become fully Electric the 198 will definitely move out. Overall there most likely will be some sort of reshuffle coming up across Arriva London South because of the losses at BN and recent tender results. Putting Electrics on the 198 will not happen as the 194 contract is to be fully Electric. In addition TC already has Electrical infrastructure for the 312. Overall from an operational point of view housing all the ESs at TH actually make sense.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 9, 2023 8:11:33 GMT
Whilst it looks good on paper an all electric garage I can't really see why TC can't be done now for the 194 as by 2025 the 60, 166 and 412 and potentially 466 (if it dosent get an extension) will need new buses. Equally if they were to electrify the main part of BN, it might put them in a better position to bid for routes like the 109/118/355 which are up soon. Also on the topic of fully electric garages, I wonder why RATP changed their original plan for Shepherds Bush to be 100% EVs? Probably the fact the 148 is best operated out of S meant it wasn't possible at the time. Last tender they would have probably had to be competitive to compete with operators at the Camberwell end of the route.
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 9, 2023 8:12:56 GMT
I thought the 50 will be moving to TC? The 50 was never moving to TC. Originally to make room for the 417 the 50 was to move to TH & 410 Route TC. Seems this is back again and the final plan for these routes.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 9, 2023 10:53:42 GMT
10/12 vehicles currently shown as on the 307 are ES. Enfield finally seems to be progressing. Now turn attention to TH and the 64. Could we also see the EMNs at E this year ... maybe now.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 9, 2023 10:54:33 GMT
196 still not showing on iBus ... Not good enough in this day and age. Could you imagine a supermarket saying we have issues with ordering fruit and veg on line, we will have it fixed in a fortnight, in the meantime you can go to the shop to buy your fruit and veg like you did 10-15 years ago? How would that be looked at? Why should it be acceptable for customer service in the public transport to be so pee poor in comparison. Customers should expect a half decent level of customer service whatever the industry. I worked in IT for years. If we screwed up on a public facing system, even for a couple of hours, there was hell to pay. You had to fix it, even if it meant rolling back a change, which was a massive matter. Seemingly in TfL they don't give a toss. There needs to be a change management process for iBus screw ups like this, so non scheduled updates can be made. If operators fault, they pay a fine to cover the cost. TfLs fault, they absorb the cost. Into the second week, 'is probably already being addressed' does not cut it! It seems that many of those that work in the industry think it is acceptable to offer a substandard service, the public should accept a substandard service, which just sums up all that is bad in the public transport industry in the UK. Why should we accept crap? The problem is many of the software and servers are out of date. Everything has been patched up over the past few years due to ibus mk2 which still has not come out due to funding. If that's the case it is bad management.
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Post by adl on Nov 9, 2023 12:51:15 GMT
Of course speculation on my part, I wonder if the 289 could convert to DD early as such when the 157 leaves or when the W3/279s Ts become available early next year which in turn releases ENXs the 61 reg/couple of 12 reg could convert the 166 fully to ENX operation, the rest of the 12 reg batch to the B15 and was thinking the 2 MMCs could end up at GY for the 347/375.
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 9, 2023 13:02:06 GMT
Of course speculation on my part, I wonder if the 289 could convert to DD early as such when the 157 leaves or when the W3/279s Ts become available early next year which in turn releases ENXs the 61 reg/couple of 12 reg could convert the 166 fully to ENX operation, the rest of the 12 reg batch to the B15 and was thinking the 2 MMCs could end up at GY for the 347/375. Or Ts from the 64 could be used if it converts soon. The ex-289 ENXs might also be suitable for an SL5 bid?
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 9, 2023 15:07:10 GMT
Of course speculation on my part, I wonder if the 289 could convert to DD early as such when the 157 leaves or when the W3/279s Ts become available early next year which in turn releases ENXs the 61 reg/couple of 12 reg could convert the 166 fully to ENX operation, the rest of the 12 reg batch to the B15 and was thinking the 2 MMCs could end up at GY for the 347/375. I wouldn’t be surprised if this happened too however I believe the leased T98-109 will probably be withdrawn with immediate effect. When the 64 goes Electric using those DDs to convert the 289 would make more sense as they are already fitted with blinds. As for the ENXs I can see them being spread out amongst the 166 & B15 I doubt the MMCs will end up at GY especially as the 347 is up for withdrawal they’ll probably end up on the 166.
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